If there is a gap, Daniel 9:24 becomes a false statement

jgr · Oct 3, 2018

ToServe said:
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And he will confirm
וְהִגְבִּ֥יר (wə·hiḡ·bîr)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Hifil - Conjunctive perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1396: 1) to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to be strong, mighty 1a2) to prevail 1b) (Piel) to make strong,

◄ 1396. gabar ►
Strong's Concordance
gabar: to be strong, mighty
Original Word: גָּבַר
Short Definition: prevailed
Definition: to be strong, mighty

NASB Lexicon
NASB © Hebrew Strong's Origin
"And he will make a firm וְהִגְבִּ֥יר
(ve·hig·bir) 1396: to be strong, mighty

Gabar means great in strength from the phrase EL-Gabar meaning God is Great.

So the Messiah makes Great the Covenant (definite article) with many in one week (69th-week marker to the 70th-week expiry marker).

The context is prophetic to Jeremiah 31:31-35, that is the New Covenant that God is making to the Jews first through Christ's ministry where Christ is the Promised Seed who restores the Kingdom to God. This is the invisible Kingdom of Daniel 2:44 that does not come by observation.

That is why Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:25-26 for Jesus Christ must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Then the end will come, when he hands over the Kingdom of Daniel 2:44 to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

The End comes when the Gentiles come to be fully accounted for within the Book of Life through the ministry of his Church.

Note one very important sequence that corrobrates with Revelation chapters 7 and 14 in regards to the ministry to the Jews first as the 144,000 firstfruits.

each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Christ is the forerunner to the resurrection then we see the 144,000 firstfruits under the Mosaic Law and before the Cross being sealed by Christ's ministry before he is cut-off (crucified). Those who belong to him are the many Gentiles under the ministry of his Church who carry palm branches in their hands and who sing the song of the Lamb.

Jesus through his ministry is making Great the New Covenant that God is establishing through the Seed of Promise Jesus Christ. The many are suggestive of Gentiles inclusive through the continued ministry of his Church to the many Gentile nations of the world.

The Cross demarcates the ministry to the Jews as compared to the ministry to the Gentiles through his Church which is accredited to the Messiah making strong/great the New Covenant with many in one week and this week is as I have pictorially highlighted to you above.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ in chapters 7 and 14 differentiates the two ministries within that same week. Those 144,000 sing the song of Moses because they are the Mosaic Law Jews from every tribe who are sealed first as the firstfruits of the harvest after Christ ministered onto them before the ministry went out to the many Gentile nations abroad. The Gentile nations of Revelation 7 are those who would make their robes white by the blood of the Lamb and who in contrast to the 1st group sing the song of the Lamb because they are ministered to after the Cross by the Church (the Two witnesses / two anointed ones comprising of both Jews and Gentiles within the same Church)

Hiph`il Perfect הִגְבִּיר בְּרִית לְ confirm a covenant Daniel 9:27;

This is the only conjugation which references Daniel 9:27.

Messiah confirms a covenant. (Matthew 26:28)

claninja · Oct 4, 2018

Revealing Times said:
For starters, men STILL SIN.......I do, you do, we all do daily,

I agree:
1 John 1:8,10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

However, when we confess, we can trust that he forgives ours sins and purifies us from ALL unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us FROM ALL unrighteousness.

Do you not believe that when we ask for forgives we are purified from ALL unrighteousness?

Revealing Times said:
The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accept him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

Christ's death freed the Israelites from the transgression committed under the first covenant
Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the trasngression committed under the first covenant.

Do you believe the Old covenant is a contract that is still in full force between God and Israel?

Revealing Times said:
In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

Christ accomplished ending sin by his sacrifice AT THE CULMINATION OF THE AGES
Hebrews 9:26 But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Paul wrote that the CULMINATION OF THE AGES had come
1 Corinthians 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come

Revealing Times said:
2. This is fairly straightforward, Willful Sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no Willful Sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "willful sins will end". { Willful sins only means we chose to follow evil. We have natural flesh sins, and they will remain during the Millenial reign of Jesus, but Satan and his Demons will be locked in the pit, there will be no temptation, but all men living on earth will still be in their FLESH BODIES thus they will carry the stain of Sin Nature, but they will not DESIRE SIN, they might sin by getting angry, or by overeating, or by being a little lazy, etc. etc. etc. But men will not lust after evil the way they do now !! You get my pont brother ? Jesus will make an end to sins when he takes over. The very Hebrew word used means WILLFUL SINS not DAILY SINS. }

Born again believers DESIRE SIN before the "millennial reign"? I disagree, born again believers still do sin, however, it is not what we desire. As Paul puts it:
Romans 7:18-20,25 For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Christ ended/cancelled sin AT THE CULMINATION OF THE AGES by his sacrifice.
Daniel 9:26 But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to put away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Greek word for "put away" is: athétēsis – properly, annulment (cancellation), i.e. what is rendered "no longer in effect" (literally, "no longer having a place"). See 114 (atheteō).

