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zephcom · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Human population growth is the problem.

Of course it is. I suppose that is why the Republicans are trying to reduce the total population by putting an end to abortion....

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
I think the bankruptcies are probably necessary, but as harsh as I am about rural red voters, I don't think we should be "positive" about these farms going under. They're small businesses owned by hard-working poor people who've put their entire lives into something that, in many cases, has virtually zero equity.

And why isn't exporting half our food a good idea? That means our farmers are efficient and productive and have more sustainable businesses.

When we export commodities we are exporting our soil. We need our soil to remain here. We should be exporting our ag technology and equipment instead of our foodstuffs. "Teach 'em how to fish."

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

zephcom said:
Of course it is. I suppose that is why the Republicans are trying to reduce the total population by putting an end to abortion....

True. They are trying to be the morality police. Not a good idea.

zephcom · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
When we export commodities we are exporting our soil. We need our soil to remain here.

Good point. If enough of our soil gets exported, the earth will get all wobbly and likely fly out of its orbit.

We should probably stop exporting oil, minerals and anything else that comes out of the ground too just to be safe from a wobbly earth.

iluvatar5150 · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
When we export commodities we are exporting our soil. We need our soil to remain here.

huh?

Aldebaran · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
When we export commodities we are exporting our soil. We need our soil to remain here.

When commodities are consumed by Americans here, where does it go if it "remains here"? Hint: It doesn't stay in the fields.

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Not to mention that helps these farmers make money to keep their farms afloat, and help feed people in other parts of the world. Also gives those people things to eat that they might not be able to grow there.

Feeding the world is part of our diplomatic strategy. We really don't care about the people.

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
huh?

Continuous cropping of cereal grains depletes the soil, requiring more chemicals to sustain export yields. No good.

Aldebaran · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Feeding the world is part of our diplomatic strategy. We really don't care about the people.

Well, the bananas I eat have a little sticker on them that say they're from Hondurus. The canned Mackerel that I used to buy before tariffs skyrocketed the price is from China. I don't think either of those places are exporting those things because of a diplomatic strategy. They do it to make money, and I buy those things because I like eating them, and bananas aren't grown in the United States (that I'm aware of).

zephcom · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Feeding the world is part of our diplomatic strategy. We really don't care about the people.

I'm not so sure it is a 'diplomatic' strategy as much as it is a capitalistic strategy. Our capitalists like the money that flows in from feeding the world.

I suspect most of our politicians would rather the rest of the world starved. It would be way easier to take over the world if the world didn't have so many people.

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

Aldebaran said:
When commodities are consumed by Americans here, where does it go if it "remains here"? Hint: It doesn't stay in the fields.

I heard somewhere that there was a hunger problem in America.
The productivity of the soil should benefit us, not foreigners.

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Well, the bananas I eat have a little sticker on them that say they're from Hondurus. The canned Mackerel that I used to buy before tariffs skyrocketed the price is from China. I don't think either of those places are exporting those things because of a diplomatic strategy. They do it to make money, and I buy those things because I like eating them, and bananas aren't grown in the United States (that I'm aware of).

Apples and oranges (pun intended).

The Diplomacy of World Food: Goals, Capabilities, Issues and Arenas on JSTOR

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

zephcom said:
I'm not so sure it is a 'diplomatic' strategy as much as it is a capitalistic strategy. Our capitalists like the money that flows in from feeding the world.

I suspect most of our politicians would rather the rest of the world starved. It would be way easier to take over the world if the world didn't have so many people.

They should focus on taking over America first. Besides, who wants (shudder) the rest of the world.

Aldebaran · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
I heard somewhere that there was a hunger problem in America.
The productivity of the soil should benefit us, not foreigners.

I heard recently that there is enough food in the world to feed 26 billion people. The problem isn't that there isn't enough, but what is done with it. Left in the fields because it wasn't profitable to harvest, or thrown away at restaurants because it was leftover from the day's business, or thrown away at home because the people thought they would eat it, but changed their mind. Even grocery stores throw away food that is past its expiration date, even though still perfectly edible.

zephcom · May 23, 2019

Aldebaran said:
I heard recently that there is enough food in the world to feed 26 billion people. The problem isn't that there isn't enough, but what is done with it. Left in the fields because it wasn't profitable to harvest, or thrown away at restaurants because it was leftover from the day's business, or thrown away at home because the people thought they would eat it, but changed their mind. Even grocery stores throw away food that is past its expiration date, even though still perfectly edible.

Of course -if- we did have 26 billion people to feed, they would be standing on the fields that we would need to feed them....

iluvatar5150 · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Surprised you've never heard that.

I'm familiar with all of the words you used. It's the concept you used them to convey that confuses me.

iluvatar5150 · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
I heard somewhere that there was a hunger problem in America.
The productivity of the soil should benefit us, not foreigners.

Productivity follows profitability.

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

zephcom said:
Of course -if- we did have 26 billion people to feed, they would be standing on the fields that we would need to feed them....

Or living in Trump tower type 'projects'.

OldWiseGuy · May 23, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Productivity follows profitability.

For Monsanto maybe.

Aldebaran · May 23, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
For Monsanto maybe.

Or any farmer that produces the food that people need/want.

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