Who believes we are in the latter days and that the Rapture will happen in our lifetime?

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That 7000 year plan of God has been part of the collective thought of Biblical Hebrews since before the time of Yeshua. The concept of the 6 days of creation being equated to 6000 years along with the Shabbat being the 1000 years of the Messiah is all thru the writings of the Hebrews. And I am not convinced the Hebrew calendar is correct. There has been debate, even among the Hebrew people, over the centuries that there has been a mistake in the calculating the times of the kings and it has thrown the calendar off. Some suggest that we are closer to the 6000 year point than the calendar shows.

One can hardly be dogmatic regarding exact days of each of the 2000 year period's beginning and end, but that doesn't negate the concept. Just like the exact point of a day beginning and ending cannot be determined by the average person when we use the Hebrew concept of a day beginning at sundown of the previous day from the creation account where it states the evening and the morning were each day. Unless one has actual scientific data on when the sun sets, the average person does not know the exact minute that a day ends and begins. This is why the Hebrews were meticulous about posting people in the land who would observe to see when the last sliver of sun disappeared so that the new day could be declared by the religious leadership in terms of months and festivals.

The writers of the NT stated repeatedly about being in the "last days". That would be true when one looks at a typical week. The first four days of the week had passed with the coming of Yeshua. The Apostles and everyone since Shavuot when the church began were now in the "latter days" of the week. I am convinced that the NT writers also understood and embraced the concept of the 7000 year plan of Yahweh and how it equates to the creation week.

And the idea is not that far fetched. Especially in light of other similar things in scripture. Like how the names of the genealogy from Adam to Noah, when their meanings are put in a sentence, outline the entire plan of salvation by Yahweh. One would have a though time convincing me that Hebrew scribes over the centuries took it upon themselves to bury the NT Gospel message in the genealogy from Adam to Noah. The fingerprints of the Holy Spirit are all over the scriptures.

You need to remember that the pseudopigrapha of Israel is just that-other writings! They are not inspired and must be viewed with great care. We must avoid mystical interpretations and manipulating Scriptures to fit a favored thought! We have all been guilty of this!

Remember the warning of Jesus- you make void the Word of God by your traditions . Traditions hear is the collected teachings of Israel. The tanak, The gemerra and other writings. They had over 600 rules alone on what constituted work on the Sabbath!

Christendom has done the same and replaced the simple Word of God with their traditions. The roman Church being the oldest (Born at the end of the 4th Century). It was through Augustine that the allegorical and covenant theology views of Scripture were born. He also gave rise to the heresy that only the clergy could properly handle the word of God.

Now in todays dispensational circles we are plagued by what has been dubbed newspaper exegesis! We look at events that happen and because they appear close to a fulfillment of prophesy we kind of give Gods Word a little repair work ! We must be careful!
 
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3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.

January 2019 CE - 29.5 CE = 1989.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

1989.5 + 4000 = 5989.5 years, is where we are now. 5989.5 + 10.5 = 6000 years

2019 CE + 10.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age.


4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

7000 years is God’s decreed time for mankind.


Those who have been found worthy will go into Eternity with God. Revelation 22:1-5
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Bummer. Only about 10 more years.
 
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Well I guess we will have to wait to see if Rabbi Hillel is wrong or not! why do you think so?
Many scholars agree that Hilliel made a mistake in his calculations.
Why do you think Ussher off?
The time periods as given in the Bible do not add to his date of 4004 BC. Also he was obviously not in the end times, when a few will finally understand. Daniel 12:10b
Jesus was born 4-6 B.C. I am curious, why do you use the secular BCE and CE??
The date of Jesus birth is not critical for the timeline. Just the date He was baptized and commenced His Ministry.
It was the Catholic monk Dyonousis [?] who did the Gregorian calendar designated the eras of BC and AD. Modern scholars use BCE and CE. [Common Era and Before CE]
I take no notice of any other calendar system, I just relate the known sure date of 586 BCE to where we are today.
where do you see in Scripture that God decreed 7000 years for mankind?
That truth is only alluded to in the Bible, except for the clear 1000 final years of the Millennium, which fits precisely after the prior 6000 years as I show.
I see you use an allegorical method of hermeneutic.
My understanding of the Bible is literal, excepting for the very obvious allegories. Which can usually be explained literally.
It seems that you insist on a separate Church and Israel. This is error, there is only ONE people of God.
It is we Christians who will be in the holy Land when Jesus Returns, the holy people of God; John sees them there in Revelation 7:9.
 
