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Question about sexual assault and the victims purity.

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I already asked about this before a while ago but... what does the bible say about the purity of a victim of sexual violence. I am asking because I was groped while I was in a bible camp, and I was groomed online. I never really had sex with anyone so I'm technically a virgin, but I am still full of questions, and knowing people who were molested I cant help but be depressed.

If someone could send what the bible says about the purity or virginity of those who were raped, that will be appreciated. It's to the point where I'm screaming at God about this...
 
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Jesus goes by your heart. If you have not on purpose broken your virginity, to Him you are faithful and clean. Your past is forgiven, as far as any sins are concerned, and cleared as far as bad things which have been done to you. These things, though, can be allowed to come to our memory, but we can resist how Satan would effect us with our past sins and hurts >

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies" (in Psalm 23:5).

So, we can have all our Father would share with us, of His own table before us, even right in the presence of any enemy, at all, including memories which are enemies.

What He might be much more concerned about is how well we forgive others who have violated us. What matters is we do not allow evil people to have power over us to decide how we are and if we love and forgive or not.

So . . . prayer for us > trusting You, LORD, who are able to change any of us to be Your way in loving. And we have Jesus family people who love us and who accept us, even while there might be ones who don't. So, know you are loved by us who know how to love. If ones do not know how to love you, may God bless us to have hope for such people who are missing out on so much, and have compassion for them. And as we grow in Jesus love, be their example to help them find out how to love > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7). Amen, in the name of Jesus Your Son.
 
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Jesus goes by your heart. If you have not on purpose broken your virginity, to Him you are faithful and clean. Your past is forgiven, as far as any sins are concerned, and cleared as far as bad things which have been done to you. These things, though, can be allowed to come to our memory, but we can resist how Satan would effect us with our past sins and hurts >

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies" (in Psalm 23:5).

So, we can have all our Father would share with us, of His own table before us, even right in the presence of any enemy, at all, including memories which are enemies.

What He might be much more concerned about is how well we forgive others who have violated us. What matters is we do not allow evil people to have power over us to decide how we are and if we love and forgive or not.

So . . . prayer for us > trusting You, LORD, who are able to change any of us to be Your way in loving. And we have Jesus family people who love us and who accept us, even while there might be ones who don't. So, know you are loved by us who know how to love. If ones do not know how to love you, may God bless us to have hope for such people who are missing out on so much, and have compassion for them. And as we grow in Jesus love, be their example to help them find out how to love > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7). Amen, in the name of Jesus Your Son.
I have another question... would God still consider people who were assaulted as virgins, or as damaged goods...? I'm still confused if people should consider themselves virgin or not, or if God sees them that way. Whether or not I'm pure or sexually polluted. Whether or not I should try to find a wife or having to live a miserable single life, and maybe a miserable life in heaven since I would have no family...
 
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would God still consider people who were assaulted as virgins, or as damaged goods...?
Hi, Devin :) It is good to see you, again :)

The Bible says that if any person is in Jesus, the person's old past is gone > "passed away" > 2 Corinthians 5:17. And the person has a new beginning.

So, to me this would mean that as far as God is concerned, you are new, in Jesus. What this evil world did to you does not decide how God sees you and all He pleases to do with you. And God will do all which He is committed to doing with you, in every detail. He will not fail.

So, with God you can't miss out on anything which matters to Him.

My opinion, then, for you to evaluate for yourself, is that > to God, no you are not damaged goods.

But, Devin > we all still need deep correction so we are not giving in to how this evil world would effect us . . . now.

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

It helps me to forgive ones who have bullied and violated me, in my past. Also, when people now do evil awful things to me, I do well to get with God in prayer, and trust Him to correct me so I am loving those people and I am ready to be their example of how to love . . . so God can use me to help them find out who Jesus is and how to love.

Jesus has done this with us. He expects us to follow His example. Why expect less? This is so good, what Jesus wants to share with us.

But yes it is impossible for any of us. If you get to know some Christians who are more real and who really can forgive, I'll be they will tell you they were not always this way, but they needed to get right with God and be changed to be more like Jesus so they could really love even awful people . . . like Jesus did, on the cross.

So, I would say you are not some special case without hope in your case. But God sees us better than we do, and love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

So, I am honored and pleased to meet you, and God bless you :)
 
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I already asked about this before a while ago but... what does the bible say about the purity of a victim of sexual violence. I am asking because I was groped while I was in a bible camp, and I was groomed online. I never really had sex with anyone so I'm technically a virgin, but I am still full of questions, and knowing people who were molested I cant help but be depressed.

If someone could send what the bible says about the purity or virginity of those who were raped, that will be appreciated. It's to the point where I'm screaming at God about this...
Having been groped or raped is not a sin on the victim's part.

I have another question... would God still consider people who were assaulted as virgins, or as damaged goods...? I'm still confused if people should consider themselves virgin or not, or if God sees them that way. Whether or not I'm pure or sexually polluted. Whether or not I should try to find a wife or having to live a miserable single life, and maybe a miserable life in heaven since I would have no family...
He sees them as wounded people.

