Founders on Party and Human Nature

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George Washington

"Let me … warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities...

The common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

[The spirit of party] opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.

It is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union ... and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.

~ George Washington, Farewell Address, 19 September 1796.

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John Adams
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.
~ John Adams, Letter to Jonathan Jackson, 2 October 1780. In: Charles Francis Adams (ed.), The Works of John Adams, Vol. 9, Boston, 1854. pp. 510-11.

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Thomas Jefferson
The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party divisions, and make them one people.
~ Thomas Jefferson, To John Dickinson, 23 July 1801

The spirit of 1776 is not dead. It has only been slumbering. The body of the American people is substantially republican. But their virtuous feelings have been played on by some fact with more fiction; they have been the dupes of artful manoeuvres, and made for a moment to be willing instruments in forging chains for themselves.
~ Thomas Jefferson, To Thomas Lomax, 12 March 1799

Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth.
~ Thomas Jefferson, To Peter H. Wendover (Draft), 13 March 1815

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
~ Thomas Jefferson, To Francis Hopkinson, 13 March 1789

You will soon find that so inveterate is the rancor of party spirit among us, that nothing ought to be credited but what we hear with our own ears. If you are less on your guard than we are here, at this moment, the designs of the mischief-makers will not fail to be accomplished, and brethren and friends will be made strangers and enemies to each other,
~ Thomas Jefferson, To James Monroe, March 1808

I deplore with you the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed, and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them. … This has in a great degree been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit.
~ Thomas Jefferson, To Walter Jones, January 1814

Let us, then, fellow-citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things.
~ Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, 4 March 1801

A difference in politics should never be permitted to enter into social intercourse, or to disturb its friendships, its charities or justice.
~ Thomas Jefferson, To Henry Lee, 10 August 1824

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Alexander Hamilton
Nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties.
~ Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist #1, 27 October 1787.

We are attempting, by this Constitution, to abolish factions, and to unite all parties for the general welfare.
~ Alexander Hamilton, Debates in the Convention of the State of New York on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Tuesday, 25 June 1788. In: Henry Cabot Lodge, ed., The Works of Alexander Hamilton (Federal Edition), Vol. 2, New York, 1904, p. 57.

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James Madison
So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts.
~ James Madison, The Federalist #10, 22 November 1787


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Benjamin Franklin

"We must indeed hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."


Some apt Poor Richard's Almanac work:

Clean your finger before pointing it at others.

E’er you remark another’s sin, bid your own conscience look within.

Whate’er’s begun in anger ends in shame.

Love your enemies, for they tell you your faults.

Anger is never without a reason but seldom with a good one.

The end of passion is the beginning of repentance.

~ Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack


(Some nice paraphrases of some Proverbs and one from Christ there)


Franklin at the Constitutional Convention (he was near 70 years old at this time):


“The small progress we have made after 4 or 5 weeks close attendance and continual reasonings with each other, our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ayes, is methinks a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the human understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom, since we have been running all about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of government, and examin’d the different forms of those republics, which, having been originally form’d with the seeds of their own dissolution, now no longer exist. And we have view’d modern states all ’round Europe, but find none of their constitutions suitable to our circumstances.
In this situation of this Assembly, groping, as it were, in the dark, to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not, hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of Lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard; — and they were graciously answered. All of us, who were engag’d in the struggle, must have observ’d frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favour. To that kind Providence we owe this happy oppo+rtunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? or do we imagine we no longer need its assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth, That God governs in the affairs of men! — And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? — We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; — and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests, our projects will be confounded and we ourselves shall become a reproach and a byword down to future Ages. And what is worse, Mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing government by human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move: That henceforth prayers, imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business; and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.”
~ Benjamin Franklin, Motion for Prayers in the Constitutional Convention (28 June 1787). [Note: The Convention adjourned without voting on Franklin’s motion.]

