Mnuchin says Congress can't see Trump's tax returns

Pommer · May 24, 2019

rjs330 said:
That doesn't change a thing I said. It's his character to fight and not just cave.

Fighting by the rules is fine.
That’s why we have Rule-of-law as the underpinning of our republic.

Go Braves · May 24, 2019

rjs330 said:
I've read some of the report myself. The report clears Trump from collusion. It doesn't clear him from obstruction. It also doesn't recommend prosecution for obstruction. It is up to the justice department to investigate obstruction. So far it isn't. And quite frankly the Clinton investigation set the precidence for these investigations and prosecutions. If they couldn't prove Clinton obstruction they won't prove Trump obstruction.

“I thought it was so clear, when you look at the evidence and the things that investigation determined that Donald Trump had done, it met all the elements” of a strong case for obstruction of justice, she said this week in an interview from her Boise office. “I thought that stood in stark contrast with what William Barr said in that letter and that press conference.”

Olson is now one of more than 800 former federal prosecutors who have come together to make an extraordinary assertion: It is only the presidency itself that prevents Trump from facing felony charges for obstruction of justice.

The attorneys – including appointees by Republican and Democratic presidents, serving in administrations dating back to Carter – have signed a letter asserting that Trump’s actions to impede the investigation into Russian election meddling, as described in the Mueller report, amount to “overwhelming” evidence of obstruction.

DOJ follows a standing Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted. What the prosecutors’ letter asserts is that if he were anyone else – literally any other American citizen – his conduct would have resulted in “multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.”

Shawn Vestal: The 800 former federal prosecutors who signed a letter alleging Trump obstructed justice are heroes

If Donald's got nothing to hide with his tax returns he should be a man & honor his promise to release them. Kinda like how he wants to claim that he's such a stable genius but have his thug of a lawyer threaten his school & colleges to never release his transcripts.

rjs330 · May 25, 2019

Go Braves said:
Shawn Vestal: The 800 former federal prosecutors who signed a letter alleging Trump obstructed justice are heroes

If Donald's got nothing to hide with his tax returns he should be a man & honor his promise to release them. Kinda like how he wants to claim that he's such a stable genius but have his thug of a lawyer threaten his school & colleges to never release his transcripts.

If Trump is forced to give his tax returns over to the ways and means committee, and those returns get leaked, would you be in favor of prosecuting the leakers?

wing2000 · May 25, 2019

...meanwhile:

On Tuesday, President Trump’s attorneys filed to appeal a federal judge’s ruling that Trump could not block a House Oversight Committee subpoena of his financial records, one of many recent efforts by the administration to interfere with the regulatory power of Congress. The appeal will be heard by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, headed by none other than Merrick Garland.

Obama Supreme Court Nominee Merrick Garland Could Rule on Trump Subpoena Appeal

Pommer · May 25, 2019

rjs330 said:
If Trump is forced to give his tax returns over to the ways and means committee, and those returns get leaked, would you be in favor of prosecuting the leakers?

No one is forcing Trump to turn over his tax returns.
The chair sent first a request, (as prescribed by Law), to the Director of the Internal Revenue Service, but then the Treasury Secretary stepped in and overrode the Director and refused to comply with the legal request, and proffered the “no legitimate legislative purpose” canard as a basis for the illegal denial.

Allandavid · May 25, 2019

rjs330 said:
If Trump is forced to give his tax returns over to the ways and means committee, and those returns get leaked, would you be in favor of prosecuting the leakers?

If those leaks revealed that crimes had been committed by Trump, would you be in favour of prosecuting the leakers...?

Go Braves · May 25, 2019

rjs330 said:
If Trump is forced to give his tax returns over to the ways and means committee, and those returns get leaked, would you be in favor of prosecuting the leakers?

Lulz. 40 years worth of major-party presidential candidates had the guts & the integrity to voluntarily release their tax returns. Donald alone has been too cowardly. If Donald's were released to the public as he promised to do, repeatedly, for years, there'd be no reason to worry about leaking. The man just needs to man up already.

KCfromNC · May 27, 2019

rjs330 said:
You just focus so hard on the word that you miss the point.

Yeah, it is really unfair that people keep bringing up collusion in this thread :

rjs330 said:
... The report clears Trump from collusion.

rjs330 said:
...Sorry, still no evidence of collusion.

rjs330 said:
...no collusion, betweenTrump and Russia.

rjs330 said:
...collusion between Trump and Russia...

rjs330 · May 28, 2019

Pommer said:
No one is forcing Trump to turn over his tax returns.
The chair sent first a request, (as prescribed by Law), to the Director of the Internal Revenue Service, but then the Treasury Secretary stepped in and overrode the Director and refused to comply with the legal request, and proffered the “no legitimate legislative purpose” canard as a basis for the illegal denial.

That doesn't answer my question. And at this point Trump isn't voluntarily providing his returns. Thus if they get his return it would be forced.

Now my understanding is the law allows the chairman of the house ways and means committee to get the return without a reason. It is my understanding that the tax return cannot be kept from him/her. But I'm not a lawyer so I don't know for sure.

rjs330 · May 28, 2019

Allandavid said:
If those leaks revealed that crimes had been committed by Trump, would you be in favour of prosecuting the leakers...?

I'd be in favor of prosecuting everyone that broke the law.

Pommer · May 28, 2019

rjs330 said:
That doesn't answer my question. And at this point Trump isn't voluntarily providing his returns. Thus if they get his return it would be forced.

Now my understanding is the law allows the chairman of the house ways and means committee to get the return without a reason. It is my understanding that the tax return cannot be kept from him/her. But I'm not a lawyer so I don't know for sure.

It won’t be leaked.
You can’t blackmail someone out of high office if you’ve gone and let Buzzfeed get ahold of it.

rjs330 · May 28, 2019

KCfromNC said:
Yeah, it is really unfair that people keep bringing up collusion in this thread :

And I explained that I didn't want to throw out a bunch of words to cover all the possible aspects of this. Collusion was a word that was used to incorporate all the others. If you refuse to acknowledge that than that is in you. I've explained myself. No cooberation, cooperation, or whatever word you want was found to be done by Trump.

I know you sure wishes there was, but there wasn't.

bhsmte · May 28, 2019

rjs330 said:
If Trump is forced to give his tax returns over to the ways and means committee, and those returns get leaked, would you be in favor of prosecuting the leakers?

If all the leakers in washington were prosecuted, there wouldnt be anyone left.

KCfromNC · May 29, 2019

rjs330 said:
And I explained that I didn't want to throw out a bunch of words to cover all the possible aspects of this. Collusion was a word that was used to incorporate all the others.

Not by the Mueller report, for some reason. But hey, what do the people running the Mueller investigation know about the Mueller investigation anyway?

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