It's not a caravan at the border, it's an invasion

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The Irish certainly had some hardships, minus the death marches, countless massacres, barren wasteland Reservations, and American Irish Boarding Schools.

The Armenians had the death marches, massacres, and indoctrination though, they are, by definition, white (claiming euro descendants).

However, that still doesn't mean White people TODAY are facing an invasion as I described in some of the injustices and atrocities that happened to Native Americans in this country.

I would suppose invasion would be a poor choice in wording, however, that is exactly what it is when the citizens of American are unstable financially (and unstable in other ways) to be taking on any more people who show a lack of respect for its laws/system, demanding that they be let in regardless of how WE feel and what we can handle.

We pay over 100 Billion for people who are illegally in here for healthcare and other means that WE OURSELVES do not get. How is that fair? Why would I want more of that? Why would I want my taxes to increase trying to afford more of these people who will end up accessing entitlements I cannot receive myself?
 
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Adorable. You repeat the word invasion bazillion times and hope someone gets scared.

Just for kicks here is the official use for the word ;

An invasion is a military offensive in which large parts of combatants of one geopolitical entity aggressively enter territory owned by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering; liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory; forcing the partition of a country; altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government; or a combination thereof. An invasion can be the cause of a war, be a part of a larger strategy to end a war, or it can constitute an entire war in itself. Due to the large scale of the operations associated with invasions, they are usually strategic in planning and execution.[citation needed]

So which part of that do those 150+ inviduals daily Mexico is letting through actually accomplish ?

Please first get a clue in regards to how many are illegally crossing the border each day and then get back with me.
Thousands..
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We pay over 100 Billion for people who are illegally in here for healthcare and other means that WE OURSELVES do not get. How is that fair? Why would I want more of that?

First, that 100 billion number is bogus (Does illegal immigration cost the United States more than $100 billion a year?)

Why would I want my taxes to increase trying to afford more of these people who will end up accessing entitlements I cannot receive myself?

So can we put you down as favoring Medicare for All so that you can receive those entitlements?

More importantly, though, is that illegal labor is totally worth every penny to US big business, which is why big business continues to employ it. Once again, the fat cats are getting over on both ends, both by not paying taxes on their employees as they should on the back end and by getting it cheaper on the front end.
 
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lease first get a clue in regards to how many are illegally crossing the border each day and then get back with me.
Thousands..

Sure, the news bit was talking about a specific crossing point and you know INVASION. Total daily numbers are of course bigger.
 
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Total daily numbers are of course bigger.

The numbers are increasing monthly. The future burden to the US taxpayers will be a heavy one. System overloads are in place and increasing daily.
M-Bob

 
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Actually, the number is pretty close to accurate.

Your article is citing people who want to include children as part of the workforce or future workforce.
FAIR included them ONLY as draining supply, not as future workforce or part of the workforce.

Quote:
While the study counts the cost of benefits such as Medicaid and English-language programs used by the citizen children of unauthorized immigrants, they do not include the taxes those citizens pay once they become adults and move out of their parents' household.
**Why in the heck would I calculate children into this survey as part of the workforce at present? They are draining funds right now, and not producing any revenue yet.

Quote:
"If you throw out the impact of the kids, you are also sort of stacking the deck for your preferred outcome," said Gretchen Donehower a researcher from the University of California, Berkeley, and a consultant on the National Academies of Sciences report.

The libertarian Cato Institute, an organization which favors more open immigration policy, is critical of the FAIR estimate because it doesn't look at the total effect of immigrants on the economy.

"They blame all the costs on the children, but ignore the taxes they will pay," said Alex Nowrasteh a senior immigration policy analyst for Cato.
**Again, the Cato Institute, being bias, since we know they openly support more influx of people

Why in the world would FAIR wish to report on people who cannot contribute to tax revenues? They are kids for heaven sake. All they are at this time is a "net drain".

