So, when you read in the Bible "Bring me my cloak I left in Troas", it was God speaking?
Sorry, I cannot find that anywhere in the scriptures, from my searches. Can you please give me the chapter and verse?
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So, when you read in the Bible "Bring me my cloak I left in Troas", it was God speaking?
Just the kind of perverse logic one might expect from a person who believes 6 impossible things before his breakfast.
My salvation does not depend upon me believing your interpretation of every verse of God inspired scripture.
You can make of it what you like, that is your affair, but don't start telling me what I must believe in order to be saved. Look to your own salvation and how you regard TRUTH.
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The mention of his cloak and the books or parchments, would have significance in their being written in the text. I am not a theologian, but, if you talk to people who unravel the bible through all the layers.... you will find that there is a reason for the scriptures to include this information.So, when you read in the Bible "Bring me my cloak I left in Troas", it was God speaking?
Your view of the Bible is wrong, God did not need any cloak. Authors are humans. God revealed the path of salvation through them, but the Bible is not dictated.
I get the math works out but that's a lot of assumptions.
Just one.... I think I already posted that God spoke directly to Moses and even wrote much of it with His finger in stone.Abraham also didn't write Genesis, how many people did it take for it to get to Moses?
Take it as you will.I almost get it as it's a single line, however, after Abraham, Isacc and Jacob that single lines split into every single Hebrew where every household has their own unique line traced back to Jacob. Since there were not a organized nation we should be expected wide variations and when your stronger, smarter and all round better neighbours have the same account you may tend to pick up some of their versions.
...Prevailing evidence. Would you like to learn how we know?
Nope. Your new revision of scripture contradicts it, but no one cares; common descent is consistent with God's actual Word.
God only tells us that the world brought forth living things, but does not tell us how that happened.....
Wow.... just wow..... "fake intellectual"..... "morons".... "retards"........
And, evolution is not??????
Just one.... I think I already posted that God spoke directly to Moses and even wrote much of it with His finger in stone.
The point I was making is that it is not something passed down generation to generation over thousands of years... deeming it untrustworthy.. It was very important and recorded... Not only that but the eye witness to much of it were not that many people back in the times.
As I explained... Adam knew Methuselah....who knew Shem.. who knew Abraham. That's three conversations away from the event. Not to mention it is written in the Word of God.......
Not only that, but much of the bible was written by God's own finger, in stone. Not just the 10 commandments
Only a YE creationist could find an expression of faith in God the Creator, to be objectionable.
So, you don't believe that these are actual events?
Your salvation does depend on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Just like all humans...
Do you believe that He was born of a virgin, lived the life as described in the gospels... fulfilled all the prophesies from the OT, died, was buried and rose again?
All these things are supernatural.. How can you be saved if you don't believe them?
You cannot...
Salvation does not depend on the creation story... Your salvation and the gospel that explains it, is from the same book that you deny for how it was created.
Where do you draw the line as to what is reality... and what is just a story?
1 Cor.1:22.So, you don't believe that these are actual events?
What makes you think I have no grasp of that?Your salvation does depend on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Just like all humans...
Yes, but that is not the most essential factor concerning his ministry on earth. Like us, if he was truly human, as I believe he was, he had no control whatever over the method of his conception and birth. He had some control over the life he lived, his character, and perceived mission, some of the details of which are recorded by his enthusiastic followers, inspired by The Holy Spirit.Do you believe that He was born of a virgin,
lived the life as described in the gospels... fulfilled all the prophesies from the OT, died, was buried and rose again?
Salvation does not depend on the creation story... Your salvation and the gospel that explains it, is from the same book that you deny for how it was created.
Where do you draw the line as to what is reality... and what is just a story?
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My salvation does not depend on a book. Neither does it depend on my intellectual assent to what the book contains. My salvation and your salvation and everyone's salvation depends entirely upon what Jesus Christ did when he died and what God has done ever since that event, and whether my heart's intent is to offer God my life in gratitude.
Great, so let's assume there was a dark evening and a light day. Works for me.It does matter, just based on the type of arguments you have presented.
I don't understand why you are forcing your made answer of God's "hovering" causing light, even going to the point of quoting 1Jo 1:5 which you should have been smart enough to use common sense to know that is a metaphor especially given the context of the chapter and how it's on the topic of spirituality than natural science.
More like photons consist because of God than the other way round. For by Him do all things consist! Not only that, but light in our world can ebb and flowUnless you are now going to tell me God is composed of Photons, then quoting that verse for your case is completely laughable.
Light could be parted so that part of the earth was light!! Do you and science know how? No way! HahaYou clearly don't understand don't understand the point of what I am asking. I'm asking about the "1st day". As Genesis states there was a "First day" after the morning and evening was established, however how can there be an actual "first-day" at the same exact day for the entire world, given it's a sphere and when one side is experiencing morning - the other is experiencing night?
When Paul was knocked off his horse by seeing the light from God, he sure figured some light was being emitted from God! God can emit just fine any way He likes.But there is still nothing in that verse that states that he was omitting light. So your guessed out answer and scriptural inventing is invalid (not to mention completely irrelevant to my point).
Yes of course days existed before the sun and will exist when the sun goes out! Days are not dependent on the universe we know!Also, i do have a verse in where there was no "days before the sun existed". Gen 1:5 states it. "Morning and Night" and the "1st day" was established after the light and darkness was separated.
Since it says God was the light of it, your point is routed and mooted.This is irrelevant. For all we know, this "New Jerusalem" could be a new Earth with a New Sun and this is a ridiculous answer for you to use.