Paul states the body of sin was ended by Christ's death, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.
Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

The greek word for "brought to nothing" is: katargéō (from 2596 /katá, "down to a point," intensifying 691 /argéō, "inactive, idle") – properly, idle down, rendering something inert ("completely inoperative"); i.e. being of no effect (totally without force, completely brought down); done away with, cause to cease and therefore abolish; make invalid, abrogate (bring to nought); "to make idle or inactive" (so also in Euripides, Phoen., 753, Abbott-Smith).

As it appears that you don't believe Christ's death on the cross put away or abolished sin, which is in direct conflict with scripture, I completely disagree with you.

Revealing Times said:
Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed,

Christ accomplished atonement for sins by his death.
Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them, k fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people

1 John 2:1 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Revealing Times said:
This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness,

So Christ has not fulfilled ALL righteousness yet?
Matthew 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.

Believers are not yet slaves to righteousness?
Romans 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

The righteous requirement of the law has not been fully met in us yet?
Romans 8:3-4 God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. c And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

ALL unrighteousness is not purified from us when we ask for forgiveness?
1 John 1:9 we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us FROM ALL unrighteousness.

Revealing Times said:
Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up,

Christ is the one that fulfills vision and prophecy
Matthew 5:18 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Revealing Times said:
The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy.

7+62 weeks UNTIL the ANOINTED one comes
Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem UNTIL the ANOINTED One, f the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’

When was Jesus Anointed? At his baptism
Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him

Thus, to anoint the most holy occurred at Christ's baptism.

Revealing Times said:
All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled.

I agree.

And if one is to insert a gap, then the 6 points must be fulfilled within the 70 weeks. If even 1 of the 6 points is fulfilled outside of the 70 weeks, in a gap, then Daniel 9:24 becomes a false statement.

What this does, is force the "gap theorists" to state that none of the 6 points have been accomplished yet. This is what you have clearly stated above, however scripture clearly disagrees with you. You stated your opinion on how all 6 points have not yet been fulfilled, but you have provided no scripture to back up your claims. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but supporting your opinions with scripture typically works better, especiallyy if you are going to say to someone else the following:

Revealing Times said:
You clearly do not quite understand the meaning or timeline

Revealing Times · Oct 4, 2018

claninja said:
I agree:
1 John 1:8,10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

However, when we confess, we can trust that he forgives ours sins and purifies us from ALL unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us FROM ALL unrighteousness.

Do you not believe that when we ask for forgives we are purified from ALL unrighteousness?

Yes sir, but that's always been the case, remember, it was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS unto Abraham because he BELIEVED God. All this denotes is his FAITH in God and his coming "Yeshua" which means SALVATION. But we still have, as in days of old, WILLFUL SINS to this day, of course, many, many, many men still sin wilfully. Only when Jesus returns, locks Satan in the pit, and wipes out the chaff (Beast and his evil minions on earth) which does away with sin (WILLFUL SINS).

Willful sins have not vanished, they are ever present today, demonstrably so, and it is almost to the point where its as in the "Days of Noah". Only when Jesus returns can WILLFUL SINS go away because only then does Satan get locked in the pit, the god of this world as we speak.

claninja said:
Christ's death freed the Israelites from the transgression committed under the first covenant
Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the trasngression committed under the first covenant.

Do you believe the Old covenant is a contract that is still in full force between God and Israel?

Once again the Prophecy is not about Jesus its against Jerusalem/Jews/Israel. The Jews were in Babylon because of SIN, then whilst there they had not repented, as a matter of fact many wanted to stay in Babylon. Thus God told Daniel via Gabriel that he was multiplying Jeremiah's original prophetic uttering X 7, which is clearly shown unto us in Leviticus as a proper judgment unto Israel if they fail to repent. Thus let's LOOK at what Gabriel shows Daniel as Daniel was praying and REPENTING for his people before God as he was reading Jeremiah, he says so in verse 2.

Dan. 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

So the 70 week judgment was prophesied by Jeremiah, the 70 X 7 was given unto Daniel because of his intercession for Israel/Jerusalem. He prays, and prays, and prays and then we get this:

Dan. 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name. 20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

So Daniel is of course praying for his and his fellow brethrens sins, that is why Judgment is upon them, it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ per se. It's on Jerusalem or THE JEWISH PEOPLES.

