Why don't pro-lifers get mad that 6-year-old girl has to do "walk of shame" for not having money?

ArmenianJohn · May 24, 2019

Hammster said:
So you’re pro-life? How many children have you fostered or adopted?

None. Is that a requirement?

Shiloh Raven · May 24, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
All I'm going to say about the OP is that it really trivializes abortion.

Not to mention demonizing the people who are actually pro-life and live up to their convictions.

ArmenianJohn · May 24, 2019

Hammster said:
So the solution is to kill them before they are born.

No. The solution is to be pro-life throughout the lives of all people so that anti-abortion measures can be justified through actions instead of hollow platitudes and cliches.

Shiloh Raven · May 24, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
What does this thread have to do with pro-life?

Nothing that I can see. It's apparently just another thread to demonize the entire pro-life movement.

Belk · May 24, 2019

Hammster said:
So the solution is to kill them before they are born.

Funny, I would of thought the solution would be to support people that are born. You know, the point the OP was obviously making.

The Faceless · May 24, 2019

You won't find much of anything in the Bible regarding abortion, but any honest reading of the Church Fathers and Ancient Christianity will tell anyone with a 3 digit IQ that pro-life has been the Christian way from the start. Many writings from the first couple of centuries. People mistakenly believe this is a modern issue but it isn't.

Anyways Republican Evangelical pro-life positions are inconsistent, incoherent, and hypocritical.

Hammster · May 24, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
None. Is that a requirement?

No more than trying to be aware of every child out there who is treated poorly.

Hammster · May 24, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
No. The solution is to be pro-life throughout the lives of all people so that anti-abortion measures can be justified through actions instead of hollow platitudes and cliches.

And how are you doing that?

ArmenianJohn · May 24, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Well, did or would you picket, doing what you say others should do?

If not, why not?

I can think of one reasonable reason > you already have enough to do, and you can't spread yourself out too thin. But you can speak for yourself.

I say there could be hypocrisy, but also I would say there are pro-lifers who already have plenty to do, including taking care of their own families and jobs. They choose which cause they have the time to handle, and do not spread themselves too thin and get burnt out.

But I agree that if we are going to push to keep children, we need to help out with taking right care of the children.

Because I am for being pro-love, in which case I would agree with your idea of picketing a school for the reason you mention, except I am already involved with various things > hopefully of loving. I need to do personal loving with people, not only be trying to judge and control what others are doing.

I don't picket at all, but if I were to go out and proclaim a message out loud and randomly of any kind it would not be political, it would be the Gospel.

I'm talking about the pro-life people who have all day on the weekends to protest outside an abortion clinic but do not care about things like the story I posted. I don't expect those who don't currently protest to start protesting.

But by that same token even many (most? all?) in here who spend a lot of time being anti-abortion are silent on these issues that affect the already-born. I expect them to be voicing pro-life opinions when it comes to the elderly and children and the sick and the poor. But they don't, they stick to unborn babies. That's the point.

So all I'm saying is whatever a pro-lifer does should be not centered on abortion but on all aspects of the lives of people, otherwise they're not "pro-life" so much as just "anti-abortion".

Not David · May 24, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
I don't picket at all, but if I were to go out and proclaim a message out loud and randomly of any kind it would not be political, it would be the Gospel.

I'm talking about the pro-life people who have all day on the weekends to protest outside an abortion clinic but do not care about things like the story I posted. I don't expect those who don't currently protest to start protesting.

But by that same token even many (most? all?) in here who spend a lot of time being anti-abortion are silent on these issues that affect the already-born. I expect them to be voicing pro-life opinions when it comes to the elderly and children and the sick and the poor. But they don't, they stick to unborn babies. That's the point.

So all I'm saying is whatever a pro-lifer does should be not centered on abortion but on all aspects of the lives of people, otherwise they're not "pro-life" so much as just "anti-abortion".

Implying that pro-lifers don't volunteer.
Plus, it is like saying "Who cares if I hurt my children? You never help with children in need"
"Who cares about abolition? You are not going to help the former slaves?"

