It's not a caravan at the border, it's an invasion

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Any sort of comparison with the documentary just put out yesterday called "borderless"?


Has nearly a half million views in less then a day being up, somewhat long but folks are raving about it, I need to watch this when I have more data usage left, haven't yet, but looks good.
 
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"Aaahhh! They're coming! And they're working and building the economy and lowering the crime rate! The sky is falling! Ahhhhhhh!"

And now a message from the American people...
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Until the late 1800s, America had open borders. It's the society set up by the men who founded America. I'd say they did pretty well, wouldn't you?

Yes, they did, I agree. However, if you'll notice the word use, it is past tense.

I really have no problem, under different circumstances, of people coming here.

I am really puzzled that people cannot see we are overextended. Is it not prudent to "get your house in order" before you can go around doing things you know you shouldn't/can't do? Because lets face it, the USA needs to get its affairs in order and its priorities straightened out before we can start helping others right now.

Also, the term "illegal" implies that a law is broken. Why do I wish for someone to come over here, break the laws set in place, and still receive free care and entitlements on my dime? It perplexes me to no end why people would defend this group of people. It shows a lack of respect for the laws set in place, and therefore a lack of respect toward the actual native citizens and law abiding future citizens going through the process the right way.

Lastly, the people crossing now, are demanding us let them in. They are not asking. They are not willing to go through the proper process, they are demanding we let them in. I don't take kindly to this, and again, this shows a lack of respect as well.

I really do not see that people enter this country anymore because its the "land of opportunity".

They enter in because they know they can take advantage of us, and the way our system works. And why not? Free stuff at the expense of the tax payer.


Perhaps you should read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as Gibbon wrote, "the innocent barbarians" were not the cause of Rome's decline. Indeed, barbarians spent a good deal of effort propping the decaying system up.

I dont recall saying it was the ONLY reason the Roman empire fell. However, they are a good deal of a reason as to the aiding of the fall. I haven't read Gibbon's book, but I have read enough throughout my life to speak on this subject.

Here's some useful advice:

Hmmm....

Not afraid of other Americans: Check. Why would I be?

Not afraid of other Religions: Check. They are entitled to believe what they wish right?

Not afraid of other Classes: Check. Rich do not bother me. Poor don't bother me. Middle class doesn't bother me. Different skin color doesn't bother me. Cool, I follow this.

Not afraid of Speaking Out: Check. Otherwise, I wouldn't login here. Nor would I step foot into public if that was the case. So I suppose I follow this too. Awesome.

Looks to me sir, like I already do these things.

In fact, immigrants today enrich America as they always have. Reagan's description of America as a "shining city on a hill" where refugees become prosperous Americans remains a fact.

Agreed. However, Reagan is speaking of people serious in coming here, respecting our laws (illegal immigrant says a lot, ILLEGALLY here), following the system set in place and capable of composing themselves so that they can one day stand on their own financially etc., integrating into an American way of things, I could go on, but the point is made.

The people entering now are taking advantage of our generosity. No desire to improve when things are free. Demanding we let them in. Showing no respect for our American way of things and not integrating but demanding we integrate with them and their way of things. The ones in illegally obviously show their contempt toward us.
 
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Yes, they did, I agree. However, if you'll notice the word use, it is past tense.

That's usually how it is with people who died a long time ago. For reasons that are obvious. If anyone supposes that human nature has changed significantly in that time, I'd be pleased to look at their evidence.

I really have no problem, under different circumstances, of people coming here.

Given the undeniable benefits we get, I'd say that the law needs fixing, um?

I am really puzzled that people cannot see we are overextended.

If we were, there wouldn't be a market for immigrant labor. In a socialist economy, the government decides. Here, each of us acts in his or her own economic interest. Turns out, that works better than anything anyone else has figured out.

Is it not prudent to "get your house in order" before you can go around doing things you know you shouldn't/can't do? Because lets face it, the USA needs to get its affairs in order and its priorities straightened out before we can start helping others right now.

As you see, they're helping us. We aren't doing them a favor by letting them work; they're doing us a favor by adding to our economy. As Ronald Reagan said, "a rising tide raises all boats."

Also, the term "illegal" implies that a law is broken.

Yes. The law is acting contrary to the public good. That happens sometimes. The answer isn't crack down on those libertarians who don't like the law; it's to change the law so that it does benefit the public good.

Why do I wish for someone to come over here, break the laws set in place, and still receive free care and entitlements on my dime?

As you know, that's not what illegal aliens do. They pay for entitlements like Social Security, but most of them will never see a penny of it. We're getting free entitlements on their dimes.

It perplexes me to no end why people would defend this group of people.

They work hard, build our economy, rarely cause anyone any harm, and are generally very good people. I would think conservatives would like them. They did, in Reagan's time, but in the age of Trump, those virtues are politically incorrect, it seems. At least as far as Trump and his kind are concerned.

I really do not see that people enter this country anymore because its the "land of opportunity".

If so, you don't know them. They have completely bought into the American Dream. They don't want to change this country; they just want to take part in it as it is.

It's a common superstition on the right that they take more than they produce for us. But that's been repeatedly debunked.

Several years ago, a republican Texas comptroller showed that Texas made about $18 billion a year on them. Would you like to see that?
 
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Agreed. However, Reagan is speaking of people serious in coming here, respecting our laws
The people entering now are taking advantage of our generosity. No desire to improve when things are free. Demanding we let them in. Showing no respect for our American way of things and not integrating but demanding we integrate with them and their way of things. The ones in illegally obviously show their contempt toward us.

That is exactly true and the Americans that are turning a blind eye to these facts oh have mercy on them for their great-great grandchildren will remember who made the grave mistake.

Here in California we have all the farmworkers we need. They come here with legal permits work approximately six months out of the year and then go back to their home towns in Mexico and live very well and then coming back the next year to do it again. I see bus fulls of these every year out in the desert picking our grapefruits and oranges.

They consider their country Mexico.
Good for them.



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That is exactly true and the Americans that are turning a blind eye to these facts oh have mercy on them for their great-great grandchildren will remember who made the grave mistake.

That's what no-nothings have always said. And they are always wrong. Each wave of migration has its nativists screaming that the sky is falling. They are always wrong.
 
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I would also add that the USA is the richest country in the world, it is therefore the USA's duty to help those less fortunate.

It is said that we do more than our fair share?

China's economy is close to the United States now, yet they do not do one tenth of what we do to bring the gospel, feed the hungry in the world, educate them etc etc..

People that complain might want to start with sponsoring some hungry children in other countries. We have a few -- very rewarding.
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