ALABAMA LEGISLATORS REFUSE TO FUND MOTHER AND CHILD HEALTH CARE AS THEY BAN NEARLY ALL ABORTIONS

ChristianForCats said:

The problem is people can't afford to buy their own health insurance and depend on the state to get it. So if the state (in this case Alabama) refuses to pay single, unemployed or underemployed women for health care, they are stuck. Abortion can only be paid for by private insurance, thanks to Republicans refusing to include it in the ACA.

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So could you explain how one can consider not having the government provide you with something to be the equivalent of the government denying it to you? Is the government denying me a Ferrari because it does not buy me one. I can't afford a Ferrari so the government must be denying me one if the logic holds.

ChristianForCats said:

You might want to research the FDA, NIH, CDC, and USDA. Parents are responsible for their own kids, but it starts with the government's federal health care recommendations and research.

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I don't need to research anything to know that a parent's responsibility for their children is not contingent upon some government recommendation .

ChristianForCats said:

That is correct, but it does not include drugs which are prescribed for abortion or Plan B.

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Abortion? I was asking about birth control not considering abortion as a means of birth control . Perhaps I am in error not thinking of abortion as a birth control method but if all methods of birth control other than abortion are mandated as free, why would anyone opt for using abortion as their preferred method of birth control? If one has two ways of getting to point B from point A, but one is expensive and the other is free why would anyone choose to opt for the expensive one?

grasping the after wind said:

Abortion? I was asking about birth control not considering abortion as a means of birth control.

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The pro-abortion crowd does consider abortion as a means of birth control, without reservation, and therefore by default believes government should pay for them.

grasping the after wind said:

So could you explain how one can consider not having the government provide you with something to be the equivalent of the government denying it to you? Is the government denying me a Ferrari because it does not buy me one. I can't afford a Ferrari so the government must be denying me one if the logic holds.

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You can still buy another kind of car. Is that the best attempt at an analogy you can think of?

If you need Medicaid, you must apply and go through the hoops to prove your eligibility. So you ask for it and, if the government says you are ineligible, they are denying you health insurance.

Sistrin said:

The pro-abortion crowd does consider abortion as a means of birth control, without reservation, and therefore by default believes government should pay for them.

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It depends on the reason. If the mother needs an abortion because of a medical problem caused by being pregnant, that is not birth control; it is health care.

ChristianForCats said:

It depends on the reason. If the mother needs an abortion because of a medical problem caused by being pregnant, that is not birth control; it is health care.

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What does that have to do with my comment? I am illustrating the philosophy in practice by the pro-abortion crowd, a group which supports abortion at any time for any reason, up to and including the moments following the birth of a live, perfectly healthy child.

Sistrin said:

What does that have to do with my comment? I am illustrating the philosophy in practice by the pro-abortion crowd, a group which supports abortion at any time for any reason, up to and including the moments following the birth of a live, perfectly healthy child.

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I have stated many times "pro-choice" is not the same as supporting all abortions the whold 40 weeks.

ChristianForCats said:

You can still buy another kind of car. Is that the best attempt at an analogy you can think of?

If you need Medicaid, you must apply and go through the hoops to prove your eligibility. So you ask for it and, if the government says you are ineligible, they are denying you health insurance.

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No they are denying you free, and I might add top of the line, health insurance. Additionally, I was not talking about people saying health insurance was being denied but rather that hey were claiming that health care was being denied. How? They don't have federal marshals stationed at clinics, doctor's offices or hospital doors refusing people entrance. If the government has decided you make enough money to provide for your own health care that is not denying health care that is denying a hand out to someone that is perfectly capable of being responsible for their own needs.

ChristianForCats said:

I have stated many times "pro-choice" is not the same as supporting all abortions the whold 40 weeks.

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If a woman chooses to abort at 40 weeks up to the very second before birth, how would one be pro choice and not find that acceptable? What is the pro choice criterion for denying a woman the right to choose to abort?

grasping the after wind said:

If a woman chooses to abort at 40 weeks up to the very second before birth, how would one be pro choice and not find that acceptable? What is the pro choice criterion for denying a woman the right to choose to abort?

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What makes you think all pro-choice people support abortions up to the woman's due date?