Virginity means one hasn't had sex with another person. Losing that by being forced doesn't make a person filthy or morally polluted. It means they have been hurt against their will. It does not make marrying an eligible person an immoral choice for them. You are free to marry an eligible woman.

Please do her and any children you may have a favor, though. See a therapist who specializes in sexual trauma to help heal some of that hurt. There is no better time to start than now.
 
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Hi, Devin :) It is good to see you, again :)

The Bible says that if any person is in Jesus, the person's old past is gone > "passed away" > 2 Corinthians 5:17. And the person has a new beginning.

So, to me this would mean that as far as God is concerned, you are new, in Jesus. What this evil world did to you does not decide how God sees you and all He pleases to do with you. And God will do all which He is committed to doing with you, in every detail. He will not fail.

So, with God you can't miss out on anything which matters to Him.

My opinion, then, for you to evaluate for yourself, is that > to God, no you are not damaged goods.

But, Devin > we all still need deep correction so we are not giving in to how this evil world would effect us . . . now.

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

It helps me to forgive ones who have bullied and violated me, in my past. Also, when people now do evil awful things to me, I do well to get with God in prayer, and trust Him to correct me so I am loving those people and I am ready to be their example of how to love . . . so God can use me to help them find out who Jesus is and how to love.

Jesus has done this with us. He expects us to follow His example. Why expect less? This is so good, what Jesus wants to share with us.

But yes it is impossible for any of us. If you get to know some Christians who are more real and who really can forgive, I'll be they will tell you they were not always this way, but they needed to get right with God and be changed to be more like Jesus so they could really love even awful people . . . like Jesus did, on the cross.

So, I would say you are not some special case without hope in your case. But God sees us better than we do, and love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

So, I am honored and pleased to meet you, and God bless you :)
So... he would see sexual assault victims as virgin?
 
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In my opinion, if someone has not consented, He considers the person virgin.

Also, if a person who was an immoral person trusts in Jesus, the person begins new > 2 Corinthians 5:17.

What really matters is if we are virgin in our hearts. And this especially means we do not have any relating with arguing and complaining and unforgivenesss and other anti-love, impure things. But we are faithful to our Groom Jesus, by being pure in our hearts. And God's love makes us more and more new in our nature > 1 John 4:17 > better than how physical virginity can.
 
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In my opinion, if someone has not consented, He considers the person virgin.

Also, if a person who was an immoral person trusts in Jesus, the person begins new > 2 Corinthians 5:17.

What really matters is if we are virgin in our hearts. And this especially means we do not have any relating with arguing and complaining and unforgivenesss and other anti-love, impure things. But we are faithful to our Groom Jesus, by being pure in our hearts. And God's love makes us more and more new in our nature > 1 John 4:17 > better than how physical virginity can.
Well, what about the verses in deuteronomy, where the rapist pays off her virginity, which is priced at 50 shekels? Then the victim has to marry the rapist? Just, when the bible says to wait before having sex, and you are forced, it seems like even if you are forced you still sinned, against your will.

Having been groped or raped is not a sin on the victim's part.


He sees them as wounded people.

Virginity means one hasn't had sex with another person. Losing that by being forced doesn't make a person filthy or morally polluted. It means they have been hurt against their will. It does not make marrying an eligible person an immoral choice for them. You are free to marry an eligible woman.

Please do her and any children you may have a favor, though. See a therapist who specializes in sexual trauma to help heal some of that hurt. There is no better time to start than now.

I dont have a wife or children. I'm single.
 
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Well, what about the verses in deuteronomy, where the rapist pays off her virginity, which is priced at 50 shekels? Then the victim has to marry the rapist? Just, when the bible says to wait before having sex, and you are forced, it seems like even if you are forced you still sinned, against your will.
This literally bothered me enough several years ago that I asked a rabbi about it - after all, Jews believe they need to keep as much of the OT law as possible. The answer from him was that she is not compelled to marry him, but he must pay the fine regardless. Fathers have the right of refusal to marry their daughters off (see Exodus 22:17) and according to Jewish tradition, the father asks his daughter if she wants to marry the man that he is considering marrying her off to, as Rebekah's father did (see Genesis 24:57-58). If he doesn't get her consent, it's against tradition.

I dont have a wife or children. I'm single.
Right. What I said was for if/when they come into the picture. When you make good, healthy decisions now, that will benefit you in later years, which, if you end up having a family, will benefit them as well as you.
 
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This literally bothered me enough several years ago that I asked a rabbi about it - after all, Jews believe they need to keep as much of the OT law as possible. The answer from him was that she is not compelled to marry him, but he must pay the fine regardless. Fathers have the right of refusal to marry their daughters off (see Exodus 22:17) and according to Jewish tradition, the father asks his daughter if she wants to marry the man that he is considering marrying her off to, as Rebekah's father did (see Genesis 24:57-58). If he doesn't get her consent, it's against tradition.


