The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

BNR32FAN said:

What triggered the mutation was it purely genetic or was there a catalyst?

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There was a catalyst: God.

God warned His people ...

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

I believe one of those plagues was a bone-altering disease that gave rise to what is in that chart of skulls.

I even believe David died of one of those diseases (see Psalm 38).

In Psalm 38, David is complaining that he is dying of a loathsome disease that is affecting his skeletal structure (verse 3) and he is even starting to walk quadruped (verse 6).

Psalm 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.

Psalm 38:6 I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long.

His son would later set the record straight and point out that we were created to walk upright, and complains that evolution is an invention (not a discovery) that says otherwise.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Larnievc said:

No, we’re told that it happened: not what actually happened to actualise creation. The process of creation is a mystifying black box based on the Biblical account.

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If it helps, I believe God spoke it into being, how non mysterious is that?

pitabread said:

Let's find out.

Do you enjoy learning?

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Does that mean yoiur going to keep stalling?

Kenny'sID said:

If it helps, I believe God spoke it into being, how non mysterious is that?

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Happy Birthday, Ken! I'm one day ahead of you!

Kenny'sID said:

Does that mean yoiur going to keep stalling?

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That's not an answer.

Let's try again: do you enjoy learning?

It's a simple question. You can even qualify your answer if you want.

pitabread said:

That's not an answer.

Let's try again: do you enjoy learning?

It's a simple question. You can even qualify your answer if you want.

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Here's another simple question, why do you ask? I need to know before I waste my time with an odd question that I'm suspicious of.

And remember, asking you to prove evolution is also a simple question....so, let's try again, are you going to do that or not?

AV1611VET said:

Happy Birthday, Ken! I'm one day ahead of you!

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Mine's on the 30th but I'll take it, it's an early wish.

Happy early birthday to you as well.

Kenny'sID said:

Here's another simple question, why do you ask? I need to know before I waste my time with an odd question that I'm suspicious of.

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Fair enough.

When engaging on a particular topic if one doesn't already possess the requisite background knowledge of that topic, then it's assumed that one will be learning about that topic in the process.

Some individuals are predisposed to dislike the learning process; it's just the way they are wired. However, this means that if an individual is simultaneously trying to learn about a topic, but also dislikes the learning process, it will make the whole engagement that much more difficult for them.

So that's all I'm trying to find out. Do you enjoy learning?

And remember, asking you to prove evolution is also a simple question....so, let's try again, are you going to do that or not?

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If you're asking if willing to engage you in debate with the specific intent of changing your mind about evolution, then no. I've learned long ago that such an endeavor is neither useful nor productive.

What I am willing to do is engage you in an open discussion about biological evolution, including both the theory and the evidence which supports it. This is why I've repeatedly pointed you to course material on the subject. There is already a bounty of comprehensive material in an easy-to-consume format freely available for anyone who wants it. In fact, I'm even re-watching some of lecture videos from those courses as a refresher for myself.

If you have any questions about any of that material or anything else from the theory of evolution, I would be more than happy to discuss it with you. And I will endeavor to be as cordial as I can be in the process.

That is what I can offer you. You need to decide if that is what you want.

pitabread said:

So that's all I'm trying to find out. Do you enjoy learning?

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No, your just stalling, you got the answer to that when you accused me of having an aversion to school or some such thing?

I think I told you you dreamed that up, so, what is all this for?

Kenny'sID said:

No, your just stalling, you got the answer to that when you accused me of having an aversion to school or some such thing?

I think I told you you dreamed that up, so, what is all this for?

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I don't see an answer to this in your previous posts.

The reason I think you have an aversion to educational material is because every single time I've pointed you to educational material, you've refused to engage with it. Consequently, the impression you give off is someone that has an aversion to education.

If you feel this is incorrect, then feel free to correct this impression. This is why I am asking straight up (3rd time now): do you enjoy learning?

pitabread said:

I don't see an answer to this in your previous posts.

The reason I think you have an aversion to educational material is because every single time I've pointed you to educational material, you've refused to engage with it. Consequently, the impression you give off is something that has an aversion to education.

If you feel this is incorrect, then feel free to correct this impression. This is why I am asking straight up (3rd time now): do you enjoy learning?

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Straight up...You have your answer already, so between that and the fact you are far too persistent with a question that is just weird to begin with, I think you're going to have to do with out.

Kenny'sID said:

Straight up...You have your answer already, so between that and the fact you are far too persistent with a question that is just weird to begin with, I think you're going to have to do with out.

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That's academia for you.

Asking questions ad nauseum.

Kenny'sID said:

Straight up...You have your answer already, so between that and the fact you are far too persistent with a question that is just weird to begin with, I think you're going to have to do with out.

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This is why it's difficult to have a conversation with you.

AV1611VET said:

That's academia for you.

Asking questions ad nauseum.

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I wouldn't have to keep asking if Kenny could just answer the first time.

Kenny'sID said:

If it helps, I believe God spoke it into being, how non mysterious is that?

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I would say that is very mysterious. We don’t know how he did it. We just have the bible’s claim that he did.

Doesn’t the knowledge of what the bible claims he did fill you with curiosity as to whether he did?

Either way it is far from un- complex.

pitabread said:

every single time I've pointed you to educational material, you've refused to engage with it. Consequently, the impression you give off is something that has an aversion to education.

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I think this is why he appeared to be flummoxed when I said that I had read the bible ver. KJV1611 (in that I have actively engaged in learning about a position I do not hold).

Larnievc said:

I would say that is very mysterious. We don’t know how he did it. We just have the bible’s claim that he did.

Doesn’t the knowledge of what the bible claims he did fill you with curiosity as to whether he did?

Either way it is far from un- complex.

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The implication seems to be we have power over the physical as well, one of a few huge hints being, walking on the water, and losing faith, causing the action to fail.

So yes, of course it's interesting but beyond that, I've settled with not knowing the science behind it in this lifetime.

Kenny'sID said:

I've settled with not knowing the science behind it in this lifetime.

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Which indicates you are not interested in learning new things.

Which was where we came in. Had you just admitted it initially we could have save a bit of time.