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January 2019 CE - 29.5 CE = 1989.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

1989.5 + 4000 = 5989.5 years, is where we are now. 5989.5 + 10.5 = 6000 years

2019 CE + 10.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age.
Well, too many variables for me. Although, it could happen.

I go with the more reliable interpretation associated with the parable of a fig tree. The results are close to the same.

1967 +70 = 2037 max. Minus the seven years, end of 2030 max.
 
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Many scholars agree that Hilliel made a mistake in his calculations.

The time periods as given in the Bible do not add to his date of 4004 BC. Also he was obviously not in the end times, when a few will finally understand. Daniel 12:10b

The date of Jesus birth is not critical for the timeline. Just the date He was baptized and commenced His Ministry.
It was the Catholic monk Dyonousis [?] who did the Gregorian calendar designated the eras of BC and AD. Modern scholars use BCE and CE. [Common Era and Before CE]
I take no notice of any other calendar system, I just relate the known sure date of 586 BCE to where we are today.

That truth is only alluded to in the Bible, except for the clear 1000 final years of the Millennium, which fits precisely after the prior 6000 years as I show.

My understanding of the Bible is literal, excepting for the very obvious allegories. Which can usually be explained literally.
It seems that you insist on a separate Church and Israel. This is error, there is only ONE people of God.
It is we Christians who will be in the holy Land when Jesus Returns, the holy people of God; John sees them there in Revelation 7:9.

And many scholars believe HIllel is far more accurate than you claim him not to be. So that is a Mexican standoff.


So you think the stuff Daniel sealed up to our understanding were accurate dates?

Could you show the allusion to 6,000 years? I do not doubt it just simply because since 1948 we have been in the end times and wee are around 6k years, but , I see no veiled references that the human time frame was to be 7,000 years.

In millennial Kingdom there is a separate Church and Israel. In teh church age there is only the body of christ composed of Jew and gentile.

But the promises to Israel did not transfer over to the Church!

Actually no believers will be in the Holy Land when Jesus returns! The antiChrist has had Jerusalem as His Capitol since the mid point of the trib and declared all out genocide against Jews and Christians.

The Construct of REv. 7 shows a cause and effect ! Those masses are the result of the sealing of the 12,000 from 12 tribes of Israel. IOW they are souls won during the trib!
 
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Thank you for your reply.

I have to say that I do believe there will be rapture based on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I am curious what this means to you?

1 Thessalonians 4

The Return of the Lord

13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

This is the return of Jesus and the 1st resurrection (all of the saved who are resting in the grave) and the translation of the saved who are living at the time.
 
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Praise God; only about 10+/- years and Jesus will be King over all the earth!

He already is. He's the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Further, the Scriptures say,
"The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein, for he has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the rivers." - Psalm 24:1-2

-CryptoLutheran
 
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And many scholars believe HIllel is far more accurate than you claim him not to be. So that is a Mexican standoff.


So you think the stuff Daniel sealed up to our understanding were accurate dates?

Could you show the allusion to 6,000 years? I do not doubt it just simply because since 1948 we have been in the end times and wee are around 6k years, but , I see no veiled references that the human time frame was to be 7,000 years.

In millennial Kingdom there is a separate Church and Israel. In teh church age there is only the body of christ composed of Jew and gentile.

But the promises to Israel did not transfer over to the Church!

Actually no believers will be in the Holy Land when Jesus returns! The antiChrist has had Jerusalem as His Capitol since the mid point of the trib and declared all out genocide against Jews and Christians.

The Construct of REv. 7 shows a cause and effect ! Those masses are the result of the sealing of the 12,000 from 12 tribes of Israel. IOW they are souls won during the trib!
A bunch of opinion, bereft of scriptural support. I and the Bible disagree with all of it.
You obviously haven't really studied what I posted. I realize that what you believe, blocks you from a true understanding of God's plans.

