Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
To bad that Darwin, supposedly a Christian, thought out loud and put it to paper.. Since then it his musings have lead to one of the biggest anti God, anti biblical views and a strong foot hold for atheists to stumble on....

Only a YE creationist could find an expression of faith in God the Creator, to be objectionable.

Darwin was one of the biggest "stumbling blocks" in the history of this world, to those unbelievers who are searching for truth.

It wasn't until the 20th century that those opposed to an omnipotent God created YEC and a smaller god was back in the ball game.

Of course Satan took the ball and ran with it.

Yep. YEC will have much to answer for, at Judgement.

JacksBratt · May 25, 2019

ExTiff said:
They are not coming to church because of the lame brained idiots who have turned Genesis into a fairy story and insist it is history. Then do fake intellectual sumersaults to convince everyone that they know what they are talking about. Few people want to be associated with such morons.

Meanwhile the deep insights into human psychology woven into the Genesis narrative by its authors and editors go completely ignored by the retards who take it as literal history in the face of all reason.

Wow.... just wow..... "fake intellectual"..... "morons".... "retards"....

Man, you need to get over yourself. Seriously....

Do you believe Jesus walked on water? If you do, why are you not a retard or moron... that is scientifically impossible.

Do you believe that Jesus turned water to wine, instantly? Again scientifically impossible. Is that not moronic?

Do you believe that Jesus fed over 5000 people with two fish and five little buns? Oh man, how is that even possible... is that not a retarded idea... even moronic to state?

Do you believe that Jesus put the ear of a soldier back on the side of his head, after it was cut of with a sword? What a complete moronic idea... only a retard would believe such a thing....

Do you get the picture here?

You believe all these things, which are outlandish and scientifically impossible....for one reason... deny them and you deny your salvation.

Yet, you will not believe the Creation account, which is totally possible for God to do... and He has told you in His Word, that He did it.

This is why kids are leaving the church.. you tell them that all the events of Christ's life are true.. but deny the very first book of His word.

How are you even credible?

JacksBratt · May 25, 2019

The Barbarian said:
It comes down to evidence. You lose. The "space alien designer" is just another golden calf, erected by those for whom an omnipotent Creator is too big and capable for them to accept Him.

Who said anything about "Space aliens"?

JacksBratt · May 25, 2019

The Barbarian said:
Only a YE creationist could find an expression of faith in God the Creator, to be objectionable.

It wasn't until the 20th century that those opposed to an omnipotent God created YEC and a smaller god was back in the ball game.

Yep. YEC will have much to answer for, at Judgement.

So, taking God's word as it is written.. I will be held accountable? Seriously?

Or, should I take the so called "wisdom" of men... in place of God's wisdom?

I have no worries.

JacksBratt · May 25, 2019

DamianWarS said:
You mistake what I am saying. I'm not saying they couldn't read and write or that reading or writing wasn't around, I'm saying they valued passing information through oral accounts not written accounts.

Probably true... we still do that today... However the seriously important records of history are recorded and protected in permanent types of medium... so that they will not be destroyed or skewed.....

They are in archives and protected from all forms of deterioration.

Do you not think that God would have this same idea with His accounts and important information? Especially for things like how HE created the universe and all that is in it?

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
So, taking God's word as it is written.. I will be held accountable? Seriously?

You don't take God's word as it is written. You have inserted your own desires into it, and are insisting that it's God's word. You're just substituting man's revisions of His word for the real thing.

Or, should I take the so called "wisdom" of men... in place of God's wisdom?

That is the path you are on, and it won't necessarily send you to hell. God doesn't care if you like the way He managed creation.

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Who said anything about "Space aliens"?

IDers. Philip Johnson, the guy who invented ID, said that the "designer" "Might be a space alien." That's what you're worshiping.

The real Creator would never be mistaken for a "space alien."

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

Barbarian observes:
Or a few common ancestors for different kinds of living things. He didn't know which. It wasn't until we understood genetics and DNA that it became clear that all living things on Earth have a common ancestor.

Calminian said:
This is definitely the prevailing dogma.

Prevailing evidence. Would you like to learn how we know?

Scripture contradicts it outright.

Nope. Your new revision of scripture contradicts it, but no one cares; common descent is consistent with God's actual Word.

Barbarian observes:
That isn't what the Bible presents. It doesn't say one way or the other. The difference is, that the Bible presents one story, and YE creationism presents an imaginative revision of the Bible.

How so?

God only tells us that the world brought forth living things, but does not tell us how that happened. The idea that He magically poofed them into existence one at a time, is not in scripture. It was an invention of a Seventh-Day Adventist "prophetess" in the 20th century.

1400 years ago, Christians realized that the creation account in Genesis was not a literal history. Your beliefs are a very modern invention.

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

Barbarian asks:
If you follow Him, why not just accept it His way?

Danielwright2311 said:
Why would i except his way?

Because He is your Creator, who loves you and deserves your love and obedience. His word is meant to help you and guide you to eternal life.

I do not follow this word and its views.

Pity.

trophy33 · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
God is the author of Genesis. In fact He is the author of the entire canon.... Do you think that He, that created this universe and all the laws that govern it...was not a scientist? Or, infinitely more intelligent than any man?

