Abortion Pill & Morning After Pill Contraception

SPF said:

Since when does one need to be a specific gender to say that it’s wrong to kill an innocent and vulnerable human being?

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It is not necesarily need, but the reality. A lot has been made of the fact that in Alabama, only men voted for the abortio ban, making Governor Kay Ivey its only female supporter before she signed it.

ChristianForCats said:

It is not necesarily need, but the reality. A lot has been made of the fact that in Alabama, only men voted for the abortio ban, making Governor Kay Ivey its only female supporter before she signed it.

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Abortion is a moral issue, the gender of the person speaking has absolutely no bearing upon whether or not an action is moral or immoral.

One of my best friends was raped at a party by someone she didn't know and no one came to help her. She took the morning after pill the next morning just in case. I stand by her decision to take that pill. If you don't stand by her decision to take that pill to prevent a rape pregnancy then maybe you need to do a little heart searching and educate yourself on female human biology.

You don't automatically get pregnant right after you have sex. Sperm cells can last for a week before finally joining with a viable egg cell. The morning after pill prevents that from happening.

JacobKStarkey said:

Then men can stay out of it, yeah.

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It sounds like one man, yourself, is not staying out of it. How do I understand this?

SPF said:

Abortion is a moral issue, the gender of the person speaking has absolutely no bearing upon whether or not an action is moral or immoral.

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I never said morality depends on the sex of a supporter or opponent. That would be stupid.

ChristianForCats said:

It is not necesarily need, but the reality. A lot has been made of the fact that in Alabama, only men voted for the abortio ban, making Governor Kay Ivey its only female supporter before she signed it.

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Is Terri Collins, a member of the Alabama House of Representatives and sponsor of the Alabama bill, a male?

chevyontheriver said:

Is Terri Collins, a member of the Alabama House of Representatives and sponsor of the Alabama bill, a male?

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Must be. Only men voted for it.

ChristianForCats said:

Must be. Only men voted for it.

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Just going by the picture of Terri Collins, I wonder. But then since gender is anything one wants it to be these days maybe she is a he.

Terri Collins is a woman. No other women voted for the bill.

ChristianForCats said:

Terri Collins is a woman. No other women voted for the bill.

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So the House sponsor and the governor, both women, are the only ones? What about Alabama Representative Becky Nordgren? I get so confused about these things. Is Votesmart.org wrong about how she voted? Or Representative Ginny Shaver, who was another co-sponsor? I think someone is trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

OK, make that four women then. Did you see any others in the House of Representatives?

It is ironic that women would propose a bill without exception for rape and incest.

ChristianForCats said:

It is ironic that women would propose a bill without exception for rape and incest.

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Good for them, it’s the only way to be consistent. Aborting a baby that came about from a rape is just as immoral as aborting a baby because the mom simply doesn’t want the baby.

The HOW in which a new human is formed doesn’t impact the morality of killing them.

SPF said:

Good for them, it’s the only way to be consistent. Aborting a baby that came about from a rape is just as immoral as aborting a baby because the mom simply doesn’t want the baby.

The HOW in which a new human is formed doesn’t impact the morality of killing them.

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That still does not explain why few women (none in the Senate) supported a bill without a rape exception while all of the men did. Do men have different morals or was it just a coincidence in one state?

ChristianForCats said:

OK, make that four women then. Did you see any others in the House of Representatives?

It is ironic that women would propose a bill without exception for rape and incest.

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I can't go through the whole Alabama legislature for you. You first said it was only the governor, then only the governor and the sponsor, now it's up to four women. Four out of the only four I looked at. I have no idea how many women are in state government in Alabama, or how the rest voted, but I've been told by people who sounded very sure of themselves that it was only men that voted for this bill.

There is no irony. Abortion after rape or incest is just a compounding of the initial violence. Killing the baby does not undo the initial violation, but only continues it, taking it to the step of killing someone else. These women seem to get it that two wrongs do not make a right.

ChristianForCats said:

That still does not explain why few women (none in the Senate) supported a bill without a rape exception while all of the men did. Do men have different morals or was it just a coincidence in one state?

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Wait. Do you have actual voting records which show that all of the men in the Alabama Senate voted for it and none of the women in the Senate? Is this statement more reliable than what you said earlier? I think there is some mythology going on in who supported or opposed this. I would hope you are giving me the straight scoop here. This time. But I'm not quite convinced. Sorry.

It depends on if the raped girl wants a child and makes a bad decision because of her mental instability to get an aboriton. Does she feel like she needs to end her pregnancy early? Maybe, maybe not.

ChristianForCats said:

It depends on if the raped girl wants a child and makes a bad decision because of her mental instability to get an aboriton. Does she feel like she needs to end her pregnancy early? Maybe, maybe not.

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Every child a wanted child. The rest are killed.

chevyontheriver said:

Wait. Do you have actual voting records which show that all of the men in the Alabama Senate voted for it and none of the women in the Senate? Is this statement more reliable than what you said earlier? I think there is some mythology going on in who supported or opposed this. I would hope you are giving me the straight scoop here. This time. But I'm not quite convinced. Sorry.

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Here you go:

All 25 of the male senators to vote "yes" on the bill were Republicans. Of the eight Democrats in leadership, six voted "nay" on the bill – including two female senators, Linda Coleman-Madison and Vivian Davis Figures.

Alabama just criminalized abortions – and every single yes vote was cast by a white man

ChristianForCats said:

Here you go:

All 25 of the male senators to vote "yes" on the bill were Republicans. Of the eight Democrats in leadership, six voted "nay" on the bill – including two female senators, Linda Coleman-Madison and Vivian Davis Figures.

Alabama just criminalized abortions – and every single yes vote was cast by a white man

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But when it says 'and every single yes vote was cast by a white man' it's misleading, for in the Alabama House, according to the very same article, six women voted for it. So NOT every single vote for it in the Alabama legislature was by a white male. Perhaps that was the case in the Alabama Senate, but I have not truth checked that. It is certainly NOT the case in the Alabama House.

Someone is trying to promote a mythology that men are against abortion and women are for it. And you are falling for it. That women in Alabama are being oppressed by men, outvoted by men, forced to be barefoot and pregnant by men. In Alabama six women in the House voted for it. In the house only three people, whose genders I have not found, voted against it. In the Senate, two female Senators voted against it and two female Senators did not vote on it. Apparently there are only four women Senators. So of women voting on this in House and Senate there were six for it and at most five against it presuming that in the House it was all women against it. And the woman governor signed it.

The only two abortions I have any actual personal information about were where the boyfriends forced the issue against unwilling girlfriends. I'm not surprised that women in the Alabama legislature vote majority pro-life. Making this a male vs female thing is inaccurate.

JacobKStarkey said:

Why are men telling women what to do with unwanted or criminally-forced pregnancies?

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If I'm not mistaken there are both men and women in the House and Senate who are involved in making our laws - not just men.