Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Grip Docility said:

This one? Post #121

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Nope. Look again.

LovesOurLord said:

There is zero scriptural indication that people who actively reject Christ are anything but hell-bound and sons of the devil - regardless of their ethnicity. You seem to think there is some special set-aside for Jews, regardless of their rejection, regardless of their faithlessness, regardless of their treatment of Christians. Where are these verses, please?

"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last." - 1 Thess. 2:14-16.

Israel outlaws Christian proselytism. The New Testament is full of Jews who reject Christ persecuting the early church, killing them, and running them out of towns. These verses alone proves the wrath of God is upon them for that behavior.

FURTHERMORE, you seem unaware that Rabbinic Judaism teaches not only that Christ is boiling in hell in feces, but also that fortune-telling is acceptable. The Talmud contains stories of the use of astrology, palm reading, and face reading by the revered Jewish sages. It also teaches that the Judges were chosen by means of palm and face reading. Do you find that Godly, sir?

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There's not?
Romans 11

28 Regarding the gospel, they are enemies for your advantage, but regarding election, they are loved because of the patriarchs, 29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable, 30 As you once disobeyed God, but now have received mercy through their disobedience, 31 so they too have now disobeyed, resulting in mercy to you, so that they also now may receive mercy. 32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

A Hymn of Praise

33 Oh, the depth of the riches
both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God!
How unsearchable His judgments
and untraceable His ways!
34 For who has known the mind of the Lord?bk
Or who has been His counselor?
35 Or who has ever first given to Him,
and has to be repaid?
36 For from Him and through Him
and to Him are all things

To Him be the glory forever. •Amen.

Dave L said:

Satan is now loosed according to the last half of Revelation 20. Christ can return any day now.

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When was Satan locked up for 1000 years?

Grip Docility said:

Still believing Romans 9-11, in conjunction with Acts 1, Zechariah 14, Joel 3 and the book of Revelation, bro.

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Any answer how to anyone who rejects Christ is of the devil and will not inherit the Kingdom?

Grip Docility said:

There's not?
Romans 11

28 Regarding the gospel, they are enemies for your advantage, but regarding election, they are loved because of the patriarchs, 29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable, 30 As you once disobeyed God, but now have received mercy through their disobedience, 31 so they too have now disobeyed, resulting in mercy to you, so that they also now may receive mercy. 32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

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Are you a Unitarian Universalist? The Bible makes it clear that he who rejects Christ will not inherit the Kingdom. Conflating being called with being saved is no defense of a notion otherwise, nor is there stipulation that on account of your being born to a special race of people, the rules that apply to everyone don't apply to you can you can spit in God's eye at will and still be considered among His people.

Copperhead said:

You must have missed the other post.

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No. You're just not posting anything that shows can people can spit in God's eye and still be His people. Again, as I've shown with a number of verses, simply being Jewish doesn't make you one of God's forever - there's a condition on it and that condition is broken, thus only a remnant of Jews will be saved, as Paul stated. Even in the Old Testament, those among the Jews who broke the Law and went after pagan gods were cast out from the people of Israel. It was always conditional. They couldn't just act how they wanted and remain one of God's chosen.

Romans 9:13-14

"I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them."

The some saved are those who believed. No more, no less. The rest are damned, like everyone else who rejects Christ.

You're repeating a small circle of verses which don't specifically mention those conditions while ignoring whole-cloth many others that do, without answering to them.

What's wrong with BDS? Are you suggesting Israel should be able to abuse Gentile populations in and near its borders due to the ethnicity of the founders of Israel?

LovesOurLord said:

Any answer how to anyone who rejects Christ is of the devil and will not inherit the Kingdom?

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Satan, of free will, Deceived Eve.
God warned Satan He would free Eve and crush Satan's power, for what Satan did.

Adam partook of the "Wisdom/Fruit" and accepted Death willingly, but didn't accomplish anything but dying.

God was abhorrent of Child Sacrifice and noted that Satan had many doing just that.

Satan lorded over the Dead... through disobedience... of Humanity, that was tricked into holding itself to God's standards, instead of being under God's grace.

God noted the Faith of Abraham... and promised him a (Son)... Type of Jesus
Abe got it on with a handmaid and made Ishmael... nobody but God is perfect

God elects Israel to display His power, Mercy and set up a mechanism to sign the Devil on to a Covenant that was intended by God to destroy the Devil's hold over humanity through Death ... 1 Corinthians 15:53-56 / Hebrews 2:14

The Devil was at the right hand of God... Zechariah 3 ... and was a Covenant Angel... Ezekiel 28:14 that was convinced he was duping God.

The Devil tried to stop the literal DNA Mechanism that God was using to become the Full Human Incarnation that would be the Messiah.. Revelations 12

Satan thought He had Jesus dead bang for claiming Divinity and so had the Sanhedrin Charge Jesus...

Jesus was Born, the Devil had HIM killed...

God Declared Jesus / Yeshua / YeHoshua / Joshua / YHWH is Salvation .... Innocent as He had assumed all the sins of Humanity as His own, and simultaneously Proofed the Devil a Liar and a False accuser... thus convicting Satan under the same Law he had gleefully charged against humanity.

Stuff got real! Satan was cast out of heaven, by Israels main Angel. (Michael)

Israel was in bondage, and soon to be dispersed and temporarily lost...

but here comes the plot twist......... !!!!

