Dozens of EX homosexuals march, to share victory over homosexual sin

ThievingMagpie · May 26, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
Ridiculous I have known plenty and that statement is ridiculous. I worked at the city 5 years in a truck with a gay co-worker and I know of their struggles. This gay co-worker lady volunteered a lot of her time with gay people dying of AIDS. Gay people's rate of suicide, drug overdose and addiction, alcoholism etc etc is much much higher than the General Public.

Candy coating sin is just not the best thing to do.

Do you have any idea of how many gay people suffer from major depression? The psychiatrist offices are full of them. Many if not most are on meds.

M-Bob

Likewise, the lower rate of AIDS suffered by the lesbian community compared to heterosexual people indicates that only lesbians are truly devoid of sin.

Mountainmanbob · May 26, 2019

ThievingMagpie said:
Likewise, the lower rate of AIDS suffered by the lesbian community compared to heterosexual people indicates that only lesbians are truly devoid of sin.

Nothing like some early Sunday morning humor.

I guess for some?

M-Bob

Rubiks · May 26, 2019

What's an EX homosexual? Sounds like a boss fight in a video game featuring a beefed up homosexual.

Desk trauma · May 26, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
Nothing like some early Sunday morning humor.

I make no comment on sinfulness nor morality but going by STI rates lesbian sex is the safest form of intercourse. Oddly that fact is left out of all the screeching about how diseased homosexuals are.

ThievingMagpie · May 26, 2019

Rubiks said:
What's an EX homosexual? Sounds like a boss fight in a video game featuring a beefed up homosexual.

It's where they flash yellow and get super-armour

gaara4158 · May 26, 2019

Rubiks said:
What's an EX homosexual? Sounds like a boss fight in a video game featuring a beefed up homosexual.

Usually it’s a bisexual conservative who assumes everyone is tempted by the same sex in the way that they are, and has settled into a heterosexual relationship.

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

ThievingMagpie said:
Likewise, the lower rate of AIDS suffered by the lesbian community compared to heterosexual people indicates that only lesbians are truly devoid of sin.

Men on men sex is the cause of the AIDS, without getting into detail scholarly studies ruled that even male provalactics did not work because of the violence of the act. Hence their is no protection from STDS in male on male sex, weakening immune system of the males allowing them to be susceptible to HIV and become transmitters, and susceptible to bacterial meningitis. I have the studies I can post when I get back to a computer.

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

gaara4158 said:
Usually it’s a bisexual conservative who assumes everyone is tempted by the same sex in the way that they are, and has settled into a heterosexual relationship.

Sexual desire can become polluted through too much visual stimulation such as watching rated R movies or watching explicit material depicting Hollywood style sexual scenes. This pollution causes over stimulus in both male and female, where as in men in their 30s and older obtain erectile disfunction while being marrried, simply from overstimulation with explicit material while younger that they got addicted to. In this way self stimulatin as taught in all public schools is setting future adults up for failure. That is why the bible condemns self stimulation and inappropriate contentography (for more than one reason.) Sin of homosexuality is physically unhealthy, and I can prove that male homosexual sex is bad for your health. Lesbians who engage in similar actions also have similar outcomes. So the sin is not unique to one or the other. Sin is not bad because it's forbidden, but forbidden because it's bad. Homosexuality is a mental disorder, sexual addiction is also a type of disorder, and both can be overcome when the root cause of the addiction is treated by a psychiatrist. But rules for success: read the Bible about victory over sin, baptism of the Holy Spirit for power, and the power of prayer.

gaara4158 · May 26, 2019

gradyll said:
Sexual desire can become polluted through too much visual stimulation such as watching rated R movies or watching explicit material depicting Hollywood style sexual scenes. This pollution causes over stimulus in both male and female, where as in men in their 30s and older obtain erectile disfunction while being marrried, simply from overstimulation with explicit material while younger that they got addicted to. In this way self stimulatin as taught in all public schools is setting future adults up for failure. That is why the bible condemns self stimulation and inappropriate contentography (for more than one reason.) Sin of homosexuality is physically unhealthy, and I can prove that male homosexual sex is bad for your health. Lesbians who engage in similar actions also have similar outcomes. So the sin is not unique to one or the other. Sin is not bad because it's forbidden, but forbidden because it's bad. Homosexuality is a mental disorder, sexual addiction is also a type of disorder, and both can be overcome when the root cause of the addiction is treated by a psychiatrist. But rules for success: read the Bible about victory over sin, baptism of the Holy Spirit for power, and the power of prayer.