If you have kids in your home, do they not cause a net drain on your finances? This question is not meant to be heartless to children, just factual. I have 2 little kids myself. They provide no income for the household. I pay for their every need. Why would I count them as a future income for the present, when they are at present not providing?

Cato is not thinking clearly. Understandable though since they clearly hold an open border policy.

Thanks for the read though.


So can we put you down as favoring Medicare for All so that you can receive those entitlements?

How in the world did you gather this from what I said? No I am not in favor of EVERYONE receiving free stuff. Only those that need it strictly. And I dont wish to pay for anyone that is here ILLEGALLY. They are breaking the law first of all, secondly, they show no respect for the native population by breaking the laws and taking our money.

I happen to be struggling by to make ends meet. I have no cable, no streaming, no pets, I dont even have a sofa for the living room. I haven't been able to replace one since the last one was worn out. I could go on, but the point is that I cannot receive any help. I am denied. I have a net income of 28k for my entire household (4 people) total before taxes. Why can I not receive at least a little help? I pay into it. How do illegals rate getting it and I cannot?

More importantly, though, is that illegal labor is totally worth every penny to US big business, which is why big business continues to employ it.

From a business standpoint, of course I would hire cheaper, less experienced labor. Especially if I could get away with it, and charge the same high prices. It's smart business.
The customer losses out though. Less experienced labor provides poor quality goods at virtually the cost as some high quality goods (other than name brands that automatically seem to skyrocket their prices above anyone else)

Those businesses just want to receive a higher profit margin. If I had a business, I would want my profits to be as maxed out as I could.

Any smart business person would do that. You would too, so don't get all hypocrite on me.

They are allowed to get away with it, and so they do it. Do you advocate for illegal labor? I dont. Thats why its called "illegal". There should be more restrictions and tighter grip on this matter I think. Illegal is illegal. Its breaking the law, which I would frown upon.
 
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Those businesses just want to receive a higher profit margin. If I had a business, I would want my profits to be as maxed out as I could.

Any smart business person would do that. You would too, so don't get all hypocrite on me.

Don't presume your moral failings apply to me.

No, all smart business people do not hire illegal labor.
 
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Don't presume your moral failings apply to me.

No, all smart business people do not hire illegal labor.

:scratch:

You misread. Read what I said more closely. This is one reason misunderstandings happen, people skim through the writing of others and get the meaning wrong.

I said:
From a business standpoint, of course I would hire cheaper, less experienced labor.

I never said illegal labor here. You were up in arms about businesses being "fat cats", to which I simply put that I would hire cheaper labor regardless of the experience. You see it all the time I am sure.

What you missed:
Do you advocate for illegal labor? I dont. Thats why its called "illegal". There should be more restrictions and tighter grip on this matter I think. Illegal is illegal. Its breaking the law, which I would frown upon.

Sorry you misunderstood. I suppose I could have put it better on my part.
 
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:scratch:

You misread. Read what I said more closely. This is one reason misunderstandings happen, people skim through the writing of others and get the meaning wrong.

I said:


I never said illegal labor here. You were up in arms about businesses being "fat cats", to which I simply put that I would hire cheaper labor regardless of the experience. You see it all the time I am sure.

What you missed:


Sorry you misunderstood. I suppose I could have put it better on my part.

I didn't misread.

But I do catch disingenuous arguments. I've been at the online discussion game since it began.
 
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The numbers are increasing monthly. The future burden to the US taxpayers will be a heavy one. System overloads are in place and increasing daily.

It might help to cut your trillion dollar+ engagements in Iraq and Afganistan (where you are actually losing ground), let alone new saber rattling with Iran.
 
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It might help to cut your trillion dollar+ engagements in Iraq and Afganistan (where you are actually losing ground), let alone new saber rattling with Iran.

Are you not from the states?
 
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I didn't misread.

But I do catch disingenuous arguments. I've been at the online discussion game since it began.

Yes, you did.

Er, wait a minute! God? Is that you?

