Did that sinner's prayer save me? Poll

Was I saved by saying the sinner's prayer?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • No

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • Hard to tell exactly when I was saved?

    Votes: 2 13.3%

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Mhmm and I'm sure a poor prostitute who cries our "Jesus please save me" understands the theology of this in full does she?

This is why God is so good, he comes to the meek and lowly and typically not for the wise of this world. Humilates the proud and those wise in their own sight.

But we'll just agree to disagree.

Well if we trust the Bible

Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Everyone saved was saved because they believed Jesus died and rose for their sin! Make that good news as deep or simple as needed. But a person is required ot believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus for them in order to be saved.
 
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I like alot of what conservative Reformed preaches come up with, except when it comes down to the mental and theological ring puzzles of what their theology actually spells out.

"I trusted Christ!"

"No, you didn't, that's not possible."

"But I..."

"No, God chooses you. You don't choose God. He makes us elect, not we ourselves. Genuine conversion is a work entirely of God, not of us."

"..."

See how confused the baby Christian now is? Plenty. That's not good.
 
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Well if we trust the Bible

Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Everyone saved was saved because they believed Jesus died and rose for their sin! Make that good news as deep or simple as needed. But a person is required ot believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus for them in order to be saved.
Oh I believe that. Just not as you do. I believe God's love is not bound by theological doctrines and knowledge of the philosophical aspect of the faith. I believe a person who is unwise towards the Christian faith can simply say "Jesus save me" and they will be saved if they were right in their heart with God. Not soley by saying in their minds "ok so this means this and so if I do this and trust that I'm saved".

John 16:27
For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
I like alot of what conservative Reformed preaches come up with, except when it comes down to the mental and theological ring puzzles of what their theology actually spells out.

"I trusted Christ!"

"No, you didn't, that's not possible."

"But I..."

"No, God chooses you. You don't choose God. He makes us elect, not we ourselves. Genuine conversation is a work entirely of God, not of us."

"..."

See how confused the baby Christian now is? Plenty. That's not good.
Exactly. Christianity has way too many "experts" and way too many theologians and not enough grace and mercy. The new in Christ are caught up into all sorts of things, and those attempting to find salvation are met with all sorts of theological tangles coming their way.

Jesus wants a relationship, not a solved math equation. If someone came to Christ philosophically, great, but that does not mean everyone will come the same way and so the way that individual came should not be told to others it's the only way.

I believe it's arrogance to limit things like this within our own faith and a legalistic approach to salvation.
 
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Well if by accepting Jesus, you mean that you personally placed your trust in teh death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus for the full and only satisfactory payment for your sins, then yes accpeting Jesus is just fine!

Yes and for the ones who do the sinners prayer -- best look back in a year or two and see
the Holy Spirit working in ones life -- if not -- nothing probable really happened on that date.

So there was this older man on his death bed. A local pastor came to see him and asked of him if
he was saved? The man said that he wasn't sure but, he had done the sinners prayer back
in his early days. The pastor said great -- you are good to go.

Could that be true -- think not.

You will know them by their fruits.

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Yes and for the ones who do the sinners prayer -- best look back in a year or two and see
the Holy Spirit working in ones life -- if not -- nothing probable really happened on that date.

So there was this older man on his death bed. A local pastor came to see him and asked of him if
he was saved? The man said that he wasn't sure but, he had done the sinners prayer back
in his early days. The pastor said great -- you are good to go.

Could that be true -- think not.

You will know them by their fruits.

MB

Well I am not saying just mouthing a prayer! The Bible says it is full confidence which brings a new life which changes a persons direction! People won't be perfect- but they will be growing in the image of Jesus.

So no just saying a prayer- but saying it with faith will save the soul. And god is the fruit inspector not us.
 
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Oh I believe that. Just not as you do. I believe God's love is not bound by theological doctrines and knowledge of the philosophical aspect of the faith. I believe a person who is unwise towards the Christian faith can simply say "Jesus save me" and they will be saved if they were right in their heart with God. Not soley by saying in their minds "ok so this means this and so if I do this and trust that I'm saved".

