Abortion Pill & Morning After Pill Contraception

NO, they are not. Study Ecclesiastes 12, please.

JacobKStarkey said:

Men cast every vote for Alabama's restrictive abortion law - CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/.../alabama-abortion-law-state-criminalized-for-women-ever...
May 16, 2019 - Alabama just criminalized abortions – and every single yes vote ... Twenty-five members of the Alabama State Senate voted to pass the nation's most restrictive abortion bill on ... On Wednesday, the state's Republican female governor, Kay Ivey, ... Priscilla Dunn, did not vote or were not present for the vote.

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This headline strikes again. Do you know that in the Alabama House a woman legislator sponsored the bill? Did you know that at least one other woman co-sponsored the bill? Did you know that six women in the Alabama House voted for the bill, which was twice as many votes as all the men and women who voted against the bill in the House? Did you know that in the Alabama legislature more women voted for the bill in House and Senate combined than voted against the bill?

chevyontheriver said:

This headline strikes again. Do you know that in the Alabama House a woman legislator sponsored the bill? Did you know that at least one other woman co-sponsored the bill? Did you know that six women in the Alabama House voted for the bill, which was twice as many votes as all the men and women who voted against the bill? Did you know that in the Alabama legislature more women voted for the bill in House and Senate than voted against the bill?

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But, again, you have to read more than the headline. The headline is correct if you read the article, because the article is about the action of the Senate, not the House.

JacobKStarkey said:

NO, they are not. Study Ecclesiastes 12, please.

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That chapter is not about when human life begins.

Archivist said:

But, again, you have to read more than the headline. The headline is correct if you read the article, because the article is about the action of the Senate, not the House.

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My point is that few objectors to the bill bother with reading more than the headline. I agree that one has to read more than the headline. In this particular case because the headline is misleading. The headline does not say it was the Senate vote. The headline implies that it was the whole legislature. And that's how many people are taking it. So, yes, read the whole thing, which tells a different story than the headline.

chevyontheriver said:

My point is that few objectors to the bill bother with reading more than the headline. I agree that one has to read more than the headline. In this particular case because the headline is misleading. The headline does not say it was the Senate vote. The headline implies that it was the whole legislature. And that's how many people are taking it. So, yes, read the whole thing, which tells a different story than the headline.

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I'm an old newspaper reporter. Only a fool relies on a headline.

Archivist said:

I'm an old newspaper reporter. Only a fool relies on a headline.

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Exactly!

But many people DO rely on the headline. It's evident.

chevyontheriver said:

Exactly!

But many people DO rely on the headline. It's evident.

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I also read the subtitle under it if there is one. It does not help that usually picture captions are written in tiny fonts, which makes it harder to know the article subject before reading the whole hting.

I blame the editor who wrote the headline for omitting the word SENATE.

ChristianForCats said:

That chapter is not about when human life begins.

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Of course it is, every bit as much as Jeremiah is not.

chevyontheriver said:

Read in detail the article you yourself linked to. And you can verify votes because they are public record.

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If you can't verify a link, your argument fails.

JacobKStarkey said:

If you can't verify a link, your argument fails.

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Whatever. It was your link. In which the actual contents didn't agree with the words of the title.

Here is a something I believe will be very helpful in moving the discussion forward. There is plenty of both milk and meat from and for both sides of the discussion.

Histories of Abortion in the United States

Image by Jordan Uhl via Flickr, under CC BY 2.0.

Over the past decade, lawmakers in several states have introduced bills that would prohibit abortions as early as the sixth week of pregnancy, contrary to the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade (1973). Rarely have such bills succeeded, until this year. As of mid-May, eight state legislatures had passed so-called “heartbeat bills” or other pieces of legislation intended to curtail abortion rights. The most restrictive of these laws, signed by Alabama governor Kay Ivey, would prohibit abortion in nearly all cases. The Alabama statute will not take effect until November 2019. In the meantime, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Planned Parenthood Federation of America have announced their intention to challenge these laws in court.

The Journal of American History has compiled the following index for readers who would like to learn more about the history of abortion, reproductive rights, and Roe v. Wade. The index consists of more than two dozen book and film reviews printed in the JAH. Collectively, these reviews offer a sweeping survey of the field as it has evolved over the last four decades.

The titles listed below will be freely available through August 2019.

