John 6:66 - Disciples turned away and deserted Him

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66At this point many of his disciples turned away and deserted him.
67Then Jesus turned to the Twelve and asked,
“Are you also going to leave?”
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Jesus is teaching He is the living bread come down from heaven and that the only way to eternal life is to eat His flesh and drink His blood for His flesh is "true food" (John 6:55 NLT) and his blood is "true drink" (John 6:55 NLT). After hearing this teaching, some of his disciples abandon Him because they just don't understand anything Jesus is teaching and can't take it anymore.
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This pinged me because it seems unthinkable to me for people who were there with Jesus and saw personally Jesus perform miracles could ever decide to abandon Him. I look at myself and wonder, what chance do have?
Reading this section of John is very confusion. What does it mean that Jesus' flesh is "true food" and his blood "true drink" (John 6:55 NLT) and that we have to eat and drink Him for eternal life (John 6:54 NLT). It is bizarre and hard to understand even after 2000+ years of studying Jesus' life.
The New Testament Daily Devotional commented a lot about facing unanswered questions. The disciples, even though they had seen His miracles, simply had too many unanswered questions about Jesus and couldn't follow Him anymore because they didn't have the answers.
I relate to this a lot in my life's journey. I used to be a person who required 100% understanding and no unanswered questions. I found it very difficult to make a decision if I wasn't confident that I fully understood everything and was making the best possible decision. This was a very difficult way to live.
After I gave my life to Christ and really started studying the Bible and Jesus' ministry on earth did my decision making process change. Nowadays, I can make a decision purely by saying, "because that's what I want." I don't have to give ten bullet points with Excel data and graphs to justify my decision. This may sound like it's not a big thing, but has been life changing for me.
Similarly, when it comes to Jesus, I have faith. Unlike the disciples describe in John 6, I am not looking for all the answers. I know that not only will I never get all the answers, but if I do get them I won't be able to understand all of them anyway so what's the point. I know Jesus existed, that's evident. I know Jesus rose from the dead, that is also evident. Since humans cannot rise from the dead, I know Jesus is the Son of God. And as the Son of God, I have faith in Jesus' authority and trust the things He teaches me.
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Let me always have faith in You.
 

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Upon closer inspection, we see that the majority of His disciples left Him.

It is prophesied in the last days this will happen again - the majority would reject the real Christ and instead follow a false messiah made up through false/unsound doctrines. Obviously, this false religion would also use the same Bible we use.

Note the majority of the Pharisees/Jews during the Roman occupation were also deceived and followed the false messiah through unsound doctrines, misinterpretation of the Torah.

The cycle repeats. Just because we read Jesus in the Bible gives us any advantage to the Pharisees. The fact is we don't.

It's probably not a coincidence that the verse saying the "majority "rejected" Christ" in JOhn 6:66. It's fate. It's inevitable.
 
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Upon closer inspection, we see that the majority of His disciples left Him.

It is prophesied in the last days this will happen again - the majority would reject the real Christ and instead follow a false messiah made up through false/unsound doctrines. Obviously, this false religion would also use the same Bible we use.

Note the majority of the Pharisees/Jews during the Roman occupation were also deceived and followed the false messiah through unsound doctrines, misinterpretation of the Torah.

The cycle repeats. Just because we read Jesus in the Bible gives us any advantage to the Pharisees. The fact is we don't.

It's probably not a coincidence that the verse saying the "majority "rejected" Christ" in JOhn 6:66. It's fate. It's inevitable.
Yes, that numbering struck me too, and made me wonder on that.
 
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Do you know that the early Christians were called cannibals because pagans knew that the Christians ate and drank this body and blood of this person Jesus?

Some Protestant churches believe that communion is a commemoration of Jesus' sacrifice.

Some Protestant churches believe that Jesus is present in a real way in the bread. (the real presence).

And Catholics believe that the bread (wafer) actually becomes the body and blood of Jesus.

Let's respect the bread and wine as much as possible...and we'll find out when we get there.
 
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Well whats written is "many". The 12 never left. One talked about here.. this will happen again. True yet not. Well we cant narrow down the word.. that word used.. can also mean "departure". Some take it as "caught up" other take it as fallen away.

How many today want to "high five" or slap Peter on the back or something haha.. YES .. "Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.".

