International standard recognizes Sunday as the 7th day of the week...

mmksparbud said:

He rose on the 1st day of the week---which is Sunday and your post says it was Sunday---not Monday.

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I think people generally agree he rose on Sunday, even though we can't know that for sure since we were not there. I think that also has something to do with why we worship on Sunday too, even though that may not be the whole reason. If he did rise on Sunday though, in order for the scripture about Jonah to be true, which I believe it is, he would have had to have died and been buried on Thursday. But I do not want to keep repeating myself. To each his own. Can we agree to disagree?

Itxs

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Raised ON THE 3RD DAY....SUNDAY. Friday in the tomb...day 1...Saturday...day 2...Sunday...day 3. raised on the 3rd day. The witnesses on the road to Emmaus, if you know anything regarding Judaism, were there for a reason and the story there for a reason. They said it was now the 3rd day since the events occurred...Sunday was the 3rd day, Saturday was the 2nd day and Friday was the day those events occurred.

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Jesus said as Jonah was in the tomb, 3 days and 3 nights, so would he be. Again, if he rose on Sunday he was not in the tomb Sunday night.
You have every right to your opinion, as do I. We are going in circles, so I am done now. Arguing is unproductive. God bless you.

Robin Mauro said:

But you are assuming you know which day of the week was the seventh day, way back when God created the world. Again, the Bible does not specify days

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Seems like God and the Jews certainly still knew which day it was for He again did not give manna on the 7th day which throughout time has been what is now called Saturday and the manna was before the 10 commandments were given at Mt. Zion. The bible certainly does specify days---they were numbered 1-7. It is man that labeled them by other names--the days have remained the same.

Robin Mauro said:

I think people generally agree he rose on Sunday, even though we can't know that for sure since we were not there. I think that also has something to do with why we worship on Sunday too, even though that may not be the whole reason. If he did rise on Sunday though, in order for the scripture about Jonah to be true, which I believe it is, he would have had to have died and been buried on Thursday. But I do not want to keep repeating myself. To each his own. Can we agree to disagree?

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You do have understand that any part of a new day was considered a whole day. Sunday though He rose early on that day was considered a whole day, the 3rd day. Fri.when He died before sunset, was one day--Saturday, one day. and Sunday, one day--3rd day. You can not count the days by modern ways--this is Jewish customs, not our modern day ones.

mmksparbud said:

You do have understand that any part of a new day was considered a whole day. Sunday though He rose early on that day was considered a whole day, the 3rd day. Fri.when He died before sunset, was one day--Saturday, one day. and Sunday, one day--3rd day. You can not count the days by modern ways--this is Jewish customs, not our modern day ones.

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How is it you still have not addressed Jesus himself saying specifically that he would be 3 days And Nights in the tomb?
I do not need you to agree with me. But you have not convinced me either. So be it. Let it be.

Robin Mauro said:

Itxs

Jesus said as Jonah was in the tomb, 3 days and 3 nights, so would he be. Again, if he rose on Sunday he was not in the tomb Sunday night.
You have every right to your opinion, as do I. We are going in circles, so I am done now. Arguing is unproductive. God bless you.

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He did not need to be in the tomb Sunday night (that would actually have been Monday)...

Robin Mauro said:

How is it you still have not addressed Jesus himself saying specifically that he would be 3 days And Nights in the tomb?
I do not need you to agree with me. But you have not convinced me either. So be it. Let it be.

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We have addressed it, you simply do not accept and continue to have Scripture state contradictory things.
When something is referred to as the whole of something, you have a pretty big clue that a figure of speech is being used.

Mark 1:5

Matthew 2:3

Jesus refers to the sign of Jonah being 3 days and 3 nights, the day and night being a "whole" of 24 hours, so there is your clue right there.
The second clue is Jewish cultural understanding, which Yeshua HaDerekh posted in post #90.
The third clue is that if you do not recognise "3 days and 3 nights" as idiom, then you have Jesus making contradictory statements. Jesus is recorded telling His disciples multiple times that He would be killed and that He would rise on the third day, whereas the sign of Jonah is recorded once.
The disciples on the road to Emmaus confirm that Jesus did indeed rise on the third day, not after 3 days and 3 nights, and Paul confirms the same in his first letter to the Corinthians.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

He did not need to be in the tomb Sunday night (that would actually have been Monday)...

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That makes no sense, namely, "he did not need to be in the tomb..,"
Jesus said it. Either you believe him or you don't.. Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights make 3 nights, then he rose on Sunday. If he rose on Sunday, and what he said was true, which I believe it was, then he had to have been buried on Thursday.

prodromos said:

We have addressed it, you simply do not accept and continue to have Scripture state contradictory things.
When something is referred to as the whole of something, you have a pretty big clue that a figure of speech is being used.

Mark 1:5

And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.​

Matthew 2:3

When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him;​

Jesus refers to the sign of Jonah being 3 days and 3 nights, the day and night being a "whole" of 24 hours, so there is your clue right there.
The second clue is Jewish cultural understanding, which Yeshua HaDerekh posted in post #90.
The third clue is that if you do not recognise "3 days and 3 nights" as idiom, then you have Jesus making contradictory statements. Jesus is recorded telling His disciples multiple times that He would be killed and that He would rise on the third day, whereas the sign of Jonah is recorded once.
The disciples on the road to Emmaus confirm that Jesus did indeed rise on the third day, not after 3 days and 3 nights, and Paul confirms the same in his first letter to the Corinthians.