And I don't see "pro-birth" as an insult, because it is much better than killing humans.

Shiloh Raven · May 24, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
School made six-year-old girl do "cafeteria walk of shame" to return lunch because she didn't have enough money

This is acceptable but abortions should be outlawed and women who get abortions should be jailed.

I always hear that there is some kind of Christian backing to the "pro-life" position but I don't think that's true at all. I think "pro-life" is purely political and not based in Christianity, science, or philosophy.

There should be pro-life people at this school right now with signs picketing this kind of evil mammon-worship and child abuse but the fact of the matter is that they just don't care.

Did you call the school and voice your disapproval? Would you like the phone number to the school so you can call the school and gripe someone out? I can give you the number, if you would like.

~Zao~ · May 24, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
Did you call the school and voice your disapproval? Would you like the phone number to the school so you can call the school and gripe someone out? I can give you the number, if you would like.

And since you're complaining about other people who are pro-life in this thread, I would like to know what YOU have done exactly since you said you are pro-life too. What specific actions have YOU taken to live up to your own profession of being pro-life? It's obvious that you are more than willing to point a judgmental finger at other pro-life people, but I would like to know what YOU have done that would make me not think that you're not as hypocritical as you accuse other pro-life people of being when it comes to living up to your own profession of being pro-life. Let's compare notes, shall we?

I’m thinking his reply to the circumstances was more in accordance with equality in the playing field so that what is feuling abortions is also dealt with.

Hammster · May 24, 2019

If pro-lifers cannot do everything possible to protect every citizen against any and all injustices, we should just shut up and let babies be aborted. Fewer babies equals fewer injustices.

Shiloh Raven · May 24, 2019

LoreneDD said:
I’m thinking his reply to the circumstances was more in accordance with equality in the playing field so that what is feuling abortions is also dealt with.

I know that. I also know that there are some people who like to point a judgmental finger at other people when they aren't even living up to the expectations they try to impose on those people.

Desk trauma · May 24, 2019

Hammster said:
If pro-lifers cannot do everything possible to protect every citizen against any and all injustices, we should just shut up and let babies be aborted. Fewer babies equals fewer injustices.

If you have man, you have problem.

No man, no problem.

Shiloh Raven · May 24, 2019

Hammster said:
If pro-lifers cannot do everything possible to protect every citizen against any and all injustices, we should just shut up and let babies be aborted. Fewer babies equals fewer injustices.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but that seems to be the entire premise of this thread.

~Zao~ · May 24, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
I know that. I also know that there are some people who like to point a judgmental finger at other people when they aren't even living up to the expectations they try to impose on those people.

Yah another cache 22

ItIsFinished! · May 24, 2019

Pommer said:
You mean “pro birth”?
THAT’S precisely ArmenianJohn’s POINT!
Once the child is born the “Pro-life” folks have no help for the person.

No.
I mean pro-life because the question in the thread title stated pro-life not pro-birth. Pro-birth is pro-life however.
And for you or anyone to make a blanket/generalized statement like " once the child is born the "Pro-life" folks have no help for that person".
Do you know all pro-lifers to make such an absurd statement?
Obviously no you do not, therefore the statement you made is 100% unwarranted and not credible.
Personally my friends and I do a surprisingly a lot for unwanted and children in need all over the world.
It is a blessing to be able to help those who are in need , not a burden.

Shiloh Raven · May 24, 2019

LoreneDD said:
Yah another cache 22

It's plain and simple. If someone is going to gripe out someone else for not living up to their personal convictions then that person had better make darn sure that they're living up to their own convictions or I'm going to turn the tables on them. I'm so sick and tired of being demonized and accused of not being pro-life because some other people who claim to be pro-life don't live up to what they profess.

TuxAme · May 24, 2019

Desk trauma said:
If Christian ideas about the afterlife are accurate dead children and babies are a good thing.

No, they're not. If you cared to know anything about Christianity at all, you would know that murder is never justified.

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