The Bible doesn't give dates; it gives time periods. Believe them or not; your choice.
This is the return of Jesus and the 1st resurrection (all of the saved who are resting in the grave) and the translation of the saved who are living at the time.
This idea contradicts Revelation 20:4-5 & 11-15, where it is only after the Millennium that all the dead will rise to Judgment. Excepting the Trib martyrs.
And only then is immortality conferred on those whose names are Written in the Book of Life.
He already is. He's the King of kings and Lord of lords.
Jesus has the authority, but for now remains sitting at the right hand of the Father, in heaven. Psalms 110:1-2
Its statements like yours, that make secular people look at us Christians as though we are some kind of nutters.
Why don't you believe observable facts?
 
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A bunch of opinion, bereft of scriptural support. I and the Bible disagree with all of it.
You obviously haven't really studied what I posted. I realize that what you believe, blocks you from a true understanding of God's plans.

The Bible doesn't give dates; it gives time periods. Believe them or not; your choice.

This idea contradicts Revelation 20:4-5 & 11-15, where it is only after the Millennium that all the dead will rise to Judgment. Excepting the Trib martyrs.
And only then is immortality conferred on those whose names are Written in the Book of Life.

Jesus has the authority, but for now remains sitting at the right hand of the Father, in heaven. Psalms 110:1-2
Its statements like yours, that make secular people look at us Christians as though we are some kind of nutters.
Why don't you believe observable facts?

So do you believe in annihilation of the lost?

Well Most would say you and your imposition on the bible disagree, but that is Okay! I hope for 6,000 years, but I can't make a case for it! Even with your work!

But given that Israel has been using their calendar for millenia and they are the most studious sort, Just you saying they are wrong is not enough to make an authoritative case.

I read your dates, I will look back at the beginning post to see if I missed anything

You wrote:
"This idea contradicts Revelation 20:4-5 & 11-15, where it is only after the Millennium that all the dead will rise to Judgment. Excepting the Trib martyrs.
And only then is immortality conferred on those whose names are Written in the Book of Life"

Not in the least! At the rapture Church saints who died will be granted their resurrection bodies!

By the beginning of the Millennium, the OT saints will be granted their glorified bodies so they may reign for 1,000 years in fulfillment of the covenant God made with Abraham and His descendants! Jesus implicitly confirmed this in Acts 1! The spirits of the OT saints are already in heaven, Ephesians declares this. anyone not resurrected at the first resurrection at the beginning of the Millennium will be subject to teh second death! Being cast into the lake of fire to suffer forever!

They were in Abraham's Bosom/Paradise until Jesus ascended! Now all who die- their spirit goes to bew with the Lord!
 
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This idea is stated nowhere in the Bible. Jesus refutes it; John 3:13
Even Pauls prophecy in 1 Thess 4:17, never says that heaven is the destination, people just add that to suit the 'rapture to heaven' belief. It is just a gathering to where Jesus is, initially in the clouds, then in Jerusalem for the Millennium. Proved by Matthew 24:30-31

We are at the very edge of the end times events commencing. First to happen will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. Isaiah 30:26 & 66:15-17, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 4:7, +. This sudden and shocking strike, will devastate and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, +
Then the rest of the prophesies will occur, as described in Revelation, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.


So let me ask you a few questions.

Do you believe the first 5 seals have already taken place? What events fulfilled them?

Do you believe the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 have been fulfilled already? When did this happen? When did Israel start burning weapons of war for fuel (Russia make sweapons out of lignostone)
 
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I apologize if this question has already been asked.

I am wondering if anyone believes that we are in last days based on prophecies and why. If you do not think so, I would also like to know why you think this.

Thanks in advance!
It seems as we travel through time on this planet that the world's problems seem to be escalating and accelerating.

How far into the future will mankind be able to survive on this planet? There is already talk taking place now that life on this planet may be in peril. It is not whether life can be sustained on this planet that is being discussed now, but how long we may have left.

The north and south poles cannot undergo melting without the world's climate being profoundly affected. This melting is accelerating and there is not much we can do about it, in fact, the melting will continue no matter what we do.

The future promises to be apocalyptic and the latest scientific research is confirming this to be the case.

Luke 21:25-26
There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world.

The roaring of the seas is very possible with the melting polar caps and a warming ocean.

Revelation 16:21
And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

Are very large hail stones possible in a catastrophic climate scenario of the future?
 
