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Yet you can still cook on that day but you can do no servile work on Shabbat. What you bolded is the 7th day of the festival. The first day of unleavened is the 15th.

I should have bolded the first day also.

5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’

When it says the "first day" after mentioning the Passover on the 14, are they including the 14th as the "first day" of the Feast of Unleavened bread? Which day is the "preparation day"? I didn't think they could cook on a day of holy convocation but eat things cold and pre-prepared.
 
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What he is saying is that it was not a Sabbath because it was the 15th, but because it was the WEEKLY Sabbath AND ALSO the 15th.

Don't you "prepare" for holy convocations (feasts) too? They don't all fall on Saturday. I thought all days when no work was done - a day of rest - were called sabbaths. Even the land every seven years, so the first day of feasts have no work and are sabbaths.
 
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Don't you "prepare" for holy convocations (feasts) too? They don't all fall on Saturday.
From memory, only on the Day of Atonement is all work forbidden like on the weekly Sabbath.
 
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From memory, only on the Day of Atonement is all work forbidden like on the weekly Sabbath.

5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’
 
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I should have bolded the first day also.

5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’

When it says the "first day" after mentioning the Passover on the 14, are they including the 14th as the "first day" of the Feast of Unleavened bread? Which day is the "preparation day"? I didn't think they could cook on a day of holy convocation but eat things cold and pre-prepared.

The first day of unleavened is the 15th. Friday is the preparation day for Shabbat. As for Pesakh, the lambs were killed on the 14th. that year, Friday was the 14th and the 15th was on Shabbat.
 
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5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’
I suggest you look the verse up in a few different translations to get a better understanding. Compare it to verse 3 regarding the weekly Sabbath

the seventh day is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation; you shall do no work

There is no qualification of the kind of work that can't be done which there is for most of the High Days. On the weekly Sabbaths, no work can be done.
 
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The first day of unleavened is the 15th. Friday is the preparation day for Shabbat. As for Pesakh, the lambs were killed on the 14th. that year, Friday was the 14th and the 15th was on Shabbat.

Wasn't the Lord's Last Supper on the beginning of the 14th, on the evening of our 13th? If so, then the 14th would be when Christ died, and was the "preparation day" for the 15th. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was Friday, the normal preparation day, with it being a feast week. I believe it was earlier in the week and a full 3 nights and 3 days past and then Christ rose some time after the end of the Sabbath, on the feast of first fruits (Sunday.)
 
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I suggest you look the verse up in a few different translations to get a better understanding. Compare it to verse 3 regarding the weekly Sabbath

the seventh day is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation; you shall do no work

There is no qualification of the kind of work that can't be done which there is for most of the High Days. On the weekly Sabbaths, no work can be done.

Don't you know that all the feasts in Leviticus 23 are "holy convocations"? Leviticus 23:2. When it says no work, it is the same as the weekly Sabbath. That would mean no cooking either, or is the Sabbath just for men?
 
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Don't you know that all the feasts in Leviticus 23 are "holy convocations"? Leviticus 23:2. When it says no work, it is the same as the weekly Sabbath. That would mean no cooking either, or is the Sabbath just for men?
Exodus 12:16-17
(16) On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat; that is all you may do.
(17) "Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.
The 1st and 7th days of the festival of Unleavened Bread [ULB] are called a sacred assembly/holy convocation but in the OT they are never called a Sabbath. ULB differs from a Sabbath in that preparation and cooking of food is specifically permitted.
Thus there was, and could only be, one Sabbath in Passion week. What made that Sabbath a high day was when 1st ULB fell on the weekly Sabbath.
 
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Don't you know that all the feasts in Leviticus 23 are "holy convocations"? Leviticus 23:2. When it says no work, it is the same as the weekly Sabbath.
No, for most of the other "Holy Convocations" it qualifies what work can't be done. Did you look up other bible versions to gain a better understanding of the qualification? Other versions read no servile or laborious work.
That would mean no cooking either, or is the Sabbath just for men?
Don't Jewish men cook?
 
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Wasn't the Lord's Last Supper on the beginning of the 14th, on the evening of our 13th? If so, then the 14th would be when Christ died, and was the "preparation day" for the 15th. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was Friday, the normal preparation day, with it being a feast week. I believe it was earlier in the week and a full 3 nights and 3 days past and then Christ rose some time after the end of the Sabbath, on the feast of first fruits (Sunday.)

The problem with that is we have 2 witnesses on the road to Emmaus that prove your scenario wrong. The Seudah was held Thursday evening, He died Friday and was put into the tomb before sunset, rested in the tomb on Shabbat and rose after sunset on Yom haBikkurim. On 3rd day...
 
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Exodus 12:16-17
(16) On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat; that is all you may do.
(17) "Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.
The 1st and 7th days of the festival of Unleavened Bread [ULB] are called a sacred assembly/holy convocation but in the OT they are never called a Sabbath. ULB differs from a Sabbath in that preparation and cooking of food is specifically permitted.
Thus there was, and could only be, one Sabbath in Passion week. What made that Sabbath a high day was when 1st ULB fell on the weekly Sabbath.


