Abortion Pill & Morning After Pill Contraception

I am staunchly pro life. But, while I don't see anything in the scriptures that would indicate that God waits to put a spirit or a soul in the conceived person - I do believe that Halbhh makes some good points none the less.

Neither the law, nor the medical community nor most Christians look at the termination of the product of conception as abortion when it is done in the case of ectopic pregnancies where the fetus has not been planted in the uterus of the mother.

If one is pro life and still feels that the termination of an ectopic pregancy is not abortion as such - support for the morning after pill (where the conception has also not been planted in the uterus) is not really much farther afield if the truth be known.

His student said:

I am staunchly pro life. But, while I don't see anything in the scriptures that would indicate that God waits to put a spirit or a soul in the conceived person - I do believe that Halbhh makes some good points none the less.

Neither the law, nor the medical community nor most Christians look at the termination of the product of conception as abortion when it is done in the case of ectopic pregnancies where the fetus has not been planted in the uterus of the mother.

If one is pro life and still feels that the termination of an ectopic pregancy is not abortion as such - support for the morning after pill (where the conception has also not been planted in the uterus) is not really much farther afield if the truth be known.

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The use of a morning after pill in cases of rape or incest does not bother me. The Catholic church approved of contraceptive use by nuns were who were being raped in the Congo during the 1960's.

The scripture says "cast all your cares upon him for he careth for you'' ( 1 peter 5:7)

To me one thing we have to understand is a life that is in Christ should be totally depended on him.

when we bear our burdens alone, take a step by ourselves to solve our problems, then we come out of God's help and rely on our own ability.

the scripture says ''eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, neither has it come into the heart of man what God has prepared for them that love him''( 1 corrinthians 2:9).

out of every bad situation, there is a glory that is attached to it.

God has greater plans for us beyond any problem we can encounter in life.

let's trust our father to bring the best out of every worst situation for us to the glorification of his name.

Romans 10:11 ''says whoever believes in him will never be put to shame''.

blessings

I wonder why every topic on abortion gets front page news.

dqhall said:

The use of a morning after pill in cases of rape or incest does not bother me. The Catholic church approved of contraceptive use by nuns were who were being raped in the Congo during the 1960's.

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They did. But the 'morning after pill' is a different thing. It's purpose is not to prevent ovulation or conception but to prevent implantation. That was not approved. And it was only approved for unmarried women, who had already chosen lifelong celibacy, who were routinely being raped. No real comparison in the action of the drugs.

Danielwright2311 said:

I wonder why every topic on abortion gets front page news.

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Not every topic on abortion. It's rather one sided. People who regret their abortions? Crickets. Happy children who were conceived in rape? Crickets.Any possibility of a link between abortion and cancer? Crickets. Abortion is presented as the best thing since sliced bread by the Media. The New Your Times tries very hard not to even mention the annual March For Life in Washington DC. The ONLY reason it was in the news at all this year was because that poor kid was being accused by the Media of disrespecting an Indian 'Elder'. Who wasn't an elder but a plain old member of the Omaha Tribe, and that guy was harassing the kid as video actually showed. So, only some topics on abortion are fit to print, to televise, to hit the airwaves.

chevyontheriver said:

Not every topic on abortion. It's rather one sided. People who regret their abortions? Crickets. Happy children who were conceived in rape? Crickets.Any possibility of a link between abortion and cancer? Crickets. Abortion is presented as the best thing since sliced bread by the Media. The New Your Times tries very hard not to even mention the annual March For Life in Washington DC. The ONLY reason it was in the news at all this year was because that poor kid was being accused by the Media of disrespecting an Indian 'Elder'. Who wasn't an elder but a plain old member of the Omaha Tribe, and that guy was harassing the kid as video actually showed. So, only some topics on abortion are fit to print, to televise, to hit the airwaves.

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Well ive seen it every day for like a month, its getting old, its also old news. Its been a fight for many years.

Danielwright2311 said:

Well ive seen it every day for like a month, its getting old, its also old news. Its been a fight for many years.

