Oceans came from moon says new cult science

dad said:

Did munster consider that the windows of heaven were once opened bring more water (isotopes) to earth from the far side of the universe? No. Or, that maybe Jesus created the earth (before anything existed outside the solar system) with stuff to be later found out there also? (once the stars and etc were put in the space out there) No

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It would be quite ridicilous for University of Münster to teach something like that.

You can always try Church of Münster for that theory.

Also your thread title is wrong because the article quite clearly states the water come from outer solar system, not from to moon, but reading is hard and for your purposes I am sure it does not matter anyway.

Halbhh said:

If someone convinced you that an old Earth would somehow disprove anything in the Bible, they made some error.

In scripture we only know the rough timeline by genealogy from after Adam and Eve left the Garden until Christ.

That's not the same as knowing how long the Garden lasted (with the Tree of Life, and God Himself for Whom time is nothing in the Garden....).

Nor is there anything in scripture that says how long passed during the Gen 1:1 creation of the Universe and of Earth, before the moment in Gen 1:2. Those are unknown amounts of time.

If someone claimed it's biblical that either of those times were short, they were wrong to claim that's a biblical idea. It's their guess.

The scripture doesn't say how long those times were because we do not need to know for the purpose of faith. Faith isn't to merely see or have proof, but instead faith is believing in what we cannot yet see.

If the Bible had told us the exact age of the Earth or the Universe (or the difference between the two, etc.) -- example: "...and the Heavens were 9 thousands of thousands of thousands of years old when the Earth was born..." (what the Bible intentionally does not tell us) -- and then science confirmed it, faith would be preempted, precluded.

That information in scripture would preempt and thus prevent faith.

You do not have faith that you have a car, but mere knowledge that you do. Knowledge isn't the same as faith. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

Easy proof would prevent faith from being available to happen. We'd merely have confirmed God, without having to have any faith.

But God wants us to trust without easy proof.

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But you realize that even if you want to plug billions of years between Gen 1:1-2, the geologic/paleontological record would still be at complete odds with the rest of Genesis. ( e.g. fish and small marine creatures supposedly existing for hundreds of millions of years before birds appear, land animals existing for millions of years before humans, etc.)

There's no reasonable way to reconcile an old earth with Genesis. I don't see how an old-earth Christian can escape the conclusion that Genesis is mostly false/mythology, or otherwise stuff that didn't really happen (despite containing things like specific dates of events, e.g. stages of the Flood matched to Noah's age, making it clear these are not parables or other symbolic storytelling devices)

... And how exactly do you simultaneously share your faith in scripture and what Jesus did while also believing that whole books in the Bible are essentially false? As a believer, why not just accept what God said he did?

Especially with the track record of evolutionists being so fundamentally wrong about earth history, (fighting the overwhelming evidence of catastrophism every step of the way), why put your faith in their interpretations of the age of the earth?

dad said:

He is the safe foundation and also happens to be the creator. Science lies.

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He said to you and to me that the safe foundation is only hearing and doing His words to us.

Right? If we said He is the rock, but He said instead the rock is hearing and doing as He said to do....

then.....we should trust Him over ourselves, and His words over whatever we believe.
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edit: to help clear up my unclear writing. Christ is the "cornerstone" -- a "living stone" Peter wrote -- and He is the only beginning on which we should build. He is the only good Teacher.

And what our Teacher said to build our faith on is hearing and doing as He said to us to do.

So, if a person builds up a faith in for example Young Earth Creationism, Christ tells us that is sand as a basis for faith.

Those putting too much faith in Young Earth Creationism are building on sand, and that will fail.

If a person builds up a faith on Old Earth (instead of merely keeping it as simply a theory, not a faith), then that would be sand as a basis for faith.

The only rock that is a sound foundation is only and nothing else but hearing Christ's instructions to us, and doing them, in actions.

lifepsyop said:

But you realize that even if you want to plug billions of years between Gen 1:1-2, the geologic/paleontological record would still be at complete odds with the rest of Genesis. ( e.g. fish and small marine creatures supposedly existing for hundreds of millions of years before birds appear, land animals existing for millions of years before humans, etc.)

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Without doing the normal thing of presuming a certain idea and then trying to prove it (which automatically filters information inside the brain without conscious thought).

Without doing that.

If we are truly interested in this mere timing and small detail (small details the Bible does not address anywhere)....

Then, we should do the much harder and interesting task of looking without preconception, without prejudice about the answer, and see what is really the case (which might be something far more complicated and interesting, or instead merely that we have to go back to a previous idea such as the very common one many hundreds of millions of Christians believe that Genesis chapter 1 is a Poem about Creation, instead of merely a literal description).

Now, I didn't have an agenda for this chapter at all. I was very surprised to learn that the Earth is now understood to have been at one time a waterworld without any continents, from mainstream science, for example.

I was surprised by that, and it really caught my attention.

And I was surprised to find out life started on Earth according to mainstream science under constant and unbroken clouds (24/7/365 for at least on the order of a billion years, but likely longer if you could mostly cloudy days).

Surprise was my response to that also.

I didn't need Genesis chapter 1 to be any certain way, and believed it was a wonderful Poem, and trusted God, without needed to read it a certain way.

I had a natural, easy, faithful, reading without an agenda.

That's the only good way to read to begin with -- we are to be changed by our listening. We silent, and the scripture doing all the talking, so that we are affected and changed.

No matter what one thinks about small details of creation, this is really the needed way to approach scripture, to hear it, with true listening.

But....after that --once a person has truly done that, and very many Christians have not. Most have not.

But many do simply listen in order to hear, and they are the ones that gain the invaluable things from scripture.


But....after that, then later, we could indeed wonder about mere science details. As a relatively trivial topic.

Sure.

I'm always amazed by folks who rant about "demon science" as they clack away on a keyboard connected to a computer connected to a sophisticated world network.......all created by "demon science".

Unfortunately, however, science has given the world's ignorami a voice on the internet.