Women Preachers...The truth!

Sparagmos said:

1) thereis plenty of information out there about rape. You can definitely verify or refute my claim if you want to.

Click to expand...

I am not interested in doing your research.
I know God protects His children.

2)What about children of non-Christian parents? And what about parents who rape their children? Most children are raped by family members.

Click to expand...

The non-Christian is asking for trouble.
They have no protection.

Phil W said:

I am not interested in doing your research.
I know God protects His children.


The non-Christian is asking for trouble.
They have no protection.

Click to expand...

The non Christian 4 year old child?

Phil W said:

I don't think you can answer this, but did any of them live without sin?
That is the definition of a repentant person...one who has turned from the darkness and unto the light.
One who has turned from satan and unto God. (Acts 26:18)

Click to expand...

Christians don’t live without sin. We all sin. So first you said Christians don’t get raped. Now it’s only those who “live without sin” who don’t get raped?

Phil W said:

Not if they are alone.
Why ask for trouble?
We live in a world of God haters, so every interaction with them is perilous.

Click to expand...

So, you don't believe my statement that I know Christian women who have been raped. You think that God "would not allow it" and that I - and presumably they - should trust God.
Then you make the statement that no woman should answer the door on their own; in a world that's "ruled by the devil" it is not safe to do so.
Why not? Don't you trust God?

Your statements appear to blame women, or their lack of faith, for rape; refusing to consider, without proof, that this horrible crime may happen to Christian women. You are also contradicting yourself - and may not even realise it. And this is way off topic and has nothing to do with women preachers.

I'm outta here - enjoy.

Phil W said:

I don't think you can answer this, but did any of them live without sin?

Click to expand...

They were raped because they sinned??

May God have mercy on you.

Phil W said:

Scripture, please.

Click to expand...

Luke 2:41-50, where Mary and Joseph were content to assume that Jesus was "in the group of travellers" but not under their direct supervision.

I would suggest that an approach to parenting which never allows a minor time away from their parents in any way is actually likely to be profoundly damaging.

Paidiske said:

Luke 2:41-50, where Mary and Joseph were content to assume that Jesus was "in the group of travelers" but not under their direct supervision.

I would suggest that an approach to parenting which never allows a minor time away from their parents in any way is actually likely to be profoundly damaging.

Click to expand...

You must have missed that we were talking about a 4 year old.
And as I said before, it is the unrighteous who need to fear walking without God's protections.
Do you have any proof for your "suggestion"?

Strong in Him said:

That is very much a matter of opinion, and taste.
A number of women say that long hair is a pain, and takes time and money, to manage.



I'm not convinced that he's fussed one way or the other.
God's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, John 6:4.
The body is temporary and imperfect; he wants us to believe in Jesus, be born again, be his child and belong to him, and have eternal life.



Where does he say this?
A woman can LOOK natural - no make up, long hair, no tattoos or cosmetic surgery etc; that doesn't mean she is holy and clean on the inside.



That is an assumption and generalisation.
How do you know that having long hair makes a woman feel blessed?

Click to expand...

Well, I might can't speak for all women in the world but I know I would love to have long hair, i wouldnt mind it one bit, because I think long hair is very modest and beautiful. And I think all Christian women should have long hair. Besides it seems like "the" typical hairstyle for a woman. What is of a woman of her inside makes her of her appearance outside of her sometimes also. If i see a certain woman all the time who was always decently dressed and never wore makeup and carried herself very well, I assure you I would assume of her pure and right on the inside. You know that saying "We are what we eat" and i truly believe what's in our interior makes of our exterior..Jesus said eating with unwashed hands doesn't make us unclean, he said what comes out of our hearts and minds makes us unclean. So if a woman decides to put on a knee length skirt and ditch the eyeshadow and mascara for the day, its not because she is holy, it's because in the moment of it she was led to a pure thought inside of her ...And we are to stay away from the desires of the flesh and be led by the holy spirit instead .. you can say you believe in Jesus but if you don't let yourself be led by the spirit continuesly everyday, you will never be holy and you will never become a fully mature person in Jesus . And unless someone is trying to look like Marylin Monroe or has butt long hair like rapunzel , taking care of ones own hair should not take a lot of time ans money. I don't know much about white women hair but thier hair seem much more manageable then black women which by the way I am, so it would seem the black woman would have it much harder with taking care of her hair and keeping her hair together. Etc. But it does not take time and money, only a good trim and wash ...

