Do creationists critically examine their own ideas (re: creationism)?

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God already told us all the truth , so your truth is not valid.
This statement does not even make sense.

Who am i going to believe truth from?
Examine sources and then decide.

Your evolution , or Gods own words?
Evolution is not mine, but if it happened, its God's.

God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, and on the 7th day he rested.
Yes, theologically. Not scientifically. 7 represents fullness, being ready for something (for man, in this case). And God is so powerful that He does not need any literal rest. Its all symbolic and anthropomorphic.

I'm pretty sure they knew when they wrote it what a day was.
They did, but you dont.

My God, has the power and the knowledge on how to create what he created in 6 days.
My God has the power to create everything in 6 nanoseconds or in 6 quadrilion of years. Its on Him which way He wants.
 
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This statement does not even make sense.


Examine sources and then decide.


Evolution is not mine, but if it happened, its God's.


Yes, theologically. Not scientifically. 7 represents fullness. And God is so powerful that He does not need any rest. Its all symbolic and anthropomorphic.


They did, but you dont.


My God has the power to create everything in 6 nanoseconds or in 6 quadrilion of years. Its on Him which way He wants.

See how you left out the whole

And the morning and the evening was the first day?^_^

You leave out all truth in your quoiting.

The morning is the morning, and the evening comes after the morning, a 24 hour period.
 
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See how you left out the whole

And the morning and the evening was the first day?

You leave out all truth in your quoiting.

The morning is the morning, and the evening comes after the morning, a 24 hour period.
Its symbolic, mythological, 6 cycles of creation. Read the Mesopotamian creation literature of that era and you will see.

Do not read it as written today, the authors of Genesis were not thinking as you are thinking, thats the reason you do not understand what the text is about.
 
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These guys certainly do, beginning with their feature film called, Is Genesis History? (which you can rent or buy at Amazon, just FYI).

Oh, yeah... about that. Um, none of them engage in any critical examination of their own ideas. In fact all of them are members organizations that have sworn to reject any and all evidence and data which contradicts their interpretation of Genesis. The posing of the title of the film as a question is particularly disingenuous. It really should have been phrased like the title of Devo's "Are we not men? We are Devo!"
Q. Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! - Wikipedia
Because they made the film knowing the answer - "Of course it is and we will do anything to demonstrate that it is so."
 
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You are twisting the scriptures to better fit your arguments.

Interestingclaim, because Creationists twist reality to fit their interpretation of Genesis.
 
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No, its word for word, there is no symbolic nature in it at all, period.
....Its funny how you would try to say its symbolic, that's funny to me.
...That's just like the devil who said
...lol,lol.
Its OK if you do not want to learn about the Bible, about those times, about the culture of writers, to understand the Scriptures properly.

Its OK to be lazy and just read it "as it is in English", with your understanding that differs from those authors by 4,000 years of cultural changes and to laugh at facts and helpful information.

Its OK to be ignorant regarding the Bible or science, your salvation is not at stake because of it.

The problem begins when few ignorant and unlearned Christians want to force their view upon others or fight with scientists, pushing their wrong literal reading of Genesis to schools, to churches or to public forums.
 
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Interestingclaim, because Creationists twist reality to fit their interpretation of Genesis.

No, Genesis is word for word.

The morning and the evening was the first day.

The sun goes up in the morning, the sun goes down in the evening.

No twist there.
 
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Its OK if you do not want to learn about the Bible, about those times, about the culture of writers, to understand the Scriptures.

Its OK to be lazy and just read it "as it is", with your understanding that differs by 4,000 years of cultural changes and to laugh at facts.

Its OK to be ignorant regarding the Bible or science, your salvation is not at stake because of it.

The problem begins when ignorant and unlearned Christians want to force their view upon others or fight with more learned people, pushing their wrong reading of Genesis to schools or to public forums.

What are you doing?

Your forcing your lies on me right now.

Hypocrite much?
 
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The sun goes up in the morning, the sun goes down in the evening.

You must read the text more carefully. First days were without the sun. So, "the morning and the evening" clause will not be related to sun in any way.

