Do creationists critically examine their own ideas (re: creationism)?

I've never encountered one who did.

pitabread said:

Per the title.

And if the answer is yes, how do creationists critically examine their own ideas?

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Its faith we live in, not ideas.

Danielwright2311 said:

Its faith we live in, not ideas.

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But the point of Christianity is to believe in truth, not just "to believe".

And to know what is truth requires examination.

myst33 said:

But the point of Christianity is to believe in truth, not just "to believe".

And to know what is truth requires examination.

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No, the point is to be with God the father and love him and worship him and praise him.

We are a family, not of truth, but love and forgiveness and understanding.

I do not know who told you what your telling me, but in Gods family, we worship out of love and faith, not truth.

I studied science in school and saw the work of God even in the study of an eye, as it was with each part of the body. The incredible detail right down to the DNA, praises God for His ingenious ways and purpose in creating. This isn't a part here or there morphing without purpose. Right from the design to the creation, a enormous amount of thought went into the creative work. The more you see God in nature and all its parts the more you see how smart God is and how it is not possible without Him. From micro to macro, the Universe is of His creative work. I am in awe. If He said He did it in six days. I believe Him. I am not going to argue the six days 24 hours or 1 million years. Time is relative in God's world. Being in His court a day is like a thousands years in ours.

Well we do not get our knowledge from a all seeing eye.
This again?
Humanity has been there, one time in the beginning a being asked the question ;
Genesis 3: 1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

myst33 said:

But the point of Christianity is to believe in truth, not just "to believe".

And to know what is truth requires examination.

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Truth is independent of fallacy there are no reasons for examination.

It's just me but somehow I cannot overshadow creation with evolution, due to
The mystery of how and what created the first spark of life.
I could look at a rock for a million years , and according to science it's still a rock.
You can look at the complexity of just one strand of D.N.A.and clearly see it has and was purposed.

pitabread said:

Per the title.

And if the answer is yes, how do creationists critically examine their own ideas?

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These guys certainly do, beginning with their feature film called, Is Genesis History? (which you can rent or buy at Amazon, just FYI).

Here is the film's cast:

• Kevin Anderson, PhD – Microbiologist
• Steve Austin, PhD – Geologist
• Steven Boyd, PhD – Hebraist
• Robert Carter, PhD – Marine Biologist
• Arthur Chadwick, PhD – Taphonomist
• Danny Faulkner, PhD – Astronomer
• George Grant, PhD – Pastor
• Paul Nelson, PhD – Philosopher of Science
• Douglas Petrovich, PhD – Archeologist

• Marcus Ross, PhD – Paleontologist
• Andrew Snelling, PhD – Geologist
• Kurt Wise, PhD – Paleontologist
• Todd Wood, PhD – Biologist
• Stuart Burgess, PhD – Mechanical Engineer (Bonus Features)
• Douglas Kelly, PhD – Theologian (Bonus Features)
• Larry Vardiman, PhD – Atmospheric Physicist (Bonus Features)

There is much more to be found at the Is Genesis History? website which you can find here.

--David
p.s. - there are a number of other Creation websites to check out, of course, where you can find out whatever you'd like to know about Creationist beliefs, like this one.

now faith said:

Truth is independent of fallacy there are no reasons for examination.

It's just me but somehow I cannot overshadow creation with evolution, due to
The mystery of how and what created the first spark of life.
I could look at a rock for a million years , and according to science it's still a rock.
You can look at the complexity of just one strand of D.N.A.and clearly see it has and was purposed.

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Scientific examination of the past is not related to the theological message in the Bible.

The problem arises only when somebody tries to put it together:
1) To read the Bible (ancient writings) in a modern, scientific, literal way (YEC, Flath earth proponents...)
2) To use science against theology (R. Dawkins and similar atheists)

pitabread said:

Is that a "no"?

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It seemed more like a koan.

Danielwright2311 said:

I do not know who told you what your telling me, but in Gods family, we worship out of love and faith, not truth.

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Bible told it to me... and the Bible also told it to you:

"The hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people"
J 4:23

"Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city."
Jer 5:1

If somebody is teaching you that truth is not important for worship or forgiveness, he is teaching you wrong.

myst33 said:

but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth

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Yes, the truth of God, not that we are seeking truth, we serve and praise and honer truth of god, not each others truth.

myst33 said:

and truth

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Yes, we praise God in truth, but we do not seek truth.

You are twisting the scriptures to better fit your arguments.

Danielwright2311 said:

Yes, we praise God in truth, but we do not seek truth.

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If you do not seek the truth, its your life, but do not tell others to do so, the Bible is against you in this.

"Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city."
Jer 5:1

But it makes more sense that you are an YEC, if you do not seek the truth and just believe what somebody told you, accepting neither Scriptures nor scientific discoveries.

myst33 said:

If you do not seek the truth, its your life

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I have found truth, and this is Jesus, and i tell all to seek him, so your point is not valid.

myst33 said:

But it makes more sense that you are an YEC, if you do not seek the truth and just believe what somebody told you, accepting neither Scriptures nor scientific discoveries.

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science is not truth, but only Jesus is truth, and he spoke of all truth and even spoke of creation.

You follow man and his science, I follow God and only his son and no man.

Danielwright2311 said:

science is not truth, but only Jesus is truth

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If I say that 2+2 equals 4, its truth, even though its not Jesus.

In the same way, science can be true, even though science is not Jesus.

myst33 said:

If I say that 2+2 equals 4, its truth, even though its not Jesus.

In the same way, science can be true, even though science is not Jesus.

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That's the most backward none truth iv'e ever read.

Just because 2+2=4 has nothing to do with if Jesus is the truth.

Your way of thinking is just made up as you go just to win your argument.

Sorry, but the math of 2+2 has nothing to do with evolution.

Danielwright2311 said:

That's the most backward none truth iv'e ever read.

Just because 2+2=4 has nothing to do with if Jesus is the truth.

Your way of thinking is just made up as you go just to win your argument.

Sorry, but the math of 2+2 has nothing to do with evolution.

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I did not say that 2+2=4 has anything to do with Jesus.

My point was exactly the opposite, I proved that not all truth must have something to do with Jesus, but still can (and should) be accepted as truth. Not as theological truth, but as truth in other areas of our life.

myst33 said:

I did not say that 2+2=4 has anything to do with Jesus.

My point was exactly the opposite, I proved that not all truth must have something to do with Jesus, but still can (and should) be accepted as truth. Not as theological truth, but as truth in other areas of our life.

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God already told us all the truth , so your truth is not valid.

Who am i going to believe truth from?

Your evolution , or Gods own words?

God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, and on the 7th day he rested.

The morning and the evening where the first day.

The morning, till the evening.

I write it one more time.

The morning till the evening.

I'm pretty sure they knew when they wrote it what a day was.

My God, has the power and the knowledge on how to create what he created in 6 days.

And if you say he does not, I will never listen or follow you and turn my back from you.