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Well that at least makes sense to me. I get it, but I think it might not be very satisfying when most Trump supporters respond with: "Yeah, we don't care at all."
Has he said he didn't do business with Russians?
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Or, as I'm sure would be argued in this scenario, it would show that some Russian people influenced his business decisions (which, I'm fairly certain is in no way illegal), but that he made policy decisions independent of that. Which pretty much leaves the populace as divided on the issue as they are currently.
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I wonder where all the people who suddenly care about transparence were when Barrack Hussain Obama was in office with his so called transparent administration?
Was Obama Administration the Most Transparent or the Least?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b32470eb81f
So Much For Obama's Pledge To Transparency
The reason Trump was elected by the American People is because of all the damage to our reputation, our economy, and our very essence that occurred under the administration of Barrack Hussain Obama. Donald Trump even campaigned on Making America Great Again, something that Obama was keen on destroying. Sorry liberals, but the American people have spoken and Mom, God, and Apple Pie are coming back in style!
Was Obama Administration the Most Transparent or the Least?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b32470eb81f
So Much For Obama's Pledge To Transparency
The reason Trump was elected by the American People is because of all the damage to our reputation, our economy, and our very essence that occurred under the administration of Barrack Hussain Obama. Donald Trump even campaigned on Making America Great Again, something that Obama was keen on destroying. Sorry liberals, but the American people have spoken and Mom, God, and Apple Pie are coming back in style!
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Nixon's Enemies List - Wikipedia
Hmm, wonder what else Donald's doing that's similar to Nixon? United States v. Nixon - Wikipedia
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The democrats are really entertaining. It’s fun to watch them fall all over themselves trying to get Trump.
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He promised to release the tax returns when he got elected and the american people elected him, so they clearly trust him enough that he doesnt have to release his tax returns.
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Cool, so he said he had no "current" deals in Russia, didn't know Putin at that time, and didn't know the inner workings of the Russian government. Maybe you could catch him on one of those things. And then add that to the list of several hundred other lies which he has told. I still am not sure where this will get anyone. Certainly it would be great if our presidents and other politicians weren't allowed to lie, but is that the case?
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He also claimed to have no debt in Russia, which contradicts Trump Jr. claims made back in 2008. It's certainly possible that what Trump Jr. said in 2008 was no longer true, but i'm skeptical.
"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008."
Trump's oldest son said a decade ago that a lot of the family's assets came from Russia
Feel free to move the goal posts again (remember when you simply asked "Has he said he didn't do business with Russians?"), but Trump and those in his campaign repeatedly lied about their contacts and associations with Russians. That Mueller didn't find proof of Trump coordinating with the hacking activities (i.e. criminal conspiracy) doesn't change that fact.
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Yes, I'm "moving the goalposts"...I asked a question, which you answered, and then moved on from there. Isn't that normally the way a conversation goes? As for whether Trump currently does or does not have any debt in Russia, I haven't the slightest idea. I wouldn't take him at his word that he doesn't, but I just think it is unrealistic to expect him to be removed from office if he does.
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No doubt. And anyone who believes such decisions can be made independently does not truly understand human beings.
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You asked the question, with the context "why are people bringing this up, did Trump even claim that he didn't have any business in Russia?", then, when shown that Trump did, in fact say that specifically and repeatedly, you dismiss it with "well who cares?". Why ask the question if your response was going to be "who cares?" anyway?
Having debt to Russia itself isn't impeachable. Not disclosing that debt is certainly a problem. Actions in office that might have been done for personal benefit in the context of that debt could absolutely be impeachable offenses.
He's been cozying up to Putin since his time in his campaign, with actions including, but not limited to, publicly taking Putin's word over our intelligence agencies regarding Russian collusion. If it turns out he was indebted to Russia while he was taking Russia's claims over our intelligence agencies claims, well, that might indicate that his allegiance was compromised.
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I didn't say "who cares?" because it's obvious that people, yourself included, do. What I've been trying to figure out is what people who care expect to see as an outcome of these financial disclosures. It seems that people hope to find that the President has lied, and that he will be impeached and/or arrested. I'm just not seeing which lies could possibly be uncovered which would lead, realistically, to such actions being taken against him based on information contained in these bank records. The best case scenario I can think of is that they would show he has taken money from people in Russia during his time as a Presidential candidate, and even in that scenario I don't see how it would lead to the outcome people wish to see.
So in short, what I'm hoping for here is that someone could explain a scenario in which these records could possibly lead to the desired outcome.
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Thomas Bowers, a former Deutsche Bank executive and head of the American wealth-management division, killed himself in Malibu, California, on Tuesday, November 19th, according to the coronor’s initial report.
Bowers was the boss of Trump’s personal banker Rosemary Vrablic, according to a New York Times article in early 2019. Vrablic’s other clients have included Jared Kushner and Stephen M. Ross.
Vrablic reportedly attended the Trump inauguration in the VIP section, and expects to be called before Congress regarding Trump’s relationship with the bank.
Bowers was the boss of Trump’s personal banker Rosemary Vrablic, according to a New York Times article in early 2019. Vrablic’s other clients have included Jared Kushner and Stephen M. Ross.
Vrablic reportedly attended the Trump inauguration in the VIP section, and expects to be called before Congress regarding Trump’s relationship with the bank.
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Two banks must turn over President Donald Trump's financial records to the Democrat-controlled US House of Representatives, dealing another blow to the President's efforts to block Congress' move to obtain his financial records, a federal appeals court in New York ruled Tuesday.
The House Intelligence and Financial Services committees had subpoenaed the banks, Deutsche Bank and Capital One, for records including Trump's tax returns and those of his family members.
Trump's personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, suggested the next step will be an appeal to the Supreme Court.
The House Intelligence and Financial Services committees had subpoenaed the banks, Deutsche Bank and Capital One, for records including Trump's tax returns and those of his family members.
Trump's personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, suggested the next step will be an appeal to the Supreme Court.
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The private bankers responsible for lending to President Donald Trump and Jared Kushner have resigned from Deutsche Bank, the bank said.
"Rosemary Vrablic and Dominic Scalzi have tendered their resignations to Deutsche Bank effective as of year-end, which was accepted by the bank," Daniel Hunter, a spokesman for the bank said in a statement.
Vrablic and Scalzi have worked closely together for years since joining Deutsche Bank a decade ago. Vrablic was a trusted contact to the Trump Organization and Kushner and assumed the bank's lending relationship with Trump in the private side of the bank after the commercial lending division stopped doing business with Trump.
Deutsche Bank (DB) has loaned the Trump Organization more than $300 million.
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