Since ancient times female clergy has been one of the most visual sign of a heterodox community, this is how it was at the times of the apostles and all the way up to our age.
Do we know better than the ones appointed by the lord or the great men and women of the church throughout the ages?

I'd say no.

Well, if you define women clergy as heterodox, then by definition you will see heterodox groups with women clergy; but that's completely circular reasoning.

Paidiske said:

Well, if you define women clergy as heterodox, then by definition you will see heterodox groups with women clergy; but that's completely circular reasoning.

Click to expand...

But it doesn't really matter what I define as orthodox or heterodox now does it?
Your reasoning is flawed as your changing goalposts. My argument is pointing back towards the foundation of Christianity and the early church whereby you're pointing at my person and our present day.

Politically there are good reasons to push for female clergy, theologically not so much.

Stabat Mater said:

Since ancient times female clergy has been one of the most visual sign of a heterodox community, this is how it was at the times of the apostles and all the way up to our age.
Do we know better than the ones appointed by the lord or the great men and women of the church throughout the ages?

I'd say no.

Click to expand...

I'll stick with the bible over "great men" any day.

Phil W said:

I'll stick with the bible over "great men" any day.

Click to expand...

False dichotomy as I consider the vast majority of the men in scripture to quite great

Odd comment...

Stabat Mater said:

False dichotomy as I consider the vast majority of the men in scripture to quite great

Click to expand...

None of them said women can have authority over men.
"Great men" who run afoul of biblical teachings are not so great.

Phil W said:

None of them said women can have authority over men.
"Great men" who run afoul of biblical teachings are not so great.

Click to expand...

Read through my posts in this thread, I'm against female clergy.

Phil W said:

Who would you blame for the sins committed against children left to forage on their own?
Who drops their kids off at day care or school all day long at the mercy of the wicked world?
Who shirks their responsibility to protect, guide, and teach their own kids?
The worse sin is committed by the perpetrator, but they had the collusion of the absentee parent.


Yes, I did know that...and I thank God for allowing such as I used to be to now be righteous and in Him. (2 Cor 5:21, 1 Cor 1:30)


It was a sin randomly selected by anther poster in an effort to prove God does not protect His own..

Click to expand...

I see a point being made about something the parents didn't do that may be "missing the mark" but I find the emphasis of blame and accusation to be far more sinful ... and more apt a culprit for the world that creates predators.

Stabat Mater said:

But it doesn't really matter what I define as orthodox or heterodox now does it?
Your reasoning is flawed as your changing goalposts. My argument is pointing back towards the foundation of Christianity and the early church whereby you're pointing at my person and our present day.

Politically there are good reasons to push for female clergy, theologically not so much.

Click to expand...

Actually, I was critiquing your presentation of the foundation of Christianity and the early church.

Politically, I am not sure that the issue of female clergy matters much. Does it bring the church more power, more influence? I don't think the world cares. But my reasons are profoundly theological, and to do with the theology of the human person.

timewerx said:

Should wives also submit to their Husbands??

That's another million dollar question! The answer to this one goes back to the book of Genesis!

The answer is NO, not anymore....Jesus came to take away our burden which originated from Genesis, due to Man's sin.

Click to expand...

An interesting theory indeed.......

Rick Joyner, The Final Quest:
...I looked at the thrones. I looked at those who were now seated. I could recognize some of the great heroes of the faith, but most of those seated I knew had not even been well known on earth. Many I knew had been missionaries who had expended their lives in obscurity. They had never cared to be remember on earth, but only to Him. I was a bit surprised to see some who had been wealthy, or rulers who had been faithful with what they had been given. However, it seemed that faithful, praying women and mothers occupied more thrones than any other single group." (Rick Joyner)

Click to expand...

This would fit with the principle:

Mat 19:23

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

We guys have done a pretty good job of hoarding most wealth away from our wives throughout the millennia.....

Paidiske said:

Actually, I was critiquing your presentation of the foundation of Christianity and the early church.

Click to expand...

Without any substantial evidence to support your case...

The evidence is there, but it keeps getting dismissed and explained away. Not much point going through it all again...