Author Title Reviewer Year of Book Publication
Karissa Haugeberg Women against Abortion: Inside the Largest Moral Reform Movement of the Twentieth Century Catherine E. Rymph 2017
Lisa Riggin San Francisco’s Queen of Vice: The Strange Career of Abortionist Inez Brown Burns Rebecca Kluchin 2017
Daniel K. Williams Defenders of the Unborn: The Pro-Life Movement before Roe v. Wade Keith Cassidy 2016
Johanna Schoen Abortion after Roe Rebecca M. Kluchin 2015
Jennifer Nelson More Than Medicine: A History of the Feminist Women’s Health Movement Sharra Vostral 2015
Karen Weingarten Abortion in the American Imagination: Before Life and Choice, 1880–1940 Simone Caron 2014
Justin Buckley Dyer Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning Rebecca E. Zietlow 2013
Sara Dubow Ourselves Unborn: A History of the Fetus in Modern America Leslie J. Reagan 2011
Jamie Q. Tallman The Notorious Dr. Flippin: Abortion and Consequence in the Early Twentieth Century Simone Caron 2011
Leslie J. Reagan Dangerous Pregnancies: Mothers, Disabilities, and Abortion in Modern America Margaret Marsh 2010
Simone Caron Who Chooses? American Reproductive History since 1830 Margaret Marsh 2008
Burns Gene The Moral Veto: Framing Contraception, Abortion, and Cultural Pluralism in the United States Keith Cassidy 2006
Johanna Schoen Choice & Coercion: Birth Control, Sterilization, and Abortion in Public Health and Welfare Jennifer Nelson 2005
Rickie Solinger Pregnancy and Power: A Short History of Reproductive Politics in America Janet Golden 2005
William Saletan Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War Leslie J. Reagan 2003
Jennifer Nelson Women of Color and the Reproductive Rights Movement Amy Kesselman 2003
Nathan Stormer Articulating Life’s Memory: U.S. Medical Rhetoric about Abortion in the Nineteenth Century Keith Cassidy 2002
Rickie Solinger Beggars and Choosers: How the Politics of Choice Shapes Adoption, Abortion, and Welfare in the United States Janet Farrell Brodie 2001
Leslie J. Reagan When Abortion Was a Crime: Women, Medicine, and Law in the United States, 1867–1975 David J. Garrow 1997
Dorothy Fadiman, Daniel Meyers, and Beth Seltzer, producers From Danger to Dignity: The Fight for Safe Abortion Amy Kesselman 1996
Janet Farrell Brodie Contraception and Abortion in Nineteenth–Century America Leslie J. Reagan 1994
F.L. Morton Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life: Abortion and the Courts in Canada Suzanne Staggenborg 1994
Eva R. Rubin, editor The Abortion Controversy: A Documentary History Sally G. McMillen 1994
David J. Garrow Liberty and Sexuality. The Right to Privacy and the Making of Roe v. Wade Donald T. Critchlow 1994
Suzanne Staggenborg The Pro-Choice Movement: Organization and Activism in the Abortion Conflict Alice Echols 1991
James C. Mohr Abortion in America: The Origins and Evolution of National Policy, 1800–1900 James Harvey Young 1978

The "abortion piills" in the OP could be dangerous no matter what one prescribing doctor says.

European doctor defies FDA orders to stop sending US women abortion pills by mail - CNN

SPF said:

If my opinion accurately reflects Biblical truth, then yes. In the same way if the law stated that it was permissible for parents to kill their children up until age 3, I would vehemently argue that that is immoral and we shouldn’t allow it.

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But, as I have pointed out, we disagree as to exactly when human life begins. Even among Christians there is not agreement.

We all agree that a 3-year-old is alive. In fact, if he/she was born in the US he/she is a full citizen not from the moment of conception but from the moment of birth. Thus that is a whole different situation

I thought this was well-written: Abortion

Archivist said:

But, as I have pointed out, we disagree as to exactly when human life begins. Even among Christians there is not agreement.

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Wouldn't wisdom then recommend erring on the side of the conservative? This isn't something we really want to be wrong about.

SPF said:

Wouldn't wisdom then recommend erring on the side of the conservative? This isn't something we really want to be wrong about.

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Yes. That is why you don’t want to force a rape victim to carry a fetus to term against her will.

Archivist said:

Yes. That is why you don’t want to force a rape victim to carry a fetus to term against her will.

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You got it backwards! The conservative approach would be to protect the innocent unborn human from being killed!

You've got two victims when pregnancy occurs from rape: The pregnant woman, and the unwanted, unborn child. The wrong thing to do is kill one of the victims.