Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

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I know, and this is all they do, is claim. That's my point, get it?
The problem is that this is not all they do. They do studies, they publish results of their experiments, these results are peer-reviewed if correct, are repeated over and over again...

Its not just some claim and we must believe. This is the difference between science and a bad, claims-based religion.
 
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Us christians are funny people. Some don't believe Genesis, you know science has proven it to be wrong. BUT, they also believe a dead Jesus came back to life on day 3 which is also something science has proven to be impossible.

I 'believe' Genesis, as I 'believe' the parable of the Prodigal Son, or the parable of The Good Samaritan. Neither have to have actually 'happened' exactly the way the stories are told, for the story to have profound meaning relevant to human nature, sin, forgivness of God and the nature of salvation. They don't have to be 'history' in order to be 'the truth'. Likewise chapters 1 to 5 of Genesis do not have to be history in order to be 'the truth'.

he taught me, and said to me,
"Let your heart hold fast my words;
keep my commandments, and live;
do not forget, and do not turn away from the words of my mouth.
Get wisdom; get insight.
Do not forsake her, and she will keep you;
love her, and she will guard you.
The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom,
and whatever you get, get insight. Prov.4:4-7.

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No need to be a bully.This is my personal take on the creation of man and woman. No harm in it at all.
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You are welcome to opinions about possibly deeper nuances of certain scripture, my point was that no extra added possible meaning in any way takes away from the truth and reality of what happened.
 
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What are you supposed to test in your home test to claim that you got a result that Earth is 7000 years old.

There is nothing you can test, this is why its a lie. By what measure would you test it and by what device?

A pre-programmed computer you wrote the code for?
 
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The problem is that this is not all they do. They do studies, they publish results of their experiments, these results are peer-reviewed if correct, are repeated over and over again...

Its not just some claim and we must believe. This is the difference between science and a bad, claims-based religion.

And what proof can you show that they did the tests? there own words? nothing else.
 
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Ok, Here's the problem, evolving from what?

Each other?

into what?

If the bible is correct, and I believe every word, then this earth is no more then 7 to 8 thousand years old. Why cant others just believe Gods power to create us like he wanted.

The only change was sin according to the bible.
I agree, the earth is young. I understand why lovers of darkness rather than light would insist on grabbing/grasping at any straw/explanation that leaves God out. It is less clear why christians would do so.
 
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And what proof can you show that they did the tests? there own words? nothing else.
Peer-reviewed studies mean that when one team do the test, another one checks it.

Also, when published, other teams around the world will repeat the test and expect to get the same results, in their daily work.
 
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Clear to those who don't read it properly, sure. There are many who think they understand 'clearly' who clearly do not understand.



And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Gen.1:25-26.

The hebrew word used for 'make' which is used of 'mankind', (not a person with the Hebrew name of Adam), is very broad in meaning. It does not specifically state that God made Adam at the end of the sixth day of the creation. The era, (or timespan of creation), referred to in the text as the sixth and final day, culminating in the completion of all that was created, saw the creation first of 'beasts of the earth', 'livestock', 'creeping things', etc.

Since Adam was made of already created dust, the word is great...so?
Mankind's ancester could have been among them.
Ah, the leap of faith. Problem is man HAD no ancestor nor did woman according to the creator! All and any 'ancestors' are fabrics of imagination.

Evolution theorises that mankind is descended from an extinct common ancestor, shared by us and the other primates, which have many of our distinctive features, but not anything comparable to our advanced ability to understand our own and others existence, make predictions and to manage our environment.
Great, since we are talking fables, maybe we could include Greek and roman and other myths of creation.
That intelligence, plus advanced reasoning and emotional abilities set us apart from all other creatures 'created on the sixth day'.
You made that up. God separated us by creating us separate.
It is quite possible that God took 'mankind's primal ancestors' and endowed upon them the attributes of God's own character. (Made man in God's own image), and the method God has used may be what we and nonbelievers call evolution.
No. It is impossible if one believes the bible.
Just as it is not possible to believe that earth is a result of the big bang.
'Made' does not therefore mean that God physically and literally created from dirt a creature called 'Man', i.e. the person Adam,
Thankfully we have the rest of the bible for those easily confused/led astray.
but that God took the creature God had already named 'man' and advanced us by bestowing upon us and offering and granting us the privellidge of becoming God's, bearing God's immage, after God's likeness.

No. His plan for man pre dated the world! Ha.
Jesus hinted at such himself.

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10:34-36.
Nothing in here is remotely connected to demonic evolution actually.