Like I said. An “ex homosexual” is usually a conservative bisexual, settled into a heterosexual marriage, who assumes all are tempted by the same sex in the same way that they are.

ThievingMagpie · May 26, 2019

gradyll said:
Men on men sex is the cause of the AIDS, without getting into detail scholarly studies ruled that even male provalactics did not work because of the violence of the act. Hence their is no protection from STDS in male on male sex, weakening immune system of the males allowing them to be susceptible to HIV and become transmitters, and susceptible to bacterial meningitis. I have the studies I can post when I get back to a computer.

Theres lots of ways to have fun without getting violent. Anyway, what's your take on lesbian sex given its inherently a lot safer than heterosexual sex?

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

gaara4158 said:
Like I said. An “ex homosexual” is usually a conservative bisexual, settled into a heterosexual marriage, who assumes all are tempted by the same sex in the same way that they are.

So you have personally interviewed every case of someone reverting from homosexuality, and that was the case? I can't speak for any one else, but I am not bisexual right now, to me I would lose my lunch at the thought of that. Totally gross. Women on the other hand are not gross to me. So mine was a 100% repentance, I am not even tempted to be homosexual at all. Even though I had a year where I was sexually attracted to same sex. Like I said it is utterly discusting for me, I can't pallet the thought of it now. And this is a normal heterosexual feeling. Sin usually is gross, when engaging in sin for the first time we have an initial sense of shame, this is God's spirit testifying that it is an evil action. We can listen to that voice, or quench it by further proceeding with sin. Eventually the wickedness overcomes the shame. But the curse of sin compounds regardless of if we have shame for it. AIDS sets it, bacterial meningitis comes in. Gods temporal punishment for sin has come. Sin curses us, sin brings only death. Righteousness brings life the bible says.

gaara4158 · May 26, 2019

gradyll said:
So you have personally interviewed every case of someone reverting from homosexuality, and that was the case? I can't speak for any one else, but I am not bisexual right now, to me I would lose my lunch at the thought of that. Totally gross. Women on the other hand are not gross to me. So mine was a 100% repentance, I am not even tempted to be homosexual at all. Even though I had a year where I was sexually attracted to same sex. Like I said it is utterly discusting for me, I can't pallet the thought of it now. And this is a normal heterosexual feeling. Sin usually is gross, when engaging in sin for the first time we have an initial sense of shame, this is God's spirit testifying that it is an evil action. We can listen to that voice, or quench it by further proceeding with sin. Eventually the wickedness overcomes the shame. But the curse of sin compounds regardless of if we have shame for it. AIDS sets it, bacterial meningitis comes in. Gods temporal punishment for sin has come. Sin curses us, sin brings only death. Righteousness brings life the bible says.

Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much.

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

ThievingMagpie said:
Theres lots of ways to have fun without getting violent. Anyway, what's your take on lesbian sex given its inherently a lot safer than heterosexual sex?

actually the violence is because of the place they are having sex, the rear end is not created for sex and because of the violence of that particular position they are breaking prophylactics. Lesbians are not getting sick in the same fashion physically but are showing just as many mental health issues as the males.

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

I found out when I went through a nervous breakdown about 4 years ago (because of work), that I was very fearful of my bosses, and leaders at work. I found that in time I grew attracted physically to them. Once I received treatment through a state health agency in my town I was put on disability for a year to treat my episode. All my symptoms went away. No more anxiety or fear. And not one homosexual thought in 4 and a half years. It was not a biological "gay gene" it was rather a psychotic episode that was treatable. I am not saying that yours is the same as mine, I am just saying that those thoughts and feelings will go away with treatment. I still take medicine as it's a lifelong thing. But there are many cases of homosexuals changing, repenting, whatever and taking control of their sex lives in a Biblical manner. Sex abuse as a child or adult, by fathers, or by Priests, can cause this said fear and codependence. Many times counseling is needed. And Sometimes medicine can take the edge off of your nervousness, and making your mind calm down enough to realize- I am really not attracted to the same sex, that was just a front because I was scared to cope with my responsibility (in some cases) , and with others they are afraid to cope with their masculinity as it may have been robbed from them as a child through molestation. It is easier in high anxiety cases to siphon the masculinity from others than to use the God given masculinity we all have. This co-dependence creates a sense of laziness in emotional connections, and one finds it easy as well to just like the same person they are codependent on for strength. Now this may be why you have a “manly” partner, and a “feminine” partner in homosexual relationships. I assume this is why. The first step in overcoming this is to treat anxiety/paranoia if any. Then to ask God for strength and grace to put you in situations with increasing responsibility while not crushing you. In time as you gain confidence you start to realize, I do like the opposite sex, that was just a cop out because I was afraid.

see this link for more stories:

http://www.restoredhopenetwork.com/index.php/resources/stories

I think ultimately my desire to follow God and be what He wanted was more important than any sexual desire I had. I struggle with other issues but that is one that God has completely given me victory over.

focus on the family has recommended these ministries for those desiring to come out of the homosexual lifestyle:

Restored Hope Network

Home | Desert Stream

Katharos Network - Home

There are many reasons to fight against homosexual thoughts:

Yours and others healths, and to heal your relationship with God.

