Donald Trump is a competent, honest and successful businessman: True/False

Aryeh Jay · May 25, 2019

I like these made up fake numbers because now I can say that Obama increased our debt by $600,000 trillion in 2150 dollars…

Pommer · May 25, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
I like these made up fake numbers because now I can say that Obama increased our debt by $600,000 trillion in 2150 dollars…

This is wildly optimistic.
There’ll be no “dollars” in 2150.
Now the ¥, yeah that’ll still be around!

hislegacy · May 25, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
And if the value reported had been just the raw numbers, folks on your side would've crowed about how inconsequential it all was and how much of a genius the man is. However you want to measure it, the numbers in that article suggest that it's at least $100m in raw dollars on top of the successful business and extensive political contacts that his father had already built.

Whataboutisms just don’t work anymore.

rambot · May 25, 2019

hislegacy said:
So when he received the funds it was NOT 400 million. It is just stated that way as part of a politically charged bias. it sounds better to the haters.

To be clear: Your argument is that 14 million dollars had the same value in the 1970s as it does in 2019.

You realize how wrong that is though right?

I have to say it doesn't sound "better" to me. It sounds like a better representation of how much farther of a headstart he got that 99% of the population.

Why do you equate "spite" with "realistic representation"?

Pommer · May 25, 2019

hislegacy said:
Whataboutisms just don’t work anymore.

How is that a “whataboutism”?

rambot · May 25, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
I like these made up fake numbers because now I can say that Obama increased our debt by $600,000 trillion in 2150 dollars…

"fake numbers". I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that you have labelled the historical, DOCUMENTED increase in the valuation of American currency as "fake numbers".

It reflects so perfectly the Trump supporters mindset.

iluvatar5150 · May 25, 2019

hislegacy said:
Whataboutisms just don’t work anymore.

Nothing I said was a whataboutism.

GoldenBoy89 · May 25, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Nothing I said was a whataboutism.

Clearly some have stopped even trying at this point.

hislegacy · May 25, 2019

rambot said:
To be clear: Your argument is that 14 million dollars had the same value in the 1970s as it does in 2019.

You realize how wrong that is though right?

First I never made that claim and it is in great error for you to say I did. You do know how wrong it is to do that though right?

To be clear - I don't believe a person who cannot read above a third grade level, who is dishonest, incompetent, racist, sexist, has onset dementia, spends most of his time watching tv and all the other things attributed to the President AFTER he decided to run for office, has the ability to take a large sum of 14,000,000 of funds and property in one city and turn it into 350 different entities, in different nations and cities in the United States and is now worth 341 times more money than what he started with.

Then to believe someone who cannot read above a third grade level, who is dishonest, incompetent, racist, sexist, has onset dementia, spends most of his time watching tv can win the nomination for a political party, out performing 16 career politicians who were better funded with more history and experience, then go on to win a national election against one who was "the most qualified" candidate who out spent him 2 to 1.

I am just not gullible to believe that is probable, let alone likely.

Now the haters are scrambling to find ways to change the narrative and diminsh who he is and what he has accomplished. They are in full panic mode.

Pommer · May 25, 2019

hislegacy said:
First I never made that claim and it is in great error for you to say I did. You do know how wrong it is to do that though right?

To be clear - I don't believe a person who cannot read above a third grade level, who is dishonest, incompetent, racist, sexist, has onset dementia, spends most of his time watching tv and all the other things attributed to the President AFTER he decided to run for office, has the ability to take a large sum of 14,000,000 of funds and property in one city and turn it into 350 different entities, in different nations and cities in the United States and is now worth 341 times more money than what he started with.

Then to believe someone who cannot read above a third grade level, who is dishonest, incompetent, racist, sexist, has onset dementia, spends most of his time watching tv can win the nomination for a political party, out performing 16 career politicians who were better funded with more history and experience, then go on to win a national election against one who was "the most qualified" candidate who out spent him 2 to 1.

I am just not gullible to believe that is probable, let alone likely.

Now the haters are scrambling to find ways to change the narrative and diminsh who he is and what he has accomplished. They are in full panic mode.

Now, Pommer, be nice!

USincognito · May 25, 2019

Albion said:
There is no comparison, which I rather suspect you know to be the case.

Obama was in many ways untouchable, above criticism, at least from people in positions of authority, and regardless of how pompous, authoritarian, or ill-conceived his actions were. By comparison, we are now living in a country awash with the most vulgar and even absurd hatemongering.

We have opponents even calling for the presidents assassination nowadays, so if anybody says that a few people thought it odd that Obama did not have a birth certificate, it would take a very partisan person to equate the two actions with a straight face.

And as for slowing the wheels of government, nothing compares with what the self-described ”RESIST!” movement (Get it? That is what they themselves say is their objective) has done, not just slowing the passage of legislation but preventing the confirmation of hundreds of ambassadors, cabinet officials, and so on who are needed for government to function properly.

The opponents are now going so far as to oppose legislation an policy that they supported an voted for...prior to the election of President Trump, that is. That should show anyone how deeply committed they are to their strategy.

Wow. I never cease to be amazed reading some of the bizarro world commets on here. Let's just look at one example.

>> We have opponents even calling for the presidents assassination nowadays, so if anybody says that a few people thought it odd that Obama did not have a birth certificate, it would take a very partisan person to equate the two actions with a straight face. <<

Yeah, it was "just a few people who "thought it was odd that [President] Obama didn't 'have a birth certificate'". :doh:

Aryeh Jay · May 25, 2019

rambot said:
"fake numbers". I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that you have labelled the historical, DOCUMENTED increase in the valuation of American currency as "fake numbers".