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If he was buried Thursday night, and rose Sunday near sunset, then he was three days and nights in the tomb, And he rose on the 3rd day. No contradiction there. Whereas, if he was buried on Friday, no matter how you cut it, it contradicts.

Robin Mauro said:

If he was buried Thursday night, and rose Sunday near sunset, then he was three days and nights in the tomb, And he rose on the 3rd day. No contradiction there. Whereas, if he was buried on Friday, no matter how you cut it, it contradicts.

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Sunday is the 4th day after Thursday night. Jews count inclusively. There is simply no way Jesus can be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights AND rise on the 3rd day.

The Gospels are also clear that Jesus died and was buried on the day of preparation,the day before the weekly Sabbath, which corresponds to Friday.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong on this.

Robin Mauro said:

That makes no sense, namely, "he did not need to be in the tomb..,"
Jesus said it. Either you believe him or you don't.. Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights make 3 nights, then he rose on Sunday. If he rose on Sunday, and what he said was true, which I believe it was, then he had to have been buried on Thursday.

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Scripturally it makes complete sense. Your scenario is 4 days...AND the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove you wrong

1stcenturylady said:

Read Matthew 5 again, and see how He changed His Father's commandments. It went from mere action, to the deeper elements of the heart.

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There are some who say "Jesus exposed the limitations of the Decalogue when he amended and rewrote some of them." As proof for the statement above, they cite Matthew 5:27-28. Jesus said:

"Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

They say of Jesus; "He said that adultery is not just an act, but a sinful desire."


They are obviously unaware that it was prophesied that Jesus would come to magnify the Law and make it honourable (Isaiah 42:21,1-4; Matthew 12:15-21; 13:13-15).

Magnify - GADAL (HEB.) - to be large in body or honour.

Honourable - ADAR (HEB.) - glorious, majestic.

Before the statements made by Jesus in Matthew 5:21-22 & 27-28, He made a statement which supports Isaiah 42:21. He said:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

Fulfill - PLEROO (GRK.) - to make replete, to furnish, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify a prediction.


Jesus Himself explained what He fulfilled and the meaning of the world fulfill in Luke 24:44. The same word PLEROO is used in this passage which renders the meaning as; to verify a prediction or prophecies. PLEROO is also used in the following passages:

Matthew 1:22; 2:15,17, 23; 4:14; 8:17; 3:15; Philippians 2:2; Colossians 1:25; 4:17.

Does fulfill mean abolish or end in any of these passages? Obviously not. Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies written about Him and even of those concerning the laws and commands of God. He would magnify the Law i.e. the ten commandments and its expansions and explanations and He would replace the sacrificial laws by the sacrifice of His body. (Isaiah 42:21; Psalm 40:6-8; Hebrews 10:5-10). Hence, what He did in Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, was not to amend or rewrite any of the commandments but was to repeat and enlarge (magnify) what was already in the Law and prophets.


N.B. The Law did not permit you to hate or be angry with anyone;

"Thou shall not hate thy brother in thine heart..." (Leviticus 19:17).

The Law and the prophets were against lusting or desires which are wrong;

"Lust not after her beauty in thine heart;..." (Proverbs 6:25).


The ten commandment law itself was also strongly against these things when it said;


"Thou shall not covet...thy neighbours wife...nor anything that is thy neighbour's." (Exodus 20:17).

Covet - CHAMAD (HEB.) - to desire strongly, to delight in.


The law was to be in the hearts of the people:


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:"(Deuteronomy 6:4-6)


Jesus only repeated and enlarged what was said in the Ten Commandments and the Law and prophets. He did not amend or rewrite any commands.The law was already spiritual.(Romans 7:14)

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Scripturally it makes complete sense. Your scenario is 4 days...AND the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove you wrong

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Friday, Sat, Sun, 3 days.
And you have yet to make your case for the road to Emmaus.
There are certain rules to debate. Rationality is one.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Scripturally it makes complete sense. Your scenario is 4 days...AND the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove you wrong

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And I already know what you are going to say, but ThursDAY he was not in the grave, he was dying on the cross

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Scripturally it makes complete sense. Your scenario is 4 days...AND the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove you wrong

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P.S.
And go ahead and stay fully convinced in your own mind. One day, we will stand before him, and we can ask him then, for ourselves.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Scripturally it makes complete sense. Your scenario is 4 days...AND the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove you wrong

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Jesus Died on a Thursday not a Friday
I just read this for the first time.
It appears I am not the only one who thinks Jesus was crucified on Thursday

Robin Mauro said:

Jesus Died on a Thursday not a Friday
I just read this for the first time.
It appears I am not the only one who thinks Jesus was crucified on Thursday

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The blue is a link

Robin Mauro said:

Friday, Sat, Sun, 3 days.
And you have yet to make your case for the road to Emmaus.
There are certain rules to debate. Rationality is one.

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You are changing your scenario now. You included Thursday previously. Make my case? Scripture makes the case, go read it...

Robin Mauro said:

The blue is a link

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lots of people think many incorrect things, so what

Robin Mauro said:

P.S.
And go ahead and stay fully convinced in your own mind. One day, we will stand before him, and we can ask him then, for ourselves.

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Read the Scriptures...