Dan. 9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

So Gabriel came forth to answer Daniel's prayers, and to give him understanding on the matter via the Jeremiah prophecies. Thereby the next verses have to be understood in that CONTEXT !!

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

It doesn't say SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon you until Jesus dies on the cross, it says 70 weeks are determined on on YOUR PEOPLE & Jerusalem to FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION !!

Do you get that brother ? The original prophetic JUDGMENT was issued by Jeremiah, it was for 70 Weeks or 70 YEARS and thus Israel was supposed to REPENT, and God as going to free them, take them back unto the Holy Land !! But they never repented, so God, as is called for in Leviticus, TIMES SEVENED the Judgment against Israel. Jesus can't REPENT for anyone, only we can repent! So why would anyone think Jesus dying on the cross is Israel/Jews repenting ? It just doesn't add up brothers. DETERMINED ON THY PEOPLE TO FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION !! Israel repents when the Two-witnesses show up on earth at the 1335, 75 days before the Beast Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260 (midway point), and 45 days before the 1290 (AoD).

Has Israel REPENTED or are the Jews still in sin via being against God ? They don't believe in Jesus, so you tell me, have they repented ? NO !! Of course not. They will finish the TRANSGRESSION when they REPENT, when the Two-witnesses show up, and then only 1/3 repent, 2/3 will perish. Jesus can not REPENT for Israel, he can and did die for their sins but he can not REPENT for them.

Jesus dies after 69 weeks, the prophecy says that, nt after 69 1/2 weeks, that is ADDING TO SCRIPTURES and we can't do that. Jesus frees no one who doesn't REPENT. The reason Israel's sins punishment was multiplied in the first place s they did not REPENT !! So God TIMES SEVENED it, and He did it in three specific prophecies not one !! a 7 X 7, a 62 X 7 and a 1 x 7.

claninja said:
Christ accomplished ending sin by his sacrifice AT THE CULMINATION OF THE AGES
Hebrews 9:26 But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Paul wrote that the CULMINATION OF THE AGES had come
1 Corinthians 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come

Christ dying on the cross paid for the sins, it did not end sins, Jesus RETURNING will do that via Willful Sins. I gotta eat, will look at the rest later, God bless.

mkgal1 · Oct 5, 2018

Revealing Times said:
They don't believe in Jesus, so you tell me, have they repented ?

Who do you think the early church were (the first seven years )?

Remember Pentecost? Who were Peter's audience?

Quoting Bible.org - Pentecost did come, as described in Acts 2:1-11, and the devout Jews who witnessed these events asked what they meant. Peter now tells them that these events signaled the coming of the Holy Spirit, as the Father promised, and as Jesus told His apostles. The sending of the Spirit could only come after, and as a result of, the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. This is clearly the teaching of our Lord and the apostles:

37 On the last day of the feast, the greatest day, Jesus stood up and shouted out, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me, and 38 let the one who believes in me drink. Just as the scripture says, ‘From within him will flow rivers of living water.’” 39 (Now he said this about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were going to receive, for the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:37-39)

It is also the teaching of the Apostle Paul:

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he captured captives; he gave gifts to men.” 9 Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth? 10 He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things (Ephesians 4:7-10).

Peter is very clear in what he is saying here in verses 33-36, and the implications are staggering. He claims that the spectacular arrival of the Spirit is the doing of our Lord Jesus:

“So then, exalted to the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you both see and hear” (Acts 2:33, emphasis mine). -
4. Peter's Sermon at Pentecost (Acts 2:14-36)

claninja · Oct 5, 2018

Revealing Times said:
Yes sir, but that's always been the case, remember, it was accounted as RIGHTEOUSNESS unto Abraham because he BELIEVED God.

I agree
romans 4:1-3 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

But the Jews, under the old covenant, pursued righteousness according to the works of Law and not by faith, thus they never obtained righteousness.
Romans 9:31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal.

The works of Law could never make anyone righteous or perfect.
Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

The Jews attempted to establish their own righteousness by the law, but that is impossible. But Christ, a Jew from the tribe of Judah, is the end of the law and thus an everlasting righteousness for all who believe.
Romans 10:3-4 Because they were ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4Christ is the end of the Law, in order to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.

Do those who don't believe nullify the atoning work of Christ? NO and let God be true and every other man a liar.
romans 3:3 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Absolutely not! Let God be true and every man a liar.

