Lulav
Y'shua is His Name
1. Circumcision does not 'make one a Jew'You need to study circumcision and learn about the role it played in making one a physical Jew and a physical member of Israel. And then consider Jesus abolished it on the cross.
2. Circumcision was not 'abolished' on the cross. It is a sign of the covenant which was not abolished as well.
Because he was pure like Noah was, the only choice to bring through the Messiah.Why in His omniscience He chose Abram over all the other people to come from Noah's line, we can't really know. He was of the line of Shem, who was a direct descendant of Noah, and we do know that Noah asked a special blessing upon Shem for his part in covering Noah's nakedness. Beyond that, there doesn't seem to be any particular reason that God would have chosen Abram over all the other children of Noah, but He did.
But understand please that from the very day that God called Abram out of Haran, Jesus was going to die. That was God's plan from the very beginning and He worked out His plan upon the earth through His people.
Thanks Ted, btw, I am Jewish, I was actually addressing some that believe all Jews are responsible for Messiah dying. The thing is they don't understand that they would be forever doomed had things not taken place the way they did but to continue to put the 'blood guilt' on Jews today is really short-sighted.Hi lulav,
Well, people aren't that smart or omniscient. Yes, everyone had their little bit part in bringing about God's great plan of salvation, but they didn't any of them realize at the time how it was all going to end. It was only after it was all done that we can look back and see the thread of God's hand in all that came to pass and how that thread leads from Abram to Jesus. That's just the way humans are. This is why the plan couldn't be accomplished until the old covenant Scriptures were complete. We humans are not a particularly bright bunch. Especially when it comes to understanding the things of God. So God had to get it all written down for us first.
So, I wouldn't agree that any of them were 'in on it'. It wasn't really a matter of them being 'in on it'. They just each had their part to play in God's plan of salvation and despite their repeated and near constant rebellion to the yoke of God, they did complete the plan for which God called them to do. As I say, if one reads the prophecies of the old covenant, there shouldn't be any surprise that it all worked out as it did. There shouldn't be any surprise to the born again believer that God used His people to work out the completion of His plan upon the earth. It was for this very purpose that God called Abram.
God bless,
In Christ, ted
Israel later became a kingdom under Saul, David, and Solomon. But it never was a "kingdom" prior to Saul. It started out as a Democracy. Have you not read that in Judges 21:25....
Israel as a nation was started as a Theocracy, God himself was to be their king and was until they complained too much, however they wanted to be like the other nations and have a visible King and he gave them Saul , which we see was a very bad choice.
Again, yes it was.Israel was intended all along to be a kingdom under Yeshua, but it was not initially established as a kingdom.
Abrahams' seed does NOT = Israel.Jesus is Abraham's seed along with believers according to Paul. Abraham's seed = Israel. First called Hebrews and then Israel interchangeably by Moses. All the promises made to Abraham are yes in Jesus according to Paul. And Israel now occupies the entire earth as promises to Abraham.
If you believe that then you are saying that the Arabs (the twelve sons of Ishmael), as well as the descendants of Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah are Israel and it just ain't so.
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