John 16:27
For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Exactly. Christianity has way too many "experts" and way too many theologians and not enough grace and mercy. The new in Christ are caught up into all sorts of things, and those attempting to find salvation are met with all sorts of theological tangles coming their way.

Jesus wants a relationship, not a solved math equation. If someone came to Christ philosophically, great, but that does not mean everyone will come the same way and so the way that individual came should not be told to others it's the only way.

I believe it's arrogance to limit things like this within our own faith and a legalistic approach to salvation.


Well there are many variations of Jesus out there that will not save. There is teh JW version of Jesus, the Muslim version, even a voodoo version! But a person does not have to be a theologian to get saved. they just need to know jesus died and rose! That is the biblical formula! There has to be right content in prayer for it to have effect. It doesn't have to answer 16 theological points, that will come later. Like Paul wrote in romans
If you confess Jesus is Lord and believe god raised HIm from teh dead- you will be saved!
 
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I like alot of what conservative Reformed preaches come up with, except when it comes down to the mental and theological ring puzzles of what their theology actually spells out.

"I trusted Christ!"

"No, you didn't, that's not possible."

"But I..."

"No, God chooses you. You don't choose God. He makes us elect, not we ourselves. Genuine conversion is a work entirely of God, not of us."

"..."

See how confused the baby Christian now is? Plenty. That's not good.


Well God does choose us! But that is not a conversation one should have when evangelizing. That is meat of the faith and babes in Christ still need milk!
 
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Well there are many variations of Jesus out there that will not save. There is teh JW version of Jesus, the Muslim version, even a voodoo version! But a person does not have to be a theologian to get saved. they just need to know jesus died and rose! That is the biblical formula! There has to be right content in prayer for it to have effect. It doesn't have to answer 16 theological points, that will come later. Like Paul wrote in romans
If you confess Jesus is Lord and believe god raised HIm from teh dead- you will be saved!
Ah ok, I see where you're coming from, yes, I absolutely agree.
 
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Plenty of that around nowadays.
M-Bob

No , lots of people that should be eating the meat of teh Word still on mild, because the teaching of sound doctrine in the body of Christ is becoming extinct like the dinosaurs.

Outside of the Muslim and Chinese world- not many new babes are being added to the body.
 
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because the teaching of sound doctrine in the body of Christ is becoming extinct like the dinosaurs.

Big battle going on with
the devil, world and flesh
trying to distort the Word of God.
MB
 
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Big battle going on with
the devil, world and flesh
trying to distort the Word of God.
MB

The devil has been doing that since the garden of Eden.

As long as we saturate ourselves with His Word- we can grow from victory and voctory and know fewer defeats.
 
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Was I saved by saying the sinner's prayer?
I think most evangelicals would check NO even though most would agree that it can be a good tool to reinforce the quite correct doctrine that one is passing from death to life when they "receive" Jesus and will never again come into condemnation.

I don't particularly like the preacher in the video or some others who rail against the sinner's prayer in general.

Having said that - I do remember serving with a team of evangelists who had booth at the state fair. They called it the "God Mobile" and the technique used was to ask the public the question, "Are you going to Heaven?" Then when they answered the follow up question was, "Why do you think you are going to Heaven?"

Many would say things like, "Because I'm a pretty good person." Or, if they were religious, they might talk about their various religious practices and such.

In cases like that, we were then able to correct them and tell them the simple gospel and how the scriptures tell us that a personal faith in Jesus' work on our behalf was the only means to salvation and that works didn't count etc. etc.

Then - the people were asked if they would like to say the sinner's prayer. Many said the prayer - repeating the words after the evangelist. If they did so - they were pronounced "saved" by the evangelist.

I disagreed that they were necessarily saved. But I didn't particularly object to the evangelist trusting that their "decision" was real.

But when I tried to follow up to see if they really believed or were just praying as a way of getting it done with - I was told not to do that.

"Come on. We have to save souls for the Lord and don't have time for follow up discussions."

Now, I remember praying the sinner's prayer several times in the year or so I struggled with believing the truth. Just as with those at the God Mobile - I was pronounced "saved" when I asked Jesus (if He was real) to "come into my heart and forgive my sins".