Do you believe that the righteousness of God, apart from the law, as attested by the law and prophets, that was revealed by the son, will go away? or is it everlasting for those who believe?
Romans 3:21 But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets

Revealing Times said:
Willful sins have not vanished, they are ever present today, demonstrably so

Again, I agree
1 John 1:8,10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Revealing Times said:
So the 70 week judgment was prophesied by Jeremiah,

The 70 "weeks" prophecy was prophesied by Jeremiah? Where in Jeremiah? I know the 70 "year" prophecy was prophesied by Jeremiah.

Daniel 9:2 I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years that, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

Revealing Times said:
the 70 X 7 was given unto Daniel because of his intercession for Israel/Jerusalem. He prays, and prays, and prays and then we get this:

I agree

Revealing Times said:
It doesn't say SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon you until Jesus dies on the cross, it says 70 weeks are determined on on YOUR PEOPLE & Jerusalem to FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION !!

I completely disagree, it is absolutely about Jesus, the Anointed one who would be put to death. And it is only by Christ's ministry, death, and resurrection that the 6 points of Daniel 9:24 could be fulfilled.
Daniel 9:25-26 Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, f the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

If it is not about Jesus, then it appears you believe it is up to the Jews to finish their own transgression, it is up to the Jews to put away their own sin, it is up to the Jews to atone for their own wickedness, it is up to the Jews to bring in their own everlasting righteousness, it is up to the Jews to seal vision and prophecy, and it is up to the Jews to anoint the most holy?

If this is your thinking, I disagree. It is Jesus who finished the transgression, it is Jesus who put away sin, it is Jesus who atoned for wickedness, it is Jesus who brought in everlasting righteousness, it is Jesus who sealed vision and prophecy, and it is Jesus, the most holy, who was anointed.

Not one old testament prophecy of Jesus, mentions the name "Jesus" specifically, so I wouldn't use that as an argument. Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly. Jesus, who was a Jew from Daniel's people, ended the transgression by fulfilling the law perfectly. And by this, he superseded Adam who represented the human race:
Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people

By the cross, Jesus redeems those who transgressed under the Old covenant
Hebrews 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant

By the cross, we have been forgiven of ALL our trespasses
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Revealing Times said:
Christ dying on the cross paid for the sins, it did not end sins,

So you don't believe that the body of sin was brought to nothing, you believe we are still slaves to sin?
Romans 6:6 We know that our old selfa was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

So you don't belief Christ cancelled/annulled/did away with sin, even though scripture states he did by his sacrifice?
Hebrews 9:26 But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

"to do away with": properly, annulment (cancellation), i.e. what is rendered "no longer in effect" (literally, "no longer having a place"). See 114 (atheteō).

Revealing Times said:
Jesus dies after 69 weeks, the prophecy says that, nt after 69 1/2 weeks, that is ADDING TO SCRIPTURES and we can't do that.

The number 70 comes after 69. If Jesus died AFTER 69 weeks, that would logically be in the 70th week. This is not "adding" to scripture. However, inserting a 2000+ year "gap" would be adding to scripture.

Revealing Times said:
Jesus RETURNING will do that via Willful Sins.

But according to those that believe in a future literal 1000 year earthly millennial reign, sin actually wouldn't be completely ended at Jesus 2nd coming. Sin will again occur after the 1000 years, no?

Revelation 20:7-8 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Revealing Times · Oct 6, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Who do you think the early church were (the first seven years )?

I know the early church were Jews, that is obvious. The Nation of Israel has not repented has a whole to this day though. There are some Jews that throughout history that do see Jess as the Messiah, we of course call them Messianic Jews, this is why Paul stated that Israel is BLIND IN PART...until the fullness of the Gentiles (Rapture of the Church) be come in. (Rom 11:25)

Israel is yet blinded, when the Two-witnesses show up Israel will turn to God, at least 1/3 do, see Zechariah ch 13. There will be 2/3 that perish.

claninja · Oct 6, 2018

Revealing Times said:
I know the early church were Jews, that is obvious. The Nation of Israel has not repented has a whole to this day though. There are some Jews that throughout history that do see Jess as the Messiah, we of course call them Messianic Jews, this is why Paul stated that Israel is BLIND IN PART...until the fullness of the Gentiles (Rapture of the Church) be come in. (Rom 11:25)

Israel is yet blinded, when the Two-witnesses show up Israel will turn to God, at least 1/3 do, see Zechariah ch 13. There will be 2/3 that perish.