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So do you believe in annihilation of the lost?
Read Revelation 20:15. I would think that being flung into the Lake of Fire, means annihilation. I could be wrong, maybe the ungodly wicked burn forever, but my belief, from what I know of God's nature, is the LoF is the end for them.
Well Most would say you and your imposition on the bible disagree, but that is Okay! I hope for 6,000 years, but I can't make a case for it! Even with your work!
Explain please how you can disagree with 47 Bible verses that simply add up to the result I presented? Calling correct exegesis an 'imposition' is an indictment on you.
Not in the least! At the rapture Church saints who died will be granted their resurrection bodies!
Sheer speculation and unbiblical assumption! Revelation 20:4 is crystal clear: it will be ONLY the Trib martyrs who will be raised at the Return.
Please desist in making assertions like this without genuine Bible support.
By the beginning of the Millennium, the OT saints will be granted their glorified bodies so they may reign for 1,000 years in fulfillment of the covenant God made with Abraham and His descendants! Jesus implicitly confirmed this in Acts 1! The spirits of the OT saints are already in heaven, Ephesians declares this. anyone not resurrected at the first resurrection at the beginning of the Millennium will be subject to teh second death! Being cast into the lake of fire to suffer forever!
More assumptions, bereft of scriptural support.
Daniel 12:13, will 'sleep' until the end of the final age.
EVERYONE who has ever lived will stand before God at the GWT, after the Millennium.
Do you believe the first 5 seals have already taken place? What events fulfilled them?
I do.
The almost continuous wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters since re first century, fulfill Seals 1-4. If any of those had been much worse, mankind would have perished. But it is plain to everyone, [except those blinded by false beliefs] that the Fifth Seal was opened at Jesus Ascension and Stephens was the first soul to be placed under the heavenly Altar.
Do you believe the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 have been fulfilled already?
No. The G/M attack awaits the establishment of a Christian nation in all of the holy Land, as is well prophesied. Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26, Ezekiel 34:11-16. +
 
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The future promises to be apocalyptic and the latest scientific research is confirming this to be the case.
The Bible prophets promise apocalypse!
As a Christian Bible believer, I assume; why do you think that the media hyped 'Global Warming - Climate Change', is anything other than the agenda of the globalists and the gnomes of Zurich, etc?

And many secular scientists too; are warning about a probable worldwide disaster of a natural event and the one that is most likely is a Coronal Mass Ejection of an unprecedented magnitude. Exactly what Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3, + say.
 
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Read Revelation 20:15. I would think that being flung into the Lake of Fire, means annihilation. I could be wrong, maybe the ungodly wicked burn forever, but my belief, from what I know of God's nature, is the LoF is the end for them.

Explain please how you can disagree with 47 Bible verses that simply add up to the result I presented? Calling correct exegesis an 'imposition' is an indictment on you.

Sheer speculation and unbiblical assumption! Revelation 20:4 is crystal clear: it will be ONLY the Trib martyrs who will be raised at the Return.
Please desist in making assertions like this without genuine Bible support.

More assumptions, bereft of scriptural support.
Daniel 12:13, will 'sleep' until the end of the final age.
EVERYONE who has ever lived will stand before God at the GWT, after the Millennium.

I do.
The almost continuous wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters since re first century, fulfill Seals 1-4. If any of those had been much worse, mankind would have perished. But it is plain to everyone, [except those blinded by false beliefs] that the Fifth Seal was opened at Jesus Ascension and Stephens was the first soul to be placed under the heavenly Altar.

No. The G/M attack awaits the establishment of a Christian nation in all of the holy Land, as is well prophesied. Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26, Ezekiel 34:11-16. +
Read Revelation 20:15. I would think that being flung into the Lake of Fire, means annihilation. I could be wrong, maybe the ungodly wicked burn forever, but my belief, from what I know of God's nature, is the LoF is the end for them.

Explain please how you can disagree with 47 Bible verses that simply add up to the result I presented? Calling correct exegesis an 'imposition' is an indictment on you.

Sheer speculation and unbiblical assumption! Revelation 20:4 is crystal clear: it will be ONLY the Trib martyrs who will be raised at the Return.
Please desist in making assertions like this without genuine Bible support.

More assumptions, bereft of scriptural support.
Daniel 12:13, will 'sleep' until the end of the final age.
EVERYONE who has ever lived will stand before God at the GWT, after the Millennium.

I do.
The almost continuous wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters since re first century, fulfill Seals 1-4. If any of those had been much worse, mankind would have perished. But it is plain to everyone, [except those blinded by false beliefs] that the Fifth Seal was opened at Jesus Ascension and Stephens was the first soul to be placed under the heavenly Altar.