Just read more about this style of writing in Mesopotamia, you will understand more.
 
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What are you doing?

Your forcing your lies on me right now.

Hypocrite much?
I am trying to educate you more. You probably think that the Bible fell from heaven in your lifetime. It did not, it has its history and context.

You must know this history and context to understand what you read, properly.

Can you comprehend the idea that people in 2,000 BC thought and spoke differently than we do today? Yes/No.
 
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You must read the text more carefully. First days were without the sun. So, "the morning and the evening" clause will not be related to sun in any way.

Just read more about this style of writing in Mesopotamia, you will understand more.

WHAT????????

NO, LOL,

The Beginning

(John 1:1-5)



1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The First Day: Light

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The Second Day: Firmament

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The Third Day: Dry Ground

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it wasgood. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

The Fourth Day: Sun, Moon, Stars

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Fifth Day: Fish and Birds

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 
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I am trying to educate you more. You probably think that the Bible fell from heaven in your lifetime. It did not, it has its history and context.

You must know this history and context to understand what you read, properly.

Can you comprehend the idea that people in 2,000 BC thought and spoke differently than we do today? Yes/No.

I KNOW MORE THEN YOU, TRUST ME WHEN I SAY, THERE IS NOTHING YOU KNOW, I DO NOT.

I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT, ITS JUNK.
 
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WHAT????????

NO, LOL,

The Beginning

(John 1:1-5)



1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The First Day: Light

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The Second Day: Firmament

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The Third Day: Dry Ground

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it wasgood. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

The Fourth Day: Sun, Moon, Stars

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Fifth Day: Fish and Birds

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

You really cannot see that the sun was created on the fourth day, so "evening and morning" clause cannot be related to sun, but is a separator indicating the next stage of creation?
 
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I KNOW MORE THEN YOU, TRUST ME WHEN I SAY, THERE IS NOTHING YOU KNOW, I DO NOT.

I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT, ITS JUNK.
I doubt you know more when you show so much unwillingness to learn more about Scriptures and to seek truth.
If you are so lazy regarding the Holy Scriptures, how can we trust you that you are honest and careful regarding the issue of evolution etc.
 
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You really cannot see that the sun was created on the fourth day, so "evening and morning" clause cannot be related to sun, but is a separator indicating the next area of creation?

No, its a 24 hour period.

A day consists of the morning till the evening, a 25 hour period.

There was still 24 hours with no sun.
 
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I doubt you know more when you show so much unwillingness to learn more about Scriptures and to seek truth.
If you are so lazy regarding the Holy Scriptures, how can we trust you that you are honest and careful regarding the issue of evolution etc.

You have not shown one scripture nor tried to teach the bible.

look at your self, trying be be something your not.
 
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No, its a 24 hour period.

A day consists of the morning till the evening, a 25 hour period.

There was still 24 hours with no sun.
You are still ignoring the clear fact that these are not literal, orbital days, related to sun or to 24 hours. Not sure why you are still pushing this idea after you have been proven wrong.

Just read some Mesopotamian literature to understand the genre.

Do you understand and agree that people in 2,000 BC thought and spoke differently than we do today? Yes/No. I think you would not understand even a medieval literature.
 
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Do creationists critically examine their own ideas (re: creationism)?
What's to examine? an ion trail? plasma cloud? microwave background? time crystals?
 
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You are still ignoring the clear fact that these are not literal, orbital days, related to sun or to 24 hours. Not sure why you are still pushing this idea after you have been proven wrong.

Just read some Mesopotamian literature to understand the genre.

And your a Arthurian to twist the bible into what you want, you have no authority to say its not literal, none. That is your own opinion, nothing else, no facts in it.

You presented no fact to prove its literal or not.

King James would jail you and question you for your lies, lol.

Its like the devil coming to me and saying, follow me, just trust me, I will show you no proof, just believe my words ok?

Come on man, get a life.
 
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Come on man, get a life.
If you want to "get a life" instead of learning, its your choice. For Christians, living a life and learning/developing is a very similar thing. Christians do not live just to "get a life", its a modern American concept, unknown to Christianity.

This can help you, for the start:

 
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