Israel was called out of Egypt
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Jesus was called out of Egypt
Matthew 2:14-15 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt,where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.
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Israel was tested in the wilderness for 40 years
Deuteronomy 8:2 Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands.
Jesus was tested in the wilderness for 40 days
Mark 1:12-13 At once the Spirit sent him out into the wilderness, and he was in the wilderness forty days, being tested by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.

Where Israel failed in their test about hunger, Christ succeeded
Deuteronomy 8:2 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.
Matthew 3:2-4 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’
Where Israel failed and put the Lord to the test, Christ succeeded
Deuteronomy 6:16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah.
Matthew 4:5-7 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:“ ‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ c ” Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ d ”
Where Israel failed to the fear the Lord and serve him only, Jesus succeeded
Deuteronomy 6:13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Matthew 4:8-10 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9“All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’
_______________________________________________________________________________

Where Israel failed to be a vine that bore fruit, Jesus succeeded
Jeremiah 2:21 I had planted you like a choice vine from the very best seed. How could you turn yourself before me, into a rotten wild vine?
John 15:1-4 I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Where Israel failed to be the light to the nations, Jesus succeeded
Isaiah 49:6 I will also make you a light for the nations, that you may bring My salvation to the ends of the earth.”
John 8:12 Once again, Jesus spoke to the people and said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows Me will never walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”
_______________________________________________________________________________

Jesus is the true Israel, to whom the promises belong
Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”g meaning One, who is Christ.
And to whom the promises of God are all yes
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God.

Anyone who is in Jesus, is Israel
Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
Because as a husband and wife are one flesh, so is Christ and his bride
Ephesians 5:31-32 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”b This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.

So yes, Jesus is the true Israel that fulfilled all 6 points of Daniel 9:24. And guess what? He fulfilled them in the 70th week through his ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and sending of the holy spirit, exactly as prophesied, without some "2000+ year gap". Does the unbelief of those outside of Christ, outside of the true Israel, nullify the work of the cross? No and let every man who claims so be a liar.
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4Absolutely not! Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written:

Christian Gedge · Oct 6, 2018

claninja said:
So yes, Jesus is the true Israel that fulfilled all 6 points of Daniel 9:24. And guess what? He fulfilled them in 70th week through his ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and sending of the holy spirit, exactly as prophesied, without some "2000+ year gap". Does the unbelief of those outside of Christ, outside of the true Israel, nullify the work of the cross? No and let every man who claims so be a liar.

Worth repeating. :oldthumbsup:

LittleLambofJesus · May 23, 2019

iamlamad said:
The 70th week was and is for DANIEL'S people. Christ died for Jew and Gentile alike. He took away the sins of THE WORLD!

Daniel's people didn't include the Gentiles........just JEWS!

Daniel 12 and Olivet Discourse same event?

Daniel 12:1
And in time, that , Miyka'el shall standup, the Chief, the Great, the one standing over sons of people of thee.
And a Time/06256 `eth of distress/06869 tsarah becomes, which not occurred from to become of a Nation, until the time/06256 `eth, that.

Luke 21:23
"Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suck in those, the Days.
For shall be great distress upon the Land, and wrath upon this People[Jews/Judeans],[Matthew 24:19, Mark 13:17]

iamlamad · May 23, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Daniel's people didn't include the Gentiles........just JEWS!

Daniel 12 and Olivet Discourse same event?

Daniel 12:1
And in time, that , Miyka'el shall standup, the Chief, the Great, the one standing over sons of people of thee.
And a Time/06256 `eth of distress/06869 tsarah becomes, which not occurred from to become of a Nation, until the time/06256 `eth, that.

Luke 21:23
"Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suck in those, the Days.
For shall be great distress upon the Land, and wrath upon this People[Jews/Judeans],[Matthew 24:19, Mark 13:17]

Of course Daniel 12 and the Olivet discourse is talking about the very same events.

LittleLambofJesus · May 23, 2019

claninja said:
Israel was called out of Egypt
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Jesus was called out of Egypt
Matthew 2:14-15 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt,where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.
________________________________________________________________________________
Israel was tested in the wilderness for 40 years
Deuteronomy 8:2 Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands.
Jesus was tested in the wilderness for 40 days
Mark 1:12-13 At once the Spirit sent him out into the wilderness, and he was in the wilderness forty days, being tested by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.