“Steele, a Protestant in a dedication tells the Pope, that the only difference between our two Churches in their opinions of the certainty of their doctrine, is, the Romish Church is infallible, and the Church of England is never in the wrong. But tho’ many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility, as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain French lady, who in a little dispute with her sister, said, I don’t know how it happens, sister, but I meet with nobody but myself that’s always in the right.
In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution: For when you assemble a number of men, to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an Assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded, like those of the builders of Babel, and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure that it is not the best…. I hope therefore for our own sakes, as a part of the people, and for the sake of our posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution, wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts and endeavours to the means of having it well administered.”
~ Benjamin Franklin, Speech at the Constitutional Convention at the Conclusion of Deliberations (17 September 1787)

Quotes via:
The Founding Fathers on Party Strife (Quotes)
 

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Awesome quotes and so true in our day as we watch the USA going down to destruction. Prepare your hearts people, the day is fast approaching. The measure of the sins of the USA is almost at the threshold where God can no longer withhold His judgment.

2 Chronicles 36:15,16 And the LORD God of their fathers sent word to them by His messengers, sending them early & often; because He had compassion on His people & on His dwelling place. But they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words & scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose up against His people, until there was no remedy.
 
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Awesome quotes and so true in our day as we watch the USA going down to destruction. Prepare your hearts people, the day is fast approaching. The measure of the sins of the USA is almost at the threshold where God can no longer withhold His judgment.

2 Chronicles 36:15,16 And the LORD God of their fathers sent word to them by His messengers, sending them early & often; because He had compassion on His people & on His dwelling place. But they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words & scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose up against His people, until there was no remedy.
Yes, this is possible. I thought at first of Abram pleading with God to spare the city of Sodom, depending on the number of righteous in it.

Another possible thing that could happen is a more intermediate level of consequences. One thing that comes to mind is whether we are experiencing some part, a partial thing, like verse 4 and/or 5 here, without most of all the other parts, at least at the moment: Isaiah 3 ESV
 
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[The spirit of party] opens the door to foreign influence and corruption,
Well, if a group becomes alienated from another group, and fears another will take over, they might be rather easy for foreign operatives to get involved with that group.

indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest,
Well, there is the claim of the United States being "indivisible"; but now we are seeing what could be a political civil war. And it seems no one has effective authority to enforce indivisibility. It's kind of fifty-fifty, like two parents getting a divorce, while each is blaming the other.

But we need character of love so we can function as family. Without character of God's love, it is not possible to have sweet and caring family sharing unity. And I can not guarantee that all members of either group are sweetly kind and caring people of God's love. So, our own character is what we mainly need to deal with; no laws or change of policies can make people love!!

However > "first of all" > here is what God says; so this is what works > 1 Timothy 2:1-10.
 
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Well, if a group becomes alienated from another group, and fears another will take over, they might be rather easy for foreign operatives to get involved with that group.

Well, there is the claim of the United States being "indivisible"; but now we are seeing what could be a political civil war. And it seems no one has effective authority to enforce indivisibility. It's kind of fifty-fifty, like two parents getting a divorce, while each is blaming the other.

But we need character of love so we can function as family. Without character of God's love, it is not possible to have sweet and caring family sharing unity. And I can not guarantee that all members of either group are sweetly kind and caring people of God's love. So, our own character is what we mainly need to deal with; no laws or change of policies can make people love!!

However > "first of all" > here is what God says; so this is what works > 1 Timothy 2:1-10.

Sometimes I think of it in a very shorthand, simple way -- to the extent that the people of a nation are doing:

"In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you, for this sums up the law and the prophets." -- Christ our Lord, Matthew 7:12

Then to that extent the nation will be at peace and have good living conditions.

Just to the extent I sometimes think it may be. To the proportion.
 
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Sometimes I think of it in a very shorthand, simple way -- to the extent that the people of a nation are doing:

"In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you, for this sums up the law and the prophets." -- Christ our Lord, Matthew 7:12

Then to that extent the nation will be at peace and have good living conditions.
This is good, Halbhh . . . rather than making a major political analysis out of things, like I can do. Just love :)
 
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