Jesus was the Son of God, but God did not 'create' him or make him. We are likewise going to be conformed and transformed into the image of Christ. Rom.8:29, Rom.12:2, 1 Cor.15:52. Being made like Christ is not a matter of coming into physical exisence, it is a matter of being 'changed' from what we used to be, into what God has decided we should be like. THAT is what it means when Genesis says we are 'made' in the image and likeness of God.
It also involves first being created. Then fallen man has a way to be saved. Contorting the word made does not help you.

Some denominations overrule Scripture and reinvent it and bend it beyond recognition, such as those who condone Sodom like lifestyles. No wonder they have no clue we were actually created, they have rejected Scripture and are in darkness.
 
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Peer-reviewed studies mean that when one team do the test, another one checks it.

Also, when published, other teams around the world will repeat the test and expect to get the same results, in their daily work.

And i am here to report, there all lies, there are no real teams, just team members who are in this lie together.

Unless you do the test your self, and see the results your self, I would not follow these liars.

They do not believe in God, but you believe them????
 
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You mean the man made fake testing they do?
You mean people who do not believe in God doing tests?
And the earth does not look millions of years old.

People who don't believe the universe and earth was made in just 6, 24 hour days are still fully capable of discerning truth from error, and getting and recording valid and accurate results of 'tests'.

And you do not look stupid.
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People who don't believe the universe and earth was made in just 6, 24 hour days are still fully capable of discerning truth from error, and getting and recording valid and accurate results of 'tests'.

Any you do not look stupid.
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There man made tests full of lies and errors, yes, you are correct. Men who do not believe in god also. Men who lie because they can lie.
 
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"According to new research, iron in the dinosaur's body preserved the tissue before it could decay...
The tissue was collagen, and it shared similarities with bird collagen — which makes sense, as modern birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs such as T. rex."

Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained

This is 6 years old article. YEC should stop using this argument.
The T-rex soft tissue hasn't been explained. The "Iron" has been refuted. If you're interested I'll find the video that showed the process they went through to use the iron as a process.
 
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What are you supposed to test in your home test to claim that you got a result that Earth is 7000 years old.

Examples of the answer: tree rings, ice layers, cosmic background radiation...
What do they do with the c14 found in coal and diamonds that shouldn't be there?
 
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I 'believe' Genesis, as I 'believe' the parable of the Prodigal Son, or the parable of The Good Samaritan. Neither have to have actually 'happened' exactly the way the stories are told, for the story to have profound meaning relevant to human nature, sin, forgivness of God and the nature of salvation. They don't have to be 'history' in order to be 'the truth'. Likewise chapters 1 to 5 of Genesis do not have to be history in order to be 'the truth'.

he taught me, and said to me,
"Let your heart hold fast my words;
keep my commandments, and live;
do not forget, and do not turn away from the words of my mouth.
Get wisdom; get insight.
Do not forsake her, and she will keep you;
love her, and she will guard you.
The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom,
and whatever you get, get insight. Prov.4:4-7.

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What do you do with Genesis 3? The fall?

Why does mankind sin and need Jesus? How do the Theo-Evos explain mankinds sin nature?

Did we evolve a sin gene?
 
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There man made tests full of lies and errors, yes, you are correct. Men who do not believe in god also. Men who lie because they can lie.

You mean: "They're man made tests", not there man made tests. (You might possibly have meant their man made tests though). And all tests made by man are 'man made', but not all are made by men. Some are made by women.

Tests and evidence cannot lie. Only human beings can lie. The truth is there to be found and there are equally as many 'Creationist' liars as there are 'atheist' liars. ALL have sinned and fallen short of God's pattern for our lives. We can all 'lie' because we have been given the freedom to do so. We should chose not to lie, both to others and more importantly to OURSELVES, but we frequently choose to deny irrefutable evidence whenever it challenges our habitual concepts of reality, our 'mindset'.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. In other words, we choose to believe what is true on the basis of how it might affect us if we were to believe it, rather than whether the data and evidence under consideration is actually 'true'. We naturally prefer falsehood, if it does not challenge our pre-conceived world view or pose a threat to our natural way of seeing things. Especially if the TRUTH is more uncomfortable to us.

This is in fact the 'fallen' condition of mankind in operation. The irony is that this tendency is very effectively brought out in the Adam and Eve story. It comes naturally to us 'fallen' human beings, to deny responsibility, blame others for our disobedience and hide from the TRUTH as He walks in the garden of our lives.
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