Where Israel failed in their test about hunger, Christ succeeded
Deuteronomy 8:2 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.
Matthew 3:2-4 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’
Where Israel failed and put the Lord to the test, Christ succeeded
Deuteronomy 6:16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah.
Matthew 4:5-7 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:“ ‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ c ” Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ d ”
Where Israel failed to the fear the Lord and serve him only, Jesus succeeded
Deuteronomy 6:13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Matthew 4:8-10 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9“All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’
_______________________________________________________________________________

Where Israel failed to be a vine that bore fruit, Jesus succeeded
Jeremiah 2:21 I had planted you like a choice vine from the very best seed. How could you turn yourself before me, into a rotten wild vine?
John 15:1-4 I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Where Israel failed to be the light to the nations, Jesus succeeded
Isaiah 49:6 I will also make you a light for the nations, that you may bring My salvation to the ends of the earth.”
John 8:12 Once again, Jesus spoke to the people and said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows Me will never walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”
_______________________________________________________________________________

Jesus is the true Israel, to whom the promises belong
Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,”g meaning One, who is Christ.
And to whom the promises of God are all yes
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God.

Anyone who is in Jesus, is Israel
Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
Because as a husband and wife are one flesh, so is Christ and his bride
Ephesians 5:31-32 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”b This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.

So yes, Jesus is the true Israel that fulfilled all 6 points of Daniel 9:24. And guess what? He fulfilled them in the 70th week through his ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and sending of the holy spirit, exactly as prophesied, without some "2000+ year gap". Does the unbelief of those outside of Christ, outside of the true Israel, nullify the work of the cross? No and let every man who claims so be a liar.
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? 4Absolutely not! Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written:

Christian Gedge said:
Worth repeating.

The 70 weeks was all fulfilled on the 1st century Jews as prophecied.........

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.

iamlamad · May 23, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
The 70 weeks was all fulfilled on the 1st century Jews as prophecied.........

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.

Readers take note, untold MILLIONS of believers today know the 70th week is FUTURE.

LittleLambofJesus · May 23, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
The 70 weeks was all fulfilled on the 1st century Jews as prophecied.........

iamlamad said:
Readers take note, untold MILLIONS of believers today know the 70th week is FUTURE.

Readers take not.
And untold MILLIONS, [including about 1 BILLION Catholics, whom are Amil] believe it was fulfilled if I am not mistaken.

Daniel and the Great Unveiling – Catholic World Report

*snip*
.......Now if we put this all together, we conclude that pious Jews, studying the book of Daniel, would be expecting four wicked kingdoms to rise and fall before the final kingdom would be ushered in. Further, they would be anticipating that this consummation would occur around five hundred years after the Babylonian Captivity, which took place between 587 BC and around 500 BC. So now consider pious commentators in the first century. They had seen four great kingdoms emerge: Babylon, Persia, Greece, and finally Rome. More to it, they knew they were living just around five hundred years after the Captivity.
The upshot was that Messianic expectation was especially fevered among Jews as the first century got underway...........
=====================================

https://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/DANL.TXT

In Jerusalem (11.31) he stopped the continual daily sacrifice in
the temple, and set up the "abomination of desolation" there. In
view of the fact that Antiochus is the type of Antichrist, and in
view of the multiple fulfillment mentioned above in our study of
the 70 weeks of years, we may ask if this also foretells that the
Mass will be stopped at the time of the Antichrist-- we do not
know, and we recall Lk 18.8,and 2 Thes. 2.3) the abomination of
desolation was seen just before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD--
probably it was the entrance of the Roman military standards into
the Temple, with the eagles on them, which the soldiers
worshipped.

Now, beginning at 11,40 Daniel predicts disaster, but in unclear
language. By a sort of prophetic idealization (cf.Ez.39.4; Jl
3.2,12-13; Zech 14,2; Rev \Apoc 11.8) and Isaiah 17) he was
supposed to die near Jerusalem- actually it was, we think, in
Susa.(2 Mc 9).

Chapter 12
The opening words "at that time" show this pertains to the end
time. Then there will be a time of distress such as has not
happened before. The language of Mt.24.21 is similar on the
distress (thlipsis) to come then. Most likely it is from the
persecution carried on by the
Antichrist of which Antiochus IV was a type. Jesus said that if
those days had not been cut short, no one would survive. But they
will be shortened.

iamlamad · May 23, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Readers take not.
And untold MILLIONS, [including about 1 BILLION Catholics, whom are Amil] believe it was fulfilled if I am not mistaken.