Thank you very much.

So I see everyone gets the day off except the women.
 
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Thank you very much.

So I see everyone gets the day off except the women.
Au contraire!
The women probably have to fight to keep their husbands out of the kitchen on those days!
 
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If your thinking and reasoning was based on the Word, you would not be having Jesus rise on the 4th day instead of the 3rd day as Scripture states multiple times.

The Rabbi quoted is not a Christian, doesn't concern himself with the New Testament, so doesn't have a dog in this fight. His quote is to demonstrate how the Jews would have understood the expression "3 days and 3 nights" and why they would have found it completely congruent with the expressions "in 3 days" and "on the 3rd day".

Friday evening is a part of an onah which is as the whole, so one day and one night.
Saturday morning and evening is the whole, so two days and two nights.
Sunday morning is a part of an onah which is as the whole, so three days and three nights.
If your thinking and reasoning was based on the Word, you would not be having Jesus rise on the 4th day instead of the 3rd day as Scripture states multiple times.

The Rabbi quoted is not a Christian, doesn't concern himself with the New Testament, so doesn't have a dog in this fight. His quote is to demonstrate how the Jews would have understood the expression "3 days and 3 nights" and why they would have found it completely congruent with the expressions "in 3 days" and "on the 3rd day".

Friday evening is a part of an onah which is as the whole, so one day and one night.
Saturday morning and evening is the whole, so two days and two nights.
Sunday morning is a part of an onah which is as the whole, so three days and three nights.
I find it telling you are not using scripture. How do you explain Jesus saying that like Jonah, he would be three days and three nights in the tomb? Even if he rose after sunset on Sunday, that is still not a third night in the tomb, unless he was buried on Thursday,
 
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Anytime AFTER sunset on Saturday IS Sunday
But Jesus specifically said he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb, not two nights and a few hours.
And nowhere in the Bible does it even specify specific days of the week. It says, rather, God rested on the seventh day.
 
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John 15:10
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

What commandments did Jesus describe as "My commandments"? What did He preach?
For me, it all gelled with the realization that God doesn't change, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, and that God is infinitely higher than my best wisdom attempts (in fact, Wisdom will lead me to God). That's when I realized that what God called the sabbath is the sabbath. We have a relatively strong foundation for agreeing with the Jewish sabbath since they appear to have learned the lesson of the importance of sabbath observation on the right day. Gentiles for some reason were easily deferred from sabbath keeping, and I can't understand why someone would give up a day of rest. Man can easily be fickle, but God is steadfast and God doesn't leave us floundering but provides for us to also be steadfast, not aimed at a moving target. He gave us guidelines and we get to apply His principles (precepts, laws, commandments, Word/word, statutes, and judgments) to how we work out our own lives. To me, Jesus lived out the laws of the OT and fleshed them out so we could see what God intended. Through the years I've found that the words God spoke and the example of Jesus are trustworthy, an accurate representation of what mankind, in the image of God, should be becoming.
 
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But Jesus specifically said he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb, not two nights and a few hours.
And nowhere in the Bible does it even specify specific days of the week. It says, rather, God rested on the seventh day.
If the weekly sabbath is always the 7th day, but the annual celebrations were based on the months which started with the new moon, we have a very different situation than Americans are used to. It's entirely possible that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, followed by Passover (14th day of the month, full moon and not associated with any certain position in the week year by year), which was also a sabbath type day for Wednesday night through Thursday night (which explains why they were in a hurry to remove the bodies from the crosses and then buried Jesus in haste in a nearby tomb), Friday would have been an acceptable day to work, the day the women found the spices and made the ointment, and then they rested Friday night to Saturday night as the weekly sabbath. If Jesus rose as the sabbath was ending, it fits that He was in the tomb just as long He said he would be. There is no witness of just when Jesus raised, but the close association with the harvesting, preparation, and then the waving of the firstfruits makes me inclined to accept this as the likely scenario. I wasn't there, but when I looked at the Passover/crucifixion/resurrection episode in the same convoluted way we look at Christmas (it moves through the week) and Easter (which is always on a Sunday but changes days and months) or birthdays (which keep the same day of the month but change days of the week each year), it became plausible and well supported.
 
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And the Word proves you wrong. Read the scripture regarding the witnesses on the road to Emmaus...
Telling me to read a scripture without quoting it and making your argument from there is a faulty form of debate.
I have read it, many times... Their hearts burned within them. But previous to that, at the tomb, the angel said, as Jesus said, he would be crucified and raised on the third day.
Jesus could not have been more clear when he said 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb, like Jonah. The tomb verse, on the other hand, could be counting crucifixion day as one day, then start counting the three days. I believe scriptures have to be looked at together, and he just could not have been more clear than when he said specifically 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb. If he was killed on Friday and rose on Sunday he did not spend 3 nights in the tomb
 
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