It reflects so perfectly the Trump supporters mindset.

I have a $20 bill from 1950 and 1974 and just tried to convince the clerk at the store that their “real” worth is $308 in “today” dollars. Their first remark was “no they are not” and the second was “they are fake” probably due to the years of Obama supported common core and socialism that has been taught in the public school system and not knowing what real money looks like.

Your so called historical, DOCUMENTED increase in the valuation of American currency is fake news because the value DID NOT increase!

USincognito · May 25, 2019

Albion said:
Nonsense. For one thing, that was about stray individuals.

And here we go with the gaslighting again.

Albion said:
It now is heard from prominent people, elected officials even, Congresspersons included,

Oh really? Surely you have a citation of prominent elected officials and members of Congress calling for Trump's assassination.

along with other celebrities. Also, it used to be the case that doing such a thing brought legal action against such persons. That apparently is not the case anymore.

You mean like when Ted Nugent said President Obama could suck his AR-15 and that Secretary Clinton could "ride his gun into the sunset" for which he was invited to the White House? Surely you have examples of these supposed celebs calling for Trump's assassination (even if they didn't get invited to visit President Obama in the Oval Office).

Sometimes I swear your posts are like watching Tucker Carlson or Hannity.

USincognito · May 25, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
I have a $20 bill from 1950 and 1974 and just tried to convince the clerk at the store that their “real” worth is $308 in “today” dollars. Their first remark was “no they are not” and the second was “they are fake” probably due to the years of Obama supported common core and socialism that has been taught in the public school system and not knowing what real money looks like.

Your so called historical, DOCUMENTED increase in the valuation of American currency is fake news because the value DID NOT increase!

Oh please! "Francine Neff"? What kind of fake name is that?

Pommer · May 25, 2019

USincognito said:
Oh please! "Francine Neff"? What kind of fake name is that?

We have a sterling silver Nef...it’s in the shape of a small galleon set on wheels under full sail and running before the wind!

iluvatar5150 · May 25, 2019

hislegacy said:
First I never made that claim and it is in great error for you to say I did. You do know how wrong it is to do that though right?

To be clear - I don't believe a person who cannot read above a third grade level, who is dishonest, incompetent, racist, sexist, has onset dementia, spends most of his time watching tv and all the other things attributed to the President AFTER he decided to run for office, has the ability to take a large sum of 14,000,000 of funds and property in one city and turn it into 350 different entities, in different nations and cities in the United States and is now worth 341 times more money than what he started with.

Then to believe someone who cannot read above a third grade level, who is dishonest, incompetent, racist, sexist, has onset dementia, spends most of his time watching tv can win the nomination for a political party, out performing 16 career politicians who were better funded with more history and experience, then go on to win a national election against one who was "the most qualified" candidate who out spent him 2 to 1.

I am just not gullible to believe that is probable, let alone likely.

Now the haters are scrambling to find ways to change the narrative and diminsh who he is and what he has accomplished. They are in full panic mode.

Where the heck are you getting that $14 million figure from? I didn’t argue about it before because you edited out of your previous post - I assumed because you realized that your math was bad. I guess I assumed wrong.

rambot · May 26, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
I have a $20 bill from 1950 and 1974 and just tried to convince the clerk at the store that their “real” worth is $308 in “today” dollars. Their first remark was “no they are not” and the second was “they are fake” probably due to the years of Obama supported common core and socialism that has been taught in the public school system and not knowing what real money looks like.

Your so called historical, DOCUMENTED increase in the valuation of American currency is fake news because the value DID NOT increase!

You should consider jumping into your Delorian and getting back to 1950 with that 20$ bill. You could buy any of the following:

80 gallons of gas
20lbs of coffee
40 movie tickets
10 packs of cigarettes
80 books
20 tickets to the MLB All Stars game

Park yourself in 1974 and let me know if you had to pay 9$ for a big mac meal. I'm curious.

I cannot believe this counter argument. I have to bow out of this because it is becoming difficult for me to employ my mom's advice.

hislegacy · May 26, 2019

Pommer said:
That cross getting heavy?

The only cross I am aware of is the one that Jesus Christ carried on His shoulders after being scourged. 39 strokes with a Roman scourge because 40 would have killed him. They then place a crown of thorns on His head and He was paraded with that cross to the place where He was crucified.

It was there that Scripture tells us that He offered His hand and feet and endured the shame of the cross for the joy that was set before Him.

You my friend, are part of that Joy. He loved you so much before you ever existed that He hung on a cross so you could have a relationship with Him.

So yes, in some ways the cross was very heavy. For Him.

Or was it possible your query was nothing more than admitting there was nothing else to present and perhaps a snide comment was the very best in the tool belt.

Pommer · May 26, 2019

hislegacy said:
Or was it possible your query was nothing more than admitting there was nothing else to present and perhaps a snide comment was the very best in the tool belt.

My apologies.
I shall delete it with great dispatch!

Aryeh Jay · May 26, 2019

USincognito said:
Oh please! "Francine Neff"? What kind of fake name is that?

A great Republican Leader appointed by a great Republican President. Clearly not the Greatest or most popular like President Trump is but Nixon has got to be in the top three Super President categories

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