No. The G/M attack awaits the establishment of a Christian nation in all of the holy Land, as is well prophesied. Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26, Ezekiel 34:11-16. +


As for the Lake of Fire. If Rev. 20 was the only thought on it I would agree

Jesus in the gospels spoke of the lake as gehenna where the worm never dies and there will be perpetual wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Rev. 14 also says those who take the mark will NOT be destroyed but tormented forever.

You:
"Sheer speculation and unbiblical assumption! Revelation 20:4 is crystal clear: it will be ONLY the Trib martyrs who will be raised at the Return.
Please desist in making assertions like this without genuine Bible support."

Well I do no t assert!

The Dead in Christ are raised at the rapture! So they are already resurrected.

The OT saints are raised to join their spirit/souls sometime before the millennium so that they can rule the earth under Jesus! That was and still is God's promise to Israel!

You have to look at all the Bible!

You write:
"I do.
The almost continuous wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters since re first century, fulfill Seals 1-4. If any of those had been much worse, mankind would have perished. But it is plain to everyone, [except those blinded by false beliefs] that the Fifth Seal was opened at Jesus Ascension and Stephens was the first soul to be placed under the heavenly Altar."

So who is the rider of the white horse given a bow and crown?

The 2nd horse takes peace froom th eearth. Prior to 1914 when was there a world war??

Third horse. When was there a global famine?

Fourth horse. when was 1/4th the earth killed by war famine and beasts?


You:
"More assumptions, bereft of scriptural support.
Daniel 12:13, will 'sleep' until the end of the final age.
EVERYONE who has ever lived will stand before God at the GWT, after the Millennium."

You are just plain wrong! The Body of Christ has already stood at teh Bema throne and never appear at the GWT!

OT saints have been living in their covenanted kingdom for 1000 years- they are already saved and judged. They were resurrected when Jesus ascended ! Once again it takes the whole Bible to understand.
REV>20:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

According to you any saved person who missed the first resurrection- the second death has authority over them:

Power:
ἐξουσία
Transliteration
exousia
Pronunciation
eks-ü-sē'-ä ἔξεστι (G1832) (in the sense of ability)
Greek Inflections of ἐξουσία
mGNT
102x in 7 unique form(s) TR
103x in 7 unique form(s) LXX
17x in 5 unique form(s)
ἐξουσία — 12x
ἐξουσίᾳ — 16x
ἐξουσίαι — 3x
ἐξουσίαις — 3x
ἐξουσίαν — 56x
ἐξουσίας — 12x
ἐξουσιῶν — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: power (69x), authority (29x), right (2x), liberty (1x), jurisdiction (1x), strength (1x).

This power means authority or jurisdiction.

No No NO! The second resurrection is only for those who died unsaved throughout history and those who were killed by the Lord during the Millennium! The survivors of the trb will go into the Millennial Kingdom and will repopulate the earth. People will have till their hundredth birthday to receive Christ, or they will die!

Is. 65: 17-25
 
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For Keras:

You're wrong about the Gog Magog invasion! The one in Revelation happens at the end of the millenium right before the establishment of the eternal order. Satan is in charge and gather people from around the world!

Ezekiel 38-39 is a totally different war.

Gog is in charge and he only has a limited number of allies. it results in destruction of the armies and a world wide revival. Israel uses the weapons for fuel for 7 years (we need fuel in eternity?????) They are burying the dead for 7 months after.

Tghese are two seperate battles fought at two separate times. One at least 3 1/2 years b efore the tribulation starts and one after the millennium is finished!

Ezekiel shows nations complaining rev. doesn't.
 
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A bunch of opinion, bereft of scriptural support. I and the Bible disagree with all of it.
You obviously haven't really studied what I posted. I realize that what you believe, blocks you from a true understanding of God's plans.

The Bible doesn't give dates; it gives time periods. Believe them or not; your choice.

This idea contradicts Revelation 20:4-5 & 11-15, where it is only after the Millennium that all the dead will rise to Judgment. Excepting the Trib martyrs.
And only then is immortality conferred on those whose names are Written in the Book of Life.

Jesus has the authority, but for now remains sitting at the right hand of the Father, in heaven. Psalms 110:1-2
Its statements like yours, that make secular people look at us Christians as though we are some kind of nutters.
Why don't you believe observable facts?