My bad, not sure what I was thinking about, there obviously were days, since we had mornings and Evenings. What we did not have would be days as a result of the sun.Where does it say this?
God knows how to part light. Science doesn't. For creation realities we cannot look to demon science. The quest of demon science is to cast doubt on the very word of God.Looks like you are slowly admitting that the Bible isn't meant to be a science book and should not be used as a source for scientific facts.
He spoke so it happened. His word made the uiverse and the light and the sun, and all things. When He speaks and says let there be morning and evening, you can bet the farm there will be. Why preach baseless doubt?I don't care about your assumptions. Unless you can show me in Geneis 1:1-2 that he is causing light, then you are simply just making this up.
Funny you should say that.*Face palm.. some people here honestly make me feel embarrassed to be associated with Christianity.
You seriously take in no importance to facts, reason, or being intelligent. I will surely use your posts as an example in the other boards in where other faiths can talk, just so others can see how many christians here are anti-intellectuals.
Why are we going to assume that when it's not written? You have the world being spoken in it's entirety with no specific details to solve this concern.Great, so let's assume there was a dark evening and a light day. Works for me.
But Gen 1 doesn't say he was lighting anything, infact on the 3 verse he makes light so anything before v3 has 0 talks of anything light. You are just inserting your own stuff.The same guy God gave the book of Revelation to knew that God can light the universe as well as the earth. The physical does have parallels in the spiritual, that does not take away from the reality of either, but adds to it! Since God is the light of New Jerusalem, to say God is Light has more meaning that just some spiritual one.
More like photons consist because of God than the other way round. For by Him do all things consist! Not only that, but light in our world can ebb and flow at the wish and will and command of God as needed! That also means that, although He could easily have been the Light hovering for the earth in creation week's early days, that all He really has to do is wish/will light to assume the position of day and night here!!!! Now that I think about it, I am leaning towards that opinion. In any case it was zero problem whatsoever.
There is still nothing in that Gen 1 saying he is omitting light. Sorry, your creative writing is meaningless. I notice you like saying "ha" at the end, which means that you really are not to be taken seriously.One further indication that God can have light come or go as needed is when the earth stayed light in the battle of Joshua! Possibly independent of the sun even? Then there was the darkness when Jesus died for three hours mid day! People always look for 'natural' explanations, ones that include the sun and other bodies having caused the darkness or light. No. Ha.
I've been arguing a kid through out this whole time.Job 38: 19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, 20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? 21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great? 24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
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Light could be parted so that part of the earth was light!! Do you and science know how? No way! Haha
Well generally because we trust the record of creation.
But, wait a minutes, don't you find the expression of YECism objectionable?
But there was still no light being omitted by God to light the earth, because Genesis 3 shows him creating the earth's source of light (the sun). And then he separates morning and night..When Paul was knocked off his horse by seeing the light from God, he sure figured some light was being emitted from God! God can emit just fine any way He likes.
Yes of course days existed before the sun and will exist when the sun goes out! Days are not dependent on the universe we know!
Since you are not capable of comprehending that there is nothing in Gen 1 stating that he was an actual light source prior to the earth. Why don't you then go on the actual argument taking in Gen 3 onwards where he creates the 1st day. I don't understand why you are sticking with your Gen 1 insertions out of nowhere and staying away from this?Since it says God was the light of it, your point is routed and mooted.
But since the Earth is a globe, then how can the earth exactly have a 1st day?my bad, not sure what I was thinking about, there obviously were days, since we had mornings and Evenings. What we did not have would be days as a result of the sun.
You really are just trolling. You've made it highly evident that you are not intellectually ready to have a mature and educated debate. Good job being a new example for an atheist to link to as an example of why Christianity "can't be taken seriously".God knows how to part light. Science doesn't. For creation realities we cannot look to demon science. The quest of demon science is to cast doubt on the very word of God.
He spoke so it happened. His word made the uiverse and the light and the sun, and all things. When He speaks and says let there be morning and evening, you can bet the farm there will be. Why preach baseless doubt?
Funny you should say that.
Haha
If you think the mornings were dark, or evenings light, well, you should have some reason or biblical support.Why are we going to assume that when it's not written? You have the world being spoken in it's entirety with no specific details to solve this concern.
Not sure how you missed in my past arguments that God lit the world in creation week.This is highly contradictory for you to say, especially based on your past arguments.
We know light was created in this world. It was here as Genesis says by the time the FIRST evening and morning existed here.But Gen 1 doesn't say he was lighting anything, infact on the 3 verse he makes light so anything before v3 has 0 talks of anything light. You are just inserting your own stuff.
I understand the agony of not comprehending the light. There is help.Why would i care about your opinions? Why are you that deluded to think that all of this that you have creatively came up with as answers are anything intelligent? It's like you've resolved into trolling now with acting silly on purpose because this is the only way you can avoid admission that you've been completely refuted.
If He parted light and darkness (in a way science has no clue about) then earth would have mornings and evenings, as it did! Now we also know He (who can light the universe) was also right here over the planet. moving. It doesn't make sense to argue above your pay grade about how God lit the earth and divided the light for evenings and mornings. We either believe He did, as He says or we do not. Choose ye this day which side you are on.There is still nothing in that Gen 1 saying he is omitting light. Sorry, your creative writing is meaningless. I notice you like saying "ha" at the end, which means that you really are not to be taken seriously.
Flattery will get you no where.I've been arguing a kid through out this whole time.
Sorry, I don't hold to the whole "space alien" view...