I disagreed that I was saved simply because I did not yet really "believe" the message. I.e. I was not really convinced of the truth of the gospel.

I wasn't playing games with people. I really wanted it to be true. I simply did not truly believe.

Of course in time I did believe the gospel and prayed my own versions of the sinner's prayer. But I am always a bit put off by people who quickly pronounce others "saved" simply because they prayed the sinners prayer with them.

People are saved by grace "through faith" and not through the practice of evangelistic techniques, no matter how well meaning they may be.
 
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I think most evangelicals would check NO even though most would agree that it can be a good tool to reinforce the quite correct doctrine that one is passing from death to life when they "receive" Jesus and will never again come into condemnation.

I don't particularly like the preacher in the video or some others who rail against the sinner's prayer in general.

Having said that - I do remember serving with a team of evangelists who had booth at the state fair. They called it the "God Mobile" and the technique used was to ask the public the question, "Are you going to Heaven?" Then when they answered the follow up question was, "Why do you think you are going to Heaven?"

Many would say things like, "Because I'm a pretty good person." Or, if they were religious, they might talk about their various religious practices and such.

In cases like that, we were then able to correct them and tell them the simple gospel and how the scriptures tell us that a personal faith in Jesus' work on our behalf was the only means to salvation and that works didn't count etc. etc.

Then - the people were asked if they would like to say the sinner's prayer. Many said the prayer - repeating the words after the evangelist. If they did so - they were pronounced "saved" by the evangelist.

I disagreed that they were necessarily saved. But I didn't particularly object to the evangelist trusting that their "decision" was real.

But when I tried to follow up to see if they really believed or were just praying as a way of getting it done with - I was told not to do that.

"Come on. We have to save souls for the Lord and don't have time for follow up discussions."

Now, I remember praying the sinner's prayer several times in the year or so I struggled with believing the truth. Just as with those at the God Mobile - I was pronounced "saved" when I asked Jesus (if He was real) to "come into my heart and forgive my sins".

I disagreed that I was saved simply because I did not yet really "believe" the message. I.e. I was not really convinced of the truth of the gospel.

I wasn't playing games with people. I really wanted it to be true. I simply did not truly believe.

Of course in time I did believe the gospel and prayed my own versions of the sinner's prayer. But I am always a bit put off by people who quickly pronounce others "saved" simply because they prayed the sinners prayer with them.

People are saved by grace "through faith" and not through the practice of evangelistic techniques, no matter how well meaning they may be.


Only God can know who meant it and who didn't when they say the prayer. Even if they don't show fruit for a while they can still be saved already, it just takes time with some people.

We can only love, encourage and exhort to grow- the rest is up to God and the individual. I trust God to do a better job of convicting individuals to growth than I can!
 
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Only God can know who meant it and who didn't when they say the prayer. Even if they don't show fruit for a while they can still be saved already, it just takes time with some people.

We can only love, encourage and exhort to grow- the rest is up to God and the individual. I trust God to do a better job of convicting individuals to growth than I can!

Question where can we find the sinner's prayer in the Bible?

I do think a most righteous prayer is the one that says, Lord have mercy on me a sinner.

As far as that prayer assuring salvation though, I would never say that.

Remember, Jesus could have led many in a (sinner's type prayer) but, did not.

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Question where can we find the sinner's prayer in the Bible?
While it is true that we won't find the sinner's prayer as such in the Bible - the verbalization of what is going on the heart of a sinner is definitely biblical and highly beneficial.

”But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” Romans 10:8-11

Confessing what is happening in the heart could well take the form of a prayer with the believer who "leads" them to Christ. But we have to remember that it is faith in the heart that justifies and not the confession that follows.

"With the heart a person believes, and is justified." That's the new eternal life that sprang forth as a result of the work of the Holy Spirit deep within a person.

"With the mouth one confesses unto salvation." That's the cry of a new born child of God that comes naturally in due time when that child enters the Kingdom of God through the preaching and reception of the Word of God.
 
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You are not saved by a prayer. You are saved by trusting in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Believing through Jesus Christ alone you have eternal life. You are saved by Jesus Christ, he gave you a free gift.
 
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