Daniel and the Great Unveiling – Catholic World Report

*snip*
.......Now if we put this all together, we conclude that pious Jews, studying the book of Daniel, would be expecting four wicked kingdoms to rise and fall before the final kingdom would be ushered in. Further, they would be anticipating that this consummation would occur around five hundred years after the Babylonian Captivity, which took place between 587 BC and around 500 BC. So now consider pious commentators in the first century. They had seen four great kingdoms emerge: Babylon, Persia, Greece, and finally Rome. More to it, they knew they were living just around five hundred years after the Captivity.
The upshot was that Messianic expectation was especially fevered among Jews as the first century got underway...........
=====================================

https://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/DANL.TXT

In Jerusalem (11.31) he stopped the continual daily sacrifice in
the temple, and set up the "abomination of desolation" there. In
view of the fact that Antiochus is the type of Antichrist, and in
view of the multiple fulfillment mentioned above in our study of
the 70 weeks of years, we may ask if this also foretells that the
Mass will be stopped at the time of the Antichrist-- we do not
know, and we recall Lk 18.8,and 2 Thes. 2.3) the abomination of
desolation was seen just before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD--
probably it was the entrance of the Roman military standards into
the Temple, with the eagles on them, which the soldiers
worshipped.

Now, beginning at 11,40 Daniel predicts disaster, but in unclear
language. By a sort of prophetic idealization (cf.Ez.39.4; Jl
3.2,12-13; Zech 14,2; Rev \Apoc 11.8) and Isaiah 17) he was
supposed to die near Jerusalem- actually it was, we think, in
Susa.(2 Mc 9).

Chapter 12
The opening words "at that time" show this pertains to the end
time. Then there will be a time of distress such as has not
happened before. The language of Mt.24.21 is similar on the
distress (thlipsis) to come then. Most likely it is from the
persecution carried on by the
Antichrist of which Antiochus IV was a type. Jesus said that if
those days had not been cut short, no one would survive. But they
will be shortened.

No problem in your mind: since you insist the 70th week is history, then show us all the events from Rev. 8 through 16 (the 70th week) and WHEN they took place. This would include each trumpet judgment and each vial judgment with the plagues.

Readers take note: no one has ever shown us when each trumpet judgment took place. It is impossible because the trumpet judgments are still future. Since the trumpet judgments will come in the first half of the week, if the week is history then the trumpet judgments must be history.

LittleLambofJesus · May 23, 2019

iamlamad said:
No problem in your mind: since you insist the 70th week is history, then show us all the events from Rev. 8 through 16 (the 70th week) and WHEN they took place. This would include each trumpet judgment and each vial judgment with the plagues.

Readers take note: no one has ever shown us when each trumpet judgment took place. It is impossible because the trumpet judgments are still future. Since the trumpet judgments will come in the first half of the week, if the week is history then the trumpet judgments must be history.

The Trumpet judgements came upon the Jewish Religious Rulers and Rebels in 1st century Israel, Judea, Jerusalem...........tho there could be dual fulfillment on them in the future [IF they ever get a Temple built]................

Joshua 6 [7 Priests-7 trumpets-shofars] and Revelation [7 Messengers-7 trumpets]

The 7 TRUMPETS of REVELATION STUDY

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A
MILITARY POINT OF VIEW

POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological

=====================================================
Revelation 8 Commentary- Plagued by Trumpets
The Roman Assault on Israel Began around the Feast of Trumpets Hence the Seven Trumpets of Revelation—Thus Began the Jewish War.

In A.D. 66 while Judea was aflame in bloodshed, riot and revolt, Rome responded by sending the 12th legion in addition to thousands of auxiliaries from neighboring kingdoms.
These troops, as if orchestrated by God, arrived in Jerusalem in the Jewish month of Tishri, a month that begins with the Feast of Trumpets. Called the Day of Judgment, it is on this day that trumpets sound the somber days of atonement and final judgment (Leviticus 23:24, Numbers 29:1). Thus began the Jewish War.3

The A.D. 70 Doctrine View, Interpretation, Exposition and Commentary of Revelation 8: In Every Event that Fulfills the Seven Trumpets of Revelation an Audible Trumpet Sound Was Heard.

iamlamad · May 24, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
The Trumpet judgements came upon the Jewish Religious Rulers and Rebels in 1st century Israel, Judea, Jerusalem...........tho there could be dual fulfillment on them in the future [IF they ever get a Temple built]................

Joshua 6 [7 Priests-7 trumpets-shofars] and Revelation [7 Messengers-7 trumpets]

The 7 TRUMPETS of REVELATION STUDY

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A
MILITARY POINT OF VIEW

POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological

=====================================================
Revelation 8 Commentary- Plagued by Trumpets
The Roman Assault on Israel Began around the Feast of Trumpets Hence the Seven Trumpets of Revelation—Thus Began the Jewish War.