The National Center for Biotechnology Information ( a governmental agency)

"Men who have sex with men (MSM) are the population most heavily affected by infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) [1]. The rate of a new HIV diagnosis among MSM is more than 40 times that of women and more than 44 times that of other men [2]. In 2010, male-to-male sex remained the largest HIV transmission category in the United States and the only one associated with an increasing number of HIV/ acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) diagnoses [3]. Although MSM represent about 7% of the male population in the United States, they account for 78% of the new HIV infections among males, reinforcing the need for intensive HIV prevention services and testing campaigns [4]."

eHealth Interventions for HIV Prevention in High-Risk Men Who Have Sex With Men: A Systematic Review

But I can't post the study as it gets sexually explicit. But I have read the thoroughly, and it does say that MSM male sex needs to be restricted, and that there currently was no way to stop transmission. Condoms do lessen the transmission, but not enough. "In addition, the use of condoms or other physical barrier devices does not always prevent trauma

during vigorous physical interaction and trauma increases the risk of transmission of infection."

official court documents regarding legality of MSM in belize here is another quote:

"Some Public Health practitioners and agencies have hypothesized that decriminalizing

the practice of anal intercourse among consenting adults would lead to a reduction in the

incidence rate of HIV infections among MSM. To date, published data have not substantiated

this hypothesis."

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

evidence homosexuality is caused by other mental issues:

there are many books on homosexuality as a pathology

see below (also added to new homosexual study)

A Peer Review Article states:

“It was observed that early childhood experiences are important in the causation of homosexuality, early channelization of the sexual drive or to objects of the same sex by homosexual seduction and subsequent habituation also played an important part.”

“eleven of 13 patients appear to have been deprived of a father figure in childhood. Thompson,Jr. et al. (1973) found that male homosexuals reported more hostile, detached fathers compared to heterosexual controls. Freund et al. (1974) reported significantly poorer father-son relationships among homosexuals. Freund et al. (1974) found unreplaced loss of father before the age of five approaching significance among homosexuals when compared with heterosexuals. Our findings appear to be in agreement with these studies.”

“ (1982), 24(2), 182—186 MALE HOMOSEXUALITY : A PSYCHIATRIC STUDY OF THIRTEEN CASES1 P. V. PRADHAN8 , M.D., D.P.M. K. S. AYYAR3 , M.D. V. N- BAGADIA*, M.D., D.P.M. (Eng.), F.A.P.A., F.R.C. Psych.”

Part 2 of 2 documents Document found:

http://europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC3012870&blobtype=pdf

part 1 of 2 document found:

http://europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC3012889&blobtype=pdf

Occams Barber · May 26, 2019

gradyll said:
evidence homosexuality is caused by other mental issues:

You may believe that homosexuality is caused by mental issues. The experts disagree.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the authoritative guide to the diagnosis of mental disorders. The DSM contains descriptions, symptoms, and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders. It was first published in 1952. This first edition of the DSM (DSM l) included homosexuality as a mental disorder in spite of the fact that there was no scientific evidence that homosexuality was psychologically abnormal. Following on from research by Kinsey, Hooker and others, homosexuality was re-appraised as a normal sexual behaviour. Homosexuality, as a mental disorder, was removed from the second edition of the DSM (DSM ll) in 1973.

The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the World Health Organisation and a range of international psychiatric/psychological organisations agree that homosexuality should not be classified as mental disorder. It is however recognised that negative attitudes towards homosexuality and homosexuals can result in psychological trauma for homosexual individuals. The problem is not homosexuality- it's how society reacts to it.

If you’d like to learn more goto:

LGBT Mental Health Syllabus

Homosexuality and psychology - Wikipedia

Your actual ‘evidence’ for ‘homosexuality is caused by other mental issues’ is a single report written in 1982 covering 13 homosexual individuals who self-admitted to an Indian psychiatric facility seeking sexual re-orientation. The report does not suggest that mental issues were the cause of their homosexuality. It does try to make a fairly weak case for a poor father relationship as a possible causal factor (or was it birth order or maybe even excessive maternal attachment?).