Right. What I said was for if/when they come into the picture. When you make good, healthy decisions now, that will benefit you in later years, which, if you end up having a family, will benefit them as well as you.
Is there anything in the new testament that talks about virginity/purity, or what jesus thinks of the virginity/purity status of one who was raped?
 
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Is there anything in the new testament that talks about virginity/purity, or what jesus thinks of the virginity/purity status of one who was raped?
The NT doesn't talk about rape at all. It does talk quite a bit about sin and guilt, though. It doesn't talk about any sinful deeds that aren't consented to. Rape by definition isn't asked for or consented to.

Does he see virgins who were raped as virgins, or are they sexually defiled and impure, not fit for marriage like what the old testament says???
The Old Testament does not teach that those who were raped as virgins are not fit for marriage. The laws in Deuteronomy 22:25-29 do not indicate guilt on the virgin's part in any way. If there was guilt, then verses 25-27 would indicate that there was guilt on the betrothed woman, but rather it teaches the opposite - she was still betrothed, and able to marry her betrothed. The difference between her and the unbetrothed woman in verses 28-29 is the betrothal, no other difference is indicated. Therefore, the legal action called for in verses 28-29 doesn't have to do with the victim's moral worthiness, but her marketability in that time and culture. As fewer men would have wanted to marry her, the rapist deprived her of a chance to get married, therefore he has to step in and fill that gap. Hence, he has to pay the bride-price a suiter would have had to pay, and if the father and bride wish it, marry her and thereby provide for her without the right to divorce her as a normal husband under the Mosaic Law would.
 
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The NT doesn't talk about rape at all. It does talk quite a bit about sin and guilt, though. It doesn't talk about any sinful deeds that aren't consented to. Rape by definition isn't asked for or consented to.


The Old Testament does not teach that those who were raped as virgins are not fit for marriage. The laws in Deuteronomy 22:25-29 do not indicate guilt on the virgin's part in any way. If there was guilt, then verses 25-27 would indicate that there was guilt on the betrothed woman, but rather it teaches the opposite - she was still betrothed, and able to marry her betrothed. The difference between her and the unbetrothed woman in verses 28-29 is the betrothal, no other difference is indicated. Therefore, the legal action called for in verses 28-29 doesn't have to do with the victim's moral worthiness, but her marketability in that time and culture. As fewer men would have wanted to marry her, the rapist deprived her of a chance to get married, therefore he has to step in and fill that gap. Hence, he has to pay the bride-price a suiter would have had to pay, and if the father and bride wish it, marry her and thereby provide for her without the right to divorce her as a normal husband under the Mosaic Law would.
Hmmm... I went to see a therapist and she said there is the physical body and spiritual body. Maybe if someone was raped, they would still be virgin in their spiritual body?
 
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Hmmm... I went to see a therapist and she said there is the physical body and spiritual body. Maybe if someone was raped, they would still be virgin in their spiritual body?
The spiritual body comes into play at the resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). Since none will marry or be given in marriage after that (Matthew 22:30), virginity will be irrelevant at that point. But you are onto something as rape of the body does not morally taint the soul. The sins of fornication and adultery do, but they need to be consented to, and again, rape by definition is not consensual.
 
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The spiritual body comes into play at the resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). Since none will marry or be given in marriage after that (Matthew 22:30), virginity will be irrelevant at that point. But you are onto something as rape of the body does not morally taint the soul. The sins of fornication and adultery do, but they need to be consented to, and again, rape by definition is not consensual.
...but theres still many laws regarding to keep virginity... and many parables are of virgins... and virginity is one of the most important things in the bible...
 
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...but theres still many laws regarding to keep virginity... and many parables are of virgins... and virginity is one of the most important things in the bible...
You're overstating it. Virginity is good, but it is not required to be good, otherwise no married people or widows/widowers could be good, as they wouldn't be virgins anymore. Yet, there are plenty of married people and widows in Scripture who were commended as good or blameless. The moral virtue is in the act of choosing to save sex for marriage, or in choosing to remain faithful to your spouse, or in choosing to remain loving to your spouse. On the other hand, there is no moral virtue inherently gained or inherently lost by what is done to a person - it's the response to what was done to the person that counts.
 
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You're overstating it. Virginity is good, but it is not required to be good, otherwise no married people or widows/widowers could be good, as they wouldn't be virgins anymore. Yet, there are plenty of married people and widows in Scripture who were commended as good or blameless. The moral virtue is in the act of choosing to save sex for marriage, or in choosing to remain faithful to your spouse, or in choosing to remain loving to your spouse. On the other hand, there is no moral virtue inherently gained or inherently lost by what is done to a person - it's the response to what was done to the person that counts.
Okay so, I did some digging and asked some pastors and therapists. And I dont believe we should count rape as something that takes away virginity. Which does go to the spiritual body. When we commit adultery it is against our own spiritual body. Rape and molestation wouldnt hurt the spiritual body of other people. Scars are still there, but I dont think those scars would mean a virgin who was raped wouldnt be a virgin anymore.
 
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