Yet.. in truth EVERYONE all left Him when they caught Him.. "All who see me make fun of me; they stick out their tongues and shake their heads saying He relies on the LORD; let him save him; let the LORD rescue him, since he takes pleasure in him." Psalm 22
 
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It's probably not a coincidence that the verse saying the "majority "rejected" Christ" in JOhn 6:66. It's fate. It's inevitable.
The original texts didn't have chapter and verse numbering, though. That came later.
 
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Hi @mikechristianforumsusr, considering 1. what the Lord said (~all~ of the hard sayings that we find in John 6), and 2. who He said it to, it seems a miracle that ~any~ of His disciples remained with Him after that, don't you think? Unlike believers today (who, like you pointed out in your OP, still struggle with some of these sayings some 2,000 years later), His disciples were hearing all of this for the very first time, and much of what He said stood in sharp contrast to what they'd all been taught to believe as Jews (after all, they lived in the theocratic nation, and their Jewish faith was far and away the very center of their lives).

--David
 
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66At this point many of his disciples turned away and deserted him.
67Then Jesus turned to the Twelve and asked,
“Are you also going to leave?”
Observation
Jesus is teaching He is the living bread come down from heaven and that the only way to eternal life is to eat His flesh and drink His blood for His flesh is "true food" (John 6:55 NLT) and his blood is "true drink" (John 6:55 NLT). After hearing this teaching, some of his disciples abandon Him because they just don't understand anything Jesus is teaching and can't take it anymore.
Application
This pinged me because it seems unthinkable to me for people who were there with Jesus and saw personally Jesus perform miracles could ever decide to abandon Him. I look at myself and wonder, what chance do have?
Reading this section of John is very confusion. What does it mean that Jesus' flesh is "true food" and his blood "true drink" (John 6:55 NLT) and that we have to eat and drink Him for eternal life (John 6:54 NLT). It is bizarre and hard to understand even after 2000+ years of studying Jesus' life.
The New Testament Daily Devotional commented a lot about facing unanswered questions. The disciples, even though they had seen His miracles, simply had too many unanswered questions about Jesus and couldn't follow Him anymore because they didn't have the answers.
I relate to this a lot in my life's journey. I used to be a person who required 100% understanding and no unanswered questions. I found it very difficult to make a decision if I wasn't confident that I fully understood everything and was making the best possible decision. This was a very difficult way to live.
After I gave my life to Christ and really started studying the Bible and Jesus' ministry on earth did my decision making process change. Nowadays, I can make a decision purely by saying, "because that's what I want." I don't have to give ten bullet points with Excel data and graphs to justify my decision. This may sound like it's not a big thing, but has been life changing for me.
Similarly, when it comes to Jesus, I have faith. Unlike the disciples describe in John 6, I am not looking for all the answers. I know that not only will I never get all the answers, but if I do get them I won't be able to understand all of them anyway so what's the point. I know Jesus existed, that's evident. I know Jesus rose from the dead, that is also evident. Since humans cannot rise from the dead, I know Jesus is the Son of God. And as the Son of God, I have faith in Jesus' authority and trust the things He teaches me.
Prayer
Let me always have faith in You.

Isaiah 66
verses 5 and 6 are also intriguing.......


Hear the word of Jehovah, ye that tremble at his word: Your brethren that hate you, that cast you out for my name's sake, have said, Let Jehovah be glorified, that we may see your joy; but it is they that shall be put to shame.

6 A voice of tumult from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of Jehovah that rendereth recompense to his enemies.


How can there be a Voice From The Temple........
before there is a Temple?????

Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?
 
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Yes, that numbering struck me too, and made me wonder on that.

What happened to the Jews / Pharisees seems mirrored in the future.

They will abandon sound doctrine and for false ones. Following a false nature of the Christ through either doctrinal errors (misinterpretations) or deliberate deception. Essentially rejecting the true nature of Christ Himself.

Thus we need to pay attention to what led to the fatal error of the Pharisees.

For one thing, the Pharisees / Jews can be fairly inflexible to interpretation of scriptures. Hostile to those who interpreted the scriptures differently. Even more striking that Jesus seemed to have apparently contradicted some of the teachings of the Torah (Jesus didn't of course but it looked so to the inflexible Pharisees).

Never wondered if their interpretation of the scriptures by their ancestors were mistaken.

Could we be making the same mistakes? Since the majority will be deceived, this scenario repeating is very likely. "Fate is not without a sense of irony" if you carefully study the Bible.
 
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