The Return of the Lord

The 1st resurrection happens when Jesus returns and ALL the saved are taken to heaven with Him and in heaven is where the 1,000 years are spent. After the 1,000 years the 2nd resurrection (of the condemned) takes place.

1 Corinthians 6

3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

1 Thessalonians 4

13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18Therefore encourage one another with these words.
 
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The Dead in Christ are raised at the rapture! So they are already resurrected.
Your bad, there is no 'rapture to heaven' or any resurrection until the end of the Millennium. The only exception is the Trib martyrs, as per Rev 20:4
There is plenty of evidence of the effects of the Seals 1-4. History makes some shocking reading, of how all those disasters have decimated mankind over the last 2000 years. But the undeniable proof is the martyrs souls, the millions murdered,most often in horrible ways, since Stephen and continuing on today.

You still fail to provide any scriptural support for your opinions and assumptions.
Ezekiel 38-39 is a totally different war.
Don't know where you got the idea I thought anything else.
Ezekiel 38-39 will happen before Jesus Returns, Revelation 20:7-10 is plainly after the Millennium.
 
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Your bad, there is no 'rapture to heaven' or any resurrection until the end of the Millennium. The only exception is the Trib martyrs, as per Rev 20:4
There is plenty of evidence of the effects of the Seals 1-4. History makes some shocking reading, of how all those disasters have decimated mankind over the last 2000 years. But the undeniable proof is the martyrs souls, the millions murdered,most often in horrible ways, since Stephen and continuing on today.

You still fail to provide any scriptural support for your opinions and assumptions.

Don't know where you got the idea I thought anything else.
Ezekiel 38-39 will happen before Jesus Returns, Revelation 20:7-10 is plainly after the Millennium.


Well I will give one proof that destroys your post millennial resurrection hypothesis. I do not know if you believe in the biblical rapture or not so I will leave that aside.

Revelation 19:7-9 King James Version (KJV)
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

This scene is in heaven! Prior to Jesus' return to establish the millennial kingdom!

It is not the OT saints for even JOhn the Baptist called himselkf not the bride but a friend of teh bridegroom.

Jesus said the least ion the kingdom was greater than John!

Jesus in parable spoke of the wedding:

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

And who is the bride of christ? None other than the church!

2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

See the words! Now we are the espoused! In revelation in heaven before the millennial even starts , the bride and groom celebrate their marriage!

So the church has to get to heaven before Jesus returns to earth! And its works to be judged at teh bema seat judgment! And rewards given (the crowns which John saw the elders casting before Jesus feet

Revelation 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

What are the rewards the church gets?? CROWNS!

If you would like some in depth studies on the rapture and the church as the bride:

Come and See - Topics
MSS 113, 39, 03

They are free to download and copy.

A much greater study of these is found in His text on Eschatology "The Footsteps of the Messiah."

I apologize for thinking that you held Ezekiel 38 as after the millennium
 
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Your bad, there is no 'rapture to heaven' or any resurrection until the end of the Millennium. The only exception is the Trib martyrs, as per Rev 20:4
There is plenty of evidence of the effects of the Seals 1-4. History makes some shocking reading, of how all those disasters have decimated mankind over the last 2000 years. But the undeniable proof is the martyrs souls, the millions murdered,most often in horrible ways, since Stephen and continuing on today.

You still fail to provide any scriptural support for your opinions and assumptions.

Don't know where you got the idea I thought anything else.
Ezekiel 38-39 will happen before Jesus Returns, Revelation 20:7-10 is plainly after the Millennium.


I had a suggestion that I thought I had posted but it isn't here.

If you are so certain your dating hypothesis is correct why not follow the biblical advice and let it be established by two or three witnesses? I am not talking about you rcircle of people but bring it to outsiders who have no interest in you per se'and can look and study with a far more objective and biblical look.

I propose you send your material to Johnathan Kahn, a messianic Jewish pastor in New York City, who has written several books, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a messianic Jew who I consider to be one of the best teachers in the whole body of Christ. He had studied to be a rebbe(chief rabbi over rabbis) before he was saved, and also to Hebrew University in Israel. The orthodox rabbis there eat that kind of minutiae up and would love to investigate this matter to approve or discredit it!

This way your work would have great credibility or you would have other believers who fully understand the Jewish Calendar, and Jews who delve into this, tell you why you erred.
 
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