Don't kid yourself sir. You do not know the hearts and minds of men. Dont presume you know what I am thinking and what I mean. You clearly misunderstood me and assumed I was okay with law breaking. Clearly by my previous post, I stated that I was against breaking the law. Who's morals are flawed now?

Why can't people just be honest when called out? Does it really hurt to remove your pride for one second?
 
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I look back on history, and I can find that letting in this many people so quickly and having no requirements of them (ie allowing them to have Americans benefits/entitlements so freely when they come in) and just basically overall mismanagement, is a bad thing.

Until the late 1800s, America had open borders. It's the society set up by the men who founded America. I'd say they did pretty well, wouldn't you?

The Roman empire began its decline with the mismanagement of the Goths, who were migrants coming into their lands due to fear of the Huns. See any similarities here today?

Perhaps you should read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as Gibbon wrote, "the innocent barbarians" were not the cause of Rome's decline. Indeed, barbarians spent a good deal of effort propping the decaying system up.

(paranoid fright deleted)

In fact, immigrants today enrich America as they always have. Reagan's description of America as a "shining city on a hill" where refugees become prosperous Americans remains a fact.

Here's some useful advice:
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Follow it.
 
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Perhaps you should read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as Gibbon wrote, "the innocent barbarians" were not the cause of Rome's decline. Indeed, barbarians spent a good deal of effort propping the decaying system up.

The "barbarians" didn't want to destroy Rome, they wanted to be Romans.

But the Romans kept making promises ("Just fight this one more war for us") and then reneging.

And yes, the barbarians did continue Roman culture for hundreds of years afterwards.

This is not different from America today, where employers illegally entice immigrants to come for jobs by any means possible, but say, "You can work, but you can't be a citizen."
 
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Adorable. You repeat the word invasion bazillion times and hope someone gets scared.

Just for kicks here is the official use for the word ;



An invasion is a military offensive in which large parts of combatants of one geopolitical entity aggressively enter territory owned by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering; liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory; forcing the partition of a country; altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government; or a combination thereof. An invasion can be the cause of a war, be a part of a larger strategy to end a war, or it can constitute an entire war in itself. Due to the large scale of the operations associated with invasions, they are usually strategic in planning and execution.[citation needed]

So which part of that do those 150+ inviduals daily Mexico is letting through actually accomplish ?

noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
"in 1546 England had to be defended from invasion"
synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"
synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
"every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"
synonyms: violation, infringement, interruption, disturbance, disruption, breach, infraction; intrusion into, encroachment on, trespass on, obtrusion into, interference with
"it was a terrible invasion of your privacy"
 
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noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
"in 1546 England had to be defended from invasion"
synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"
synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
"every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"
synonyms: violation, infringement, interruption, disturbance, disruption, breach, infraction; intrusion into, encroachment on, trespass on, obtrusion into, interference with
"it was a terrible invasion of your privacy"

But they're not uninvited, and they have been welcomed to come to America.

That's proven by the fact there are plenty of jobs for them in America.

If they were unwelcomed and uninvited, nobody would hire them.
 
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But they're not uninvited, and they have been welcomed to come to America.

That's proven by the fact there are plenty of jobs for them in America.

If they were unwelcomed and uninvited, nobody would hire them.

As numerous investigations have demonstrated, these people are more law-abiding than native-born Americans, add billions to our economy, and have greatly contributed to Social Security solvency (even though most of them will never see a penny of their contributtions).

That's why people are generally favorable to them...
https://immigrationforum.org/wp-con...rants-are-a-Benefit-to-the-Country-4.2019.png

Of course they are good for America. Even many republicans admit it.
 
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noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.




"in 1546 England had to be defended from invasion"
synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"
synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
"every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"
synonyms: violation, infringement, interruption, disturbance, disruption, breach, infraction; intrusion into, encroachment on, trespass on, obtrusion into, interference with
"it was a terrible invasion of your privacy"

We see proof every day that they do not need to be armed.
M-Bob
 
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