Why don't pro-lifers get mad that 6-year-old girl has to do "walk of shame" for not having money?

ArmenianJohn said:

So all I'm saying is whatever a pro-lifer does should be not centered on abortion but on all aspects of the lives of people, otherwise they're not "pro-life" so much as just "anti-abortion".

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I offer that you are clear about what you are saying.

But a baby being killed means the end of that baby's life, while a girl taking a walk can keep on walking. So, ones might feel the unborn needs a little priority. If you have a child who could get killed by the dogs next door that are being let out, this might take more of your action, than if one of your children is teasing the other about not saving enough money for ice cream. I just mean . . . consider . . . there might be priorities. And people have only so much time for activism about what other people are doing > we do need to take care of our own business.

And anyone Christian can find out a needy fellow student at school, and send a little money to school with their child to help someone else.

But saving a baby could take more effort.

And the abortion thing can be taken care of, very simply, if people act with a functioning conscience, then ones can take care of the ones old enough for school.

By the way > there can be shaming included in tormenting a woman to kill her own baby. There is a culture in the United States, of how a woman's people closer to her can somehow pressure her to kill her own unborn child; yet, you do not see any obvious action being taken to make it illegal to treat unwed pregnant mothers with shaming and other sorts of discrimination. But it is considered a hate crime if ones speak against other people and treat them in a mean way > as far as I know, this is correct.

But if you try to shame or otherwise try to turn them away from killing their children, all of a sudden this might be considered some sort of hate crime; yet, what about the ones who could have been somehow shaming her to go to get an abortion??

And, likewise, ones seem to approve of using shaming for a child who does not bring in money for lunch.

So, it seems ones of different causes and activities consider shaming to be effective and desirable. May be this is part of a real problem.

But we can learn not to allow ourselves to feel put down by people who do not know how to love us.

Jesus stood up for people who were being shamed, but He also expects us to stop our wrong things which possibly have given certain people their excuse to shame us. But there are people who are welcoming excuses to look down on other people . . . like I have done and still need to do better not to do.

Pommer said:

You mean “pro birth”?
THAT’S precisely ArmenianJohn’s POINT!
Once the child is born the “Pro-life” folks have no help for the person.

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Except for the multiple pro-life groups that help with food and money for the poor and help mothers after birth.

Davidnic said:

Except for the multiple pro-life groups that help with food and money for the poor and help mothers after birth.

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Do you know of any that provide contraception?

Davidnic said:

Except for the multiple pro-life groups that help with food and money for the poor and help mothers after birth.

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Pro-life groups like these...

Sanctuary of Hope

Christian Life Resources

Pregnancy Centers in PA

Help Protect Vulnerable Women

Special Delivery | Overlake Christian Church

Listing Of Crisis Pregnancy Centers In Illinois

Top 10 Non Profit Organizations that help Mothers

Creating a Cradle Care Ministry for Expectant & New Parents

Shiloh Raven said:

It's plain and simple. If someone is going to gripe out someone else for not living up to their personal convictions then that person had better make darn sure that they're living up to their own convictions or I'm going to turn the tables on them. I'm so sick and tired of being demonized and accused of not being pro-life because some other people who claim to be pro-life don't live up to what they profess.

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Well in Canada all that’ll get you is no funding for youth where the gmnt is trying to displace 'radical Christians’. Yup they’re trying to grab them and bring them up the way they want them. Remind you of the Turks an Serfs? Opening the door to Sharia law all the way around if you want my honest opinion, which I’m certain you don’t.

Pommer said:

Once the child is born the “Pro-life” folks have no help for the person.

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Possibly, there is not publicly seen help. But privacy can be nice.

But what you're saying can help to alert any of us to be on the lookout for ones we know personally, who need help. I think it is good to have help on a personal and loving and caring basis, versus a welfare system.

So, of course, since I don't know each and every person who keeps a child, I can not say what has really happened with every one of them. But in case you personally know someone . . . you can help that person, perhaps.

But I can see the possibility how God might not have government fix the after-birth problem, since He is about personal and a family way of helping mothers.

In my church, babies get attention, in any case. So, if a woman has a child and then gets no help > I admit, I don't know why. And in case you really know someone who has not gotten help and you knew her > how come with you knowing her she did not get help?????

I have read one story claiming a woman got no help. But I don't get how she could know people, really, and not get help. There are caring people around; so does a person isolate herself, somehow? I of course don't know.

Desk trauma said:

Do you know of any that provide contraception?