JESUS COULD FORGIVE ALL SIN BEFORE THE DBR....

but instead ensured none of creation could hold the Keys to Death... (Hebrews 2:14)... and can now resurrect All that die (even those in Sheol... Apart from Christ... like the Rich Man from the Rich man and Laz) for His righteous judgment.

Jesus propitiated for all humanity and can now judge humanity that isn't in Him, apart from the Law and His personal standards of Goodness.

This leaves the final day to reveal who is genuinely riding with the Devil and who is willing to serve God joyfully...

Ahem.... Romans 11 implies that Satan has a "Sheol" full of a bunch of irritated Israelites that were deceived by Satan.

On the day of Satan riding against GOD and God's true eternal Kingdom... Satan is going to have a major Battle issue. You could say he and his may get flanked from all sides.

I mean... that's the basic jist and the keys are in the KEYS to Death... 1 John 3:8, The Great White Throne, Zechariah 14, Joel 3 and so on and so forth.... Joel 2 factors in and a majority of unfulfilled OT prophesies..... and more than I can really write in a brief time period.

After all..... God always drops a showstopper.....

LittleLambofJesus said:

It is also mentioned in Luke. I have a thread on that and since it is related and significant points are brought up concerning "house" I am going to transfer the posts above to it:

"BEHOLD! YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT TO YE DESOLATE/A WILDERNESS!"

Matthew 23
37 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!.............
38 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate/a wilderness<2048>

Luke 13:
34 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!.........
35 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate/a wilderness<2048>,

2048. eremos of uncertain affinity;
lonesome, i.e. (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, 5561 being implied):--desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.
G2048 ἔρημος (erēmos), occurs 50 times in 50 verses.

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And yet we see her again... in the Earthly sense... restored by Revelation 20 to participate again...

As the NEW JERUSALEM doesn't come down until old Jerusalem is surrounded in a SUPERNATURAL way.

LovesOurLord said:

Are you a Unitarian Universalist? The Bible makes it clear that he who rejects Christ will not inherit the Kingdom. Conflating being called with being saved is no defense of a notion otherwise, nor is there stipulation that on account of your being born to a special race of people, the rules that apply to everyone don't apply to you can you can spit in God's eye at will and still be considered among His people.

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Universilist!!! Unitarian!!! NOWAY! I wish Universalism were true, and God desires all to come to repentance, but scripture reveals how that will go.

Jesus is God and He will Tread the wine-press of the Wicked. I'm a Trinitarian... and I know that the wicked will be crushed at the end of it all into an ETERNAL FATE.

The Father will Be our Guide and The Son will be Our True Temple.

Unitarians deny that Jesus is God incase you didn't know.

LovesOurLord said:

Are you a Unitarian Universalist? The Bible makes it clear that he who rejects Christ will not inherit the Kingdom. Conflating being called with being saved is no defense of a notion otherwise, nor is there stipulation that on account of your being born to a special race of people, the rules that apply to everyone don't apply to you can you can spit in God's eye at will and still be considered among His people.

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But keep in mind, it is not in your pay grade to make the final determination. Leave it to the Lord and save yourself a lot of grief down the road.

And from a sideline view, those that rant and rail against the state of Israel seem to be taking it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and in some cases over the years... executioner of the Hebrew people.

Grip Docility said:

Abraham and Jacob are two entirely different references. It's so adorable when people get their Abraham confused with their Jacob.

It's like when adorable little tykes get their Noah and Moses mixed up at Sunday school felts.

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Did God change His mind about His covenant when Jacob was born?

If so, Scripture for that?

Douggg said:

We all are. Saved by the blood of Christ.

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Amen. Not by Abraham's blood.

LittleLambofJesus said:

"supenatural"? Huh?
Not sure what you mean.

The Old Jerusalem and Temple passed away in 70ad so the spiritual New Jerusalem consisting of the Spiritual NC Saints in Christ could prosper. without the need of a Temple and Sacrifices......

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple. [Revelation 11:2]
3 Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives,

Luke 19 and 21 are showing a literal army surrounding a literal City

Luke 19:43
That shall be arriving<2240> days upon thee, and thy Enemies shall be casting up a rampart<5482> to thee, and shall be encompassing<4033> thee, and pressing thee every which place.

Luke 21:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]
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The 1st century Sanctuary/Temple being measured in Revelation 11:

The Court in Revelation 11:2

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>, without of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854>, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations
and the holy City they shall be trampling<3961> forty two months.
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Hebrews 12:22 is in the present tense:

Hebrews 12:
22 But ye have come toward Zion, to a Mountain and City of God, a living Jerusalem
and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels,
23 to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel.

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So you don’t believe the Dead... as in ALL the Dead and the LIVING will be present for the day... As Revelation 20 states?

You deny that Revelation 21 comes after Revelation 20?

Huh?

I thought we agreed on simplicity.

LovesOurLord said:

What's wrong with BDS? Are you suggesting Israel should be able to abuse Gentile populations in and near its borders due to the ethnicity of the founders of Israel?

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Okay... and abuse gentile populations???

Those are Islamic... Ishmaelic Nations that proudly ride under the Crescent Moon and Star.

Poor Islam? Poor Islamic Nations????

WHAT?



Seriously?!?

Seriously?!?!?!?!?

Anyone want to read Zechariah 14 and Joel 3 while simultaneously encouraging the Division Of Israel????

I’m not doing it! No Way Hosea!!!’