Your second (again 1982) paper is an account of the ‘treatment’ afforded to these 13 individuals combining positive conditioning (relaxation, sexual stimulation) with aversive conditioning (electric shock). This treatment is straight out of A Clockwork Orange. The report has nothing to do with what may have caused the homosexual orientation.

OB

Mountainmanbob · May 26, 2019

Occams Barber said:
If you’d like to learn more goto:
LGBT Mental Health Syllabus
Homosexuality and psychology - Wikipedia

Your actual ‘evidence’ for ‘homosexuality is caused by other mental issues’ is a single report written in 1982 covering 13 homosexual individuals who self-admitted to an Indian psychiatric facility seeking sexual re-orientation. The report does not suggest that mental issues were the cause of their homosexuality. It does try to make a fairly weak case for a poor father relationship as a possible causal factor (or was it birth order or maybe even excessive maternal attachment?).

Your second (again 1982) paper is an account of the ‘treatment’ afforded to these 13 individuals combining positive conditioning (relaxation, sexual stimulation) with aversive conditioning (electric shock). This treatment is straight out of A Clockwork Orange. The report has nothing to do with what may have caused the homosexual orientation.

OB

Not where I would go to get (((straight from the Bible))) Christian information.
Of course, (((most people))) on this earth are not Christians.
MB

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

Occams Barber said:
You may believe that homosexuality is caused by mental issues. The experts disagree.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the authoritative guide to the diagnosis of mental disorders. The DSM contains descriptions, symptoms, and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders. It was first published in 1952. This first edition of the DSM (DSM l) included homosexuality as a mental disorder in spite of the fact that there was no scientific evidence that homosexuality was psychologically abnormal. Following on from research by Kinsey, Hooker and others, homosexuality was re-appraised as a normal sexual behaviour. Homosexuality, as a mental disorder, was removed from the second edition of the DSM (DSM ll) in 1973.

The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the World Health Organisation and a range of international psychiatric/psychological organisations agree that homosexuality should not be classified as mental disorder. It is however recognised that negative attitudes towards homosexuality and homosexuals can result in psychological trauma for homosexual individuals. The problem is not homosexuality- it's how society reacts to it.

If you’d like to learn more goto:

LGBT Mental Health Syllabus

Homosexuality and psychology - Wikipedia

Your actual ‘evidence’ for ‘homosexuality is caused by other mental issues’ is a single report written in 1982 covering 13 homosexual individuals who self-admitted to an Indian psychiatric facility seeking sexual re-orientation. The report does not suggest that mental issues were the cause of their homosexuality. It does try to make a fairly weak case for a poor father relationship as a possible causal factor (or was it birth order or maybe even excessive maternal attachment?).

Your second (again 1982) paper is an account of the ‘treatment’ afforded to these 13 individuals combining positive conditioning (relaxation, sexual stimulation) with aversive conditioning (electric shock). This treatment is straight out of A Clockwork Orange. The report has nothing to do with what may have caused the homosexual orientation.

OB

health articles in wikipedia are known to be particularly biased and prove to be wrong more than right.

in fact 90% of wikipedia health content is in error according to this study:

Study Finds 90% of Health-Related Wikipedia Articles Contain Errors - iHealthBeat

my sources however are peer reviewed. There are dozens of articles that pop up on google scholar under the search of "homosexuality as psychosis" I provided one, and it was not the same as what you are describing.

createdtoworship · May 26, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
Not where I would go to get (((straight from the Bible))) Christian information.
Of course, (((most people))) on this earth are not Christians.
MB

atheists dont believe in the Bible, but I quote it to them all the time.
it's interesting because I debate them all day long and most of my posts they reply to with counters at least attempted counters, but when i post a bible verse, they usually don't have a counter.

it proves to show that the Bible is God's sword of the spirit.

Occams Barber · May 26, 2019

gradyll said:
health articles in wikipedia are known to be particularly biased and prove to be wrong more than right.

in fact 90% of wikipedia health content is in error according to this study:

Study Finds 90% of Health-Related Wikipedia Articles Contain Errors - iHealthBeat

Don't believe me -or- don't want to believe me?

Here's a Google Search page for DSM and homosexuality.
DSM and homosexuality - Google Search
Knock yourself out.

gradyll said:
my sources however are peer reviewed. There are dozens of articles that pop up on google scholar under the search of "homosexuality as psychosis" I provided one, and it was not the same as what you are describing.

I used the 2 links you gave me and explained exactly what I saw.

I'm not in the habit of lying.
OB

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