In A.D. 66 while Judea was aflame in bloodshed, riot and revolt, Rome responded by sending the 12th legion in addition to thousands of auxiliaries from neighboring kingdoms.
These troops, as if orchestrated by God, arrived in Jerusalem in the Jewish month of Tishri, a month that begins with the Feast of Trumpets. Called the Day of Judgment, it is on this day that trumpets sound the somber days of atonement and final judgment (Leviticus 23:24, Numbers 29:1). Thus began the Jewish War.3

The A.D. 70 Doctrine View, Interpretation, Exposition and Commentary of Revelation 8: In Every Event that Fulfills the Seven Trumpets of Revelation an Audible Trumpet Sound Was Heard.

During history, God has fulfilled many many prophecies with incredible accuracy. You must imagine God has lost that ability! NOTHING in history fits accurately each trumpet judgment. Go back and read them! Don't take my word for it! The ONLY way to make your theory work is to imagine inaccurate prophecies.

By the way, audible trumpet sounds have been heard for centuries. But WHEN did 1/3 of the seas turn to blood and many on the sea died? When did 1/3 of the fresh water turn to blood or become poison? When did God turn down 1/3 of the lights in the sky? I think you live in a dream world concerning prophecy.

mkgal1 · May 24, 2019

iamlamad said:
Readers take note: no one has ever shown us when each trumpet judgment took place. It is impossible because the trumpet judgments are still future.

Up until about 1830 - it's been believed that what John was writing about was actually relevant to the people that he wrote Revelation to back BEFORE 70 A.D.

Do you not see any connection to Revelation and Matthew 23 - especially verse 36?

Matthew 23:36 ~ Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Since the trumpet judgments will come in the first half of the week, if the week is history then the trumpet judgments must be history.

So your understanding of the 70 weeks looks like this?

Do you see how the premise of this thread is that, if there's a gap in the prophecy of Daniel, then v. 24 becomes false? How can an event occur in a gap of time? Wouldn't the prophetic time clock have begun ticking again with Jesus' crucifixion?

This is the image - below - of the 70 weeks according to the liturgical churches (the non-modern-day theological churches....ie prior to John Darby theology, but continuing):

mkgal1 · May 24, 2019

Quoting from linked article:
The context of the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy is NOT about the end-times.
The context of the passage is about Daniel’s people, the Jews, who were due to be released from Babylonian captivity, and Daniel had been praying about their future.

In the passage, God told Daniel (through His angel) that He was giving the Jews one last chance to repent of their sins, to reconcile with God, and to prepare for their coming Messiah, who would arrive in the 70th week of the prophecy.

The prophecy of the 70 Weeks of Daniel told the Jews EXACTLY what year the Messiah would appear.

Jesus disciples understood the timing of the prophecy and were expecting Him, as witnessed when Andrew told his brother Simon, “we have found the Messiah.”

Satan used the hard hearts of the Jewish leaders to hide it from them, which caused them to reject Jesus and deliver Him up to be crucified.

To understand the context of the prophecy, read the complete chapter of Daniel 9.

The focus of this study is Daniel 9:27: “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

The Covenant of Jesus is a perfect fit with the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 Weeks.
Many modern teachers say that the pronoun ‘he’ represents an end-time antichrist who makes a peace covenant with Israel. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Antichrist will make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone, let alone Israel.

The pronoun ‘he’ is referring to the previous noun, ‘prince’, from verse 26.

The prince is Jesus, as the word prince (nagiyd) in verse 26 is the same as in verse 25 which declares the arrival of Messiah the Prince (Jesus).

There are many verses that point to Jesus confirming a covenant during His ministry, which took place during the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel.

‘And He(Jesus) said to them, “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28

In these words we find four things which agree with the prophecy of Daniel 9:27:

“the One” who was to confirm the covenant, Jesus the Messiah;
“the covenant” itself, the renewed covenant made with Abraham;
that which “confirmed” the covenant, the blood of Christ;
those who receive the benefits of the covenant, the “many” who believe in Him as their Messiah.

These words correspond perfectly with those of the prophecy. “He shall confirm the covenant with many.”

~ The 70th Week Of Daniel Covenant Deception

mkgal1 · May 24, 2019

iamlamad said:
Readers take note, untold MILLIONS of believers today know the 70th week is FUTURE.

That means the majority of Jesus' and the apostle's teaching meant very little to their audience, if that were so.

mkgal1 · May 24, 2019

@iamlamad the saints under the altar in Revelation 6:9 were in anguish waiting for the judgment of God to avenge for their deaths (way back around 62 A.D.). You have them STILL waiting - thousands of years later. That seems unusually cruel to me.

Revelation 6:10- ~ And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?”

If there is a gap, Daniel 9:24 becomes a false statement

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

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