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Why would that be necessary in the context of this conversation? Some do provide access it some do not. Depends from group to group. Stay on topic. The thread is about pro-life groups being whole life, not about contraception.

Desk trauma said:

Why not? How is a soul entering heaven not cause for celebration? Especially in the case of a miscarriage or abortion they skipped all the suffering and risk of damnation.


The outcome however would be wonderful. Unless their souls don’t make the cut for some reason?

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We do not celebrate the death of an innocent no matter what the eventual outcome. Being in heaven does not justify an immoral act to get there or make a medical tragedy less of a tragedy.

You have your answer on how Christians view this. So don't continue to argue that we feel differently and take the thread off topic.

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Please stay on topic and do not misrepresent Christian beliefs when informed of the actual beliefs.

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But look at the multiple faulty implications of the thread

The assumption is pro-life people are hypocrites who do not care about children who are born because they are not protesting this event.

Well, first all Pro-lifers are not the same. So that alone undermines the faulty premise. Second, are you sure you can not find one pro-life group that is not speaking up on this, or who provides money or food in this situation? Third, why would it be required for someone to protest every situation that effects human dignity to have an opinion on abortion?

It would be logical that if a person has the time to devote to limited causes that they would go for an issue that is wide-ranging and foundational, like abortion. So the idea that people have to take action on every issue to have a voice on one, is ludicrous.

But even then the assertion that pro-life people and groups do not care about the born is flatly wrong. Their charitable donations to causes that relate to human dignity outside of abortion is in the billions. This covers poverty, help for refugees, elder care, heating assistance, and dozens of other issues.

GreekOrthodox said:

Ahhh, its time to start A Modest Proposal!

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Well that would allow for hot lunches even for those who have run out of funds. (BTW the second largest part of my ancestry is Irish).

ArmenianJohn said:

School made six-year-old girl do "cafeteria walk of shame" to return lunch because she didn't have enough money

This is acceptable but abortions should be outlawed and women who get abortions should be jailed.

I always hear that there is some kind of Christian backing to the "pro-life" position but I don't think that's true at all. I think "pro-life" is purely political and not based in Christianity, science, or philosophy.

There should be pro-life people at this school right now with signs picketing this kind of evil mammon-worship and child abuse but the fact of the matter is that they just don't care.

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How do you equate having to eat a peanut butter sandwich for a lunch with murdering a child?

Desk trauma said:

If you have man, you have problem.

No man, no problem.

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Same if you have no woman.

But boy would it be a dull and boring place.

Before starting I want a few things very clear. I am pro choice and that includes euthanasia. Also I'm not shy about pointing out flaws in arguments of the anti abortion crowd that sometimes rise to the level of lies or hypocrisy.

This case does not even come close. The hyperbole that rises to that level is from those complaining about the action, the OP and those siding with him.

First The Walk of Shame was no such thing. The child was simply told to return the food she could not pay for. She was not stripped and having food thrown at her like in Game or Thrones, Nor did she ride naked like Lady Godiva, she is not have the labels ripped of her clothes and her pencils broken like in the opening credits of the old Branded TV show, she was not given half a sandwich and have to beg Please sir may I have some more. Come to think of it she was not even told to leave the cafeteria or denied food. She just had to settle for a peanut and jelly sandwich. Often the lunch of choice not that long ago.

Second this was an exception. Picketing a clinic typically is focused recurring actions that are expected to occur just about every day. This is almost sure not going to happen again for at least 3 months. I figure parents will pay attention to not letting their kids accounts run low for at least that long.

I can't help but wonder if the OP was making a false flag post. Taking a position exactly the opposite of his real one and doing so in an absurd manner to try to discredit his opponents. There is a reason that lobbyists have to register and report who is paying them.

I also would not be surprised in the least if the school had notified the parents. If the school does so by email here might be some shaming if this goes on long enough for the school to decide to release that evidence.

ItIsFinished! said:

What does this thread have to do with pro-life?

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Well if you claim to care so much about a fetus. You should care more for a child. Thats been born. Especially, the poor or hungry. Which I dont see Trump followers , that are pro-life doing.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Well if you claim to care so much about a fetus. You should care more for a child. Thats been born. Especially, the poor or hungry. Which I dont see Trump followers , that are pro-life doing.

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I'm not a Trump person (American Solidarity Party if anyone's curious) but I see people who support Trump in my parish give tens of thousands every few months to help young mothers and their children. Help with diapers, prenatal and postnatal care, scholarships, heating bills...dozens of other expenses. For years and years past birth.

All this over a child eating a peanut butter sandwich?!

I find it fascinating