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You will see much more of it now. One sided coverage, or maybe just a token quote here and there if they can find someone who they think might embarrass the pro-life side. There will be news of protests now every day. It will be as big as the Trump Derangement coverage, and even merge into that. No end until they 1.) convince you that you dare not oppose abortion and that they 2.) arrange for you to pay for it through your taxes, killing off the Hyde Amendment, and 3.) Put Alabama and other states in the doghouse for daring to oppose abortion. You haven't seen anything yet. Brace for impact.

chevyontheriver said:

You will see much more of it now. One sided coverage, or maybe just a token quote here and there if they can find someone who they think might embarrass the pro-life side. There will be news of protests now every day. It will be as big as the Trump Derangement coverage, and even merge into that. No end until they 1.) convince you that you dare not oppose abortion and that they 2.) arrange for you to pay for it through your taxes, killing off the Hyde Amendment, and 3.) Put Alabama and other states in the doghouse for daring to oppose abortion. You haven't seen anything yet. Brace for impact.

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I pray for this world.

ChristianForCats said:

Jacob, for one thing, men don't have to worry about Plan B.

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Actually we do; because any subsequent pregnancy from a woman's choice not to take the pill would affect us greatly.

ChristianForCats said:

Coffee, that is great, but unfortunately, not all women get pregnant through a good relationship. That is a big reason people hate hte Alabama law: no exceptions for singles who were raped by bad men. They are people who nefed the so-called "morning-after pill" and, sadly, either don't have access to it or don't even know about it.

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Saying someone doesn't have access isn't really a valid argument. Local CVS, local Walgreen's, local Walmart pharmacy....all of these places are "everywhere".

chevyontheriver said:

But when it says 'and every single yes vote was cast by a white man' it's misleading, for in the Alabama House, according to the very same article, six women voted for it. So NOT every single vote for it in the Alabama legislature was by a white male. Perhaps that was the case in the Alabama Senate, but I have not truth checked that. It is certainly NOT the case in the Alabama House.

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But the article is discussing the Alabama Senate when it says every yea vote was cast by a white male. You are correct that six women voted for it in the House and it was signed by a female governor. Alabama Has just 22 women in its state legislature, 15.7%. That is below the national average. There is only one state where women make up more than half of the legislature, that being Nevada.

I am writing about the immorality of men telling women what to do with unwanted or criminally-forced pregnancies?

JacobKStarkey said:

I am writing about the immorality of men telling women what to do with unwanted or criminally-forced pregnancies?

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Can you explain how a person's gender plays a role in discussing the morality of killing an innocent and vulnerable human being?

SPF, a fetus has limited protection under law and is not recognized as a "human being" under law as you would prefer.

JacobKStarkey said:

SPF, a fetus has limited protection under law and is not recognized as a "human being" under law as you would prefer.

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You are absolutely correct. But the secular law has no impact at all upon the morality of abortion. The fact that it is legal doesn't make it morally acceptable.

SPF said:

Can you explain how a person's gender plays a role in discussing the morality of killing an innocent and vulnerable human being?

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Well, you will never become pregnant as a result of a rape, and will never be in a position of having to carry your attacker’s fetus to term. How is it morally acceptable for you or the Alabama legislature or anyone else to force a woman to do that against her will?

JacobKStarkey said:

SPF, a fetus has limited protection under law and is not recognized as a "human being" under law as you would prefer.

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Same could be said of slaves in the 1800s. You realize the obvious parallels in such an argument? You literally can take the word fetus and replace it with slave and it fit perfectly into the defense of slavery in the 1840s prior to the Dred Scott decision.

Man's law should not be the compass of morality. It is obviously broken.

Archivist said:

Well, you will never become pregnant as a result of a rape, and will never be in a position of having to carry your attacker’s fetus to term. How is it morally acceptable for you or the Alabama legislature or anyone else to force a woman to do that against her will?

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Because the woman that signed it into law happened to be Alabama's governor.

98cwitr said:

Because the woman that signed it into law happened to be Alabama's governor.

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Yes I already said that (post 72). The fact that it was signed by a woman is irrelevant. It is going to go up to the US Supreme Court and be overturned on appeal.