So, when you read in the Bible "Bring me my cloak I left in Troas", it was God speaking?

Your view of the Bible is wrong, God did not need any cloak. Authors are humans. God revealed the path of salvation through them, but the Bible is not dictated.

Danielwright2311 · May 25, 2019

The Barbarian said:
Because He is your Creator, who loves you and deserves your love and obedience. His word is meant to help you and guide you to eternal life.

He was talking about Darwin, Not God.

The Barbarian said:
Pity.

Pity that i don't follow Darwinism?

Before you address some one, make sure 100 percent what the conversation is about.

-57 · May 25, 2019

Calminian said:
No, but creation is miraculous, while evolution is framed with naturalistic assumptions. If you disagree, you destroy the scientific aspect of evolution. If you insist that evolution needs God's intervention—miracles—then there really is no need for a naturalistic method of investigation. Once a miracle is required, the whole theory crashes.

A miracle is required for Christ resurrection. Did that crash?

ExTiff · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Wow.... just wow..... "fake intellectual"..... "morons".... "retards"....

Man, you need to get over yourself. Seriously....

Do you believe Jesus walked on water? If you do, why are you not a retard or moron... that is scientifically impossible.

Do you believe that Jesus turned water to wine, instantly? Again scientifically impossible. Is that not moronic?

Do you believe that Jesus fed over 5000 people with two fish and five little buns? Oh man, how is that even possible... is that not a retarded idea... even moronic to state?

Do you believe that Jesus put the ear of a soldier back on the side of his head, after it was cut of with a sword? What a complete moronic idea... only a retard would believe such a thing....

Do you get the picture here?

You believe all these things, which are outlandish and scientifically impossible....for one reason... deny them and you deny your salvation.

Yet, you will not believe the Creation account, which is totally possible for God to do... and He has told you in His Word, that He did it.

This is why kids are leaving the church.. you tell them that all the events of Christ's life are true.. but deny the very first book of His word.

How are you even credible?

Just the kind of perverse logic one might expect from a person who believes 6 impossible things before his breakfast.

You believe all these things, which are outlandish and scientifically impossible....for one reason... deny them and you deny your salvation.

There may be explanations for all these things which science and the inginuity of man currently is unaware of. In the mean time I rely upon my personal experience of being baptised in the Holy Spirit and equipped for every good work.

The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 Tim.2:19-21.

My salvation does not depend upon me believing your interpretation of every verse of God inspired scripture.

You can make of it what you like, that is your affair, but don't start telling me what I must believe in order to be saved. Look to your own salvation and how you regard TRUTH.
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DamianWarS · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
As I explained... Adam knew Methuselah....who knew Shem.. who knew Abraham. That's three conversations away from the event. Not to mention it is written in the Word of God...

I get the math works out but that's a lot of assumptions. Abraham also didn't write Genesis, how many people did it take for it to get to Moses? I almost get it as it's a single line, however, after Abraham, Isacc and Jacob that single lines split into every single Hebrew where every household has their own unique line traced back to Jacob. Since there were not a organized nation we should be expected wide variations and when your stronger, smarter and all round better neighbours have the same account you may tend to pick up some of their versions.

DamianWarS · May 25, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Probably true... we still do that today... However the seriously important records of history are recorded and protected in permanent types of medium... so that they will not be destroyed or skewed.....

They are in archives and protected from all forms of deterioration.

Do you not think that God would have this same idea with His accounts and important information? Especially for things like how HE created the universe and all that is in it?

there is a lot of mythology in what you say that cannot be supported. and I'm the one making things up. some magically lost tablet protected by the flood and written by Enoch, not an ounce of evidence biblical or otherwise to support this and completely unrealistic

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

Barbarian observes:
Because He is your Creator, who loves you and deserves your love and obedience. His word is meant to help you and guide you to eternal life.

Danielwright2311 said:
He was talking about Darwin, Not God.

You were responding to my comment, and I was talking about God.

(refusal to follow God)

Pity.

Pity that i don't follow Darwinism?

Pity you don't accept God's word His way. Before you address someone, make sure 100 percent what the conversation is about.

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

ExTiff said:
You can make of it what you like, that is your affair, but don't start telling me what I must believe in order to be saved. Look to your own salvation and how you regard TRUTH.

And we have today's winner.

The Barbarian · May 25, 2019

-57 said:
A miracle is required for Christ resurrection. Did that crash?

You think the Resurrection is science? I'm beginning to see what the problem is, here.

JacksBratt · May 25, 2019

The Barbarian said:
You don't take God's word as it is written. You have inserted your own desires into it, and are insisting that it's God's word. You're just substituting man's revisions of His word for the real thing.

And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Even from the very first day... I take it exactly how it was written. To the extent that others have to tell me that it should not be taken literally.

The Barbarian said:
That is the path you are on, and it won't necessarily send you to hell. God doesn't care if you like the way He managed creation.

Or are you counting on the fact that He won't care if you don't believe that He created it the way He said that He did?

JacksBratt · May 25, 2019

The Barbarian said:
IDers. Philip Johnson, the guy who invented ID, said that the "designer" "Might be a space alien." That's what you're worshiping.

The real Creator would never be mistaken for a "space alien."

Sorry, I don't hold to the whole "space alien" view... So, don't assume.

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