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But no man should judge (another man) by these things, or in these things either... That is between them and God, and we need to let God be the judge...

Judging the state of another's salvation in any form, or at any given time is never wise...

God Bless!
Why do you read things into what I post that I have not said?

Who judged whose salvation?
 
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I DO believe our good deeds keep us saved.
Jesus and Paul and the other writers taught this...
not me.

Works are indeed necessary as per the N.T. writers
and Jesus Himself:
Look, each one is going to be judged according to each ones unique and own individual ability(s) or inabilities, which only God knows fully...

It will seem to some like God is grading and judging on a curve, or not rightly or justly, when in fact, it will be perfectly right and justly...

But, do you know or have special insight in this kind of judging...? Or not...? Or does only God...?

God Bless!
 
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These are things you will do if you are truly saved, but they do not save you, or keep you saved or earn or secure your salvation, or whatever...

God Bless!
Who said they save you?
Ephesians 2:8 saves you.

AFTER you're saved, i would recommend doing what Jesus said to do.

Could you post some verse that says we are not required to keep God's commandments?

I don't recall seeing any such verse in the entire N.T.
 
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Look, each one is going to be judged according to each ones unique and own individual ability(s) or inabilities, which only God knows fully...

It will seem to some like God is grading and judging on a curve, or not rightly or justly, when in fact, it will be perfectly right and justly...

But, do you know or have special insight in this kind of judging...? Or not...? Or does only God...?

God Bless!
I have the insight the N.T. gives me...
which I post.

You post your beliefs with no scripture.
If you reply to me again,,,please use scripture...
I'm not really too interested in your personal beliefs.

Jesus said that who loves Him will keep His commandments.
John 14:15


Which commandments would those be?
According to you there are none.
 
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OK, then what sin or sins will keep you out of heaven or from being saved...?
I feel like you're just leading me on and you're not very sincere.

There is ONE sin that will keep you out of heaven.
There is a LIFE STYLE that will keep you out of heaven.
See Revelation 21:27
 
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AFTER you're saved, i would recommend doing what Jesus said to do.
What else is there to do or be doing...?

But none of do or will ever do it perfectly this side of life, is what I'm getting at here...

And you do those works because you are saved and to save you... Cause if you even begin to think they save you, your going down a very wrong path, and may be greatly disappointed in the judgement...

God Bless!
 
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I feel like you're just leading me on and you're not very sincere.

There is ONE sin that will keep you out of heaven.
There is a LIFE STYLE that will keep you out of heaven.
See Revelation 21:27
Your going to be sorely disappointed in the judgement...

God Bless!
 
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What else is there to do or be doing...?

But none of do or will ever do it perfectly this side of life, is what I'm getting at here...

And you do those works because you are saved and to save you... Cause if you even begin to think they save you, your going down a very wrong path, and may be greatly disappointed in the judgement...

God Bless!
I posted enough scripture that should be very clear.

As to the wrong path,,,here's my last scripture for your perusal....I usually post just a few...but I think this time I'll post all ....It's a little scary for those of us that are afraid of the word "works",,,which the N.T. writers used all the time with no fear.


vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


  1. Galatians 6:9-10
    Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.


    Matthew 5:38-48

    "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.




    Luke 6:27-36

    "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.




    1 Peter 3:8-13

    To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.


    Psalm 34:12-16

    Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.



    Hebrews 13:16

    And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.




    1 Peter 2:20

    For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.



    1 Peter 3:17

    For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong.



    John 5:28-29

    "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.



    Luke 6:35

    "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.




    Romans 2:5-11

    But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;




    1 Timothy 6:17-19

    Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.





    2 Timothy 2:20-21

    Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.



    James 2:14-21

    What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?




    James 3:13

    Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.





    2 Corinthians 9:8

    And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;



    Acts 9:36

    Now in Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which translated in Greek is called Dorcas); this woman was abounding with deeds of kindness and charity which she continually did.




    Philippians 2:12-13

    So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.





    Colossians 1:10-12

    so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.




    Ephesians 2:10

    For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.




    2 Timothy 2:21

    Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.



    2 Timothy 3:16-17

    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.




    1 Peter 2:13-15

    Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance
 
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Is this what's known as goading?
or flaming?

No need for the sarcasm.
I've posted scripture for everything I've said.

I'm posting the N.T. NOT what I believe but what the N.T. teaches.

Do you put a pill in your wife's coffee every night so she could love you?

Or do you prefer that she love you freely?

No need for a response.

If the Shepherd can’t keep us safe, is He a Good Shepherd? If Son loses any that the Father gives Him, is He a good Son?

And God takes out our heart of stone (which prevents us from freely worshipping) and gives us a heart of flesh. We can then freely love and worship Him. No pill needed.
 
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If the Shepherd can’t keep us safe, is He a Good Shepherd? If Son loses any that the Father gives Him, is He a good Son?

And God takes out our heart of stone (which prevents us from freely worshipping) and gives us a heart of flesh. We can then freely love and worship Him. No pill needed.
I don't see any scripture.
 
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I posted enough scripture that should be very clear.

As to the wrong path,,,here's my last scripture for your perusal....I usually post just a few...but I think this time I'll post all ....It's a little scary for those of us that are afraid of the word "works",,,which the N.T. writers used all the time with no fear.


vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


  1. Galatians 6:9-10
    Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.


    Matthew 5:38-48

    "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.




    Luke 6:27-36

    "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.




    1 Peter 3:8-13

    To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.


    Psalm 34:12-16

    Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.



    Hebrews 13:16

    And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.




    1 Peter 2:20

    For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.



    1 Peter 3:17

    For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong.



    John 5:28-29

    "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.



    Luke 6:35

    "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.




    Romans 2:5-11

    But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;




    1 Timothy 6:17-19

    Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.





    2 Timothy 2:20-21

    Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.



    James 2:14-21

    What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?




    James 3:13

    Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.





    2 Corinthians 9:8

    And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;



    Acts 9:36

    Now in Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which translated in Greek is called Dorcas); this woman was abounding with deeds of kindness and charity which she continually did.




    Philippians 2:12-13

    So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.





    Colossians 1:10-12

    so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.




    Ephesians 2:10

    For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.




    2 Timothy 2:21

    Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.



    2 Timothy 3:16-17

    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.




    1 Peter 2:13-15

    Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance
There’s nothing in all those verses that have to do with keeping yourself saved.
 
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I don't see any scripture.
I assumed that you’d know the references.

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. - John 6:37

““I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭10:11, 14-15, 27-28‬ ‭NASB‬‬
 
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I posted enough scripture that should be very clear.
Yes. It is. Thanks be to Yahuweh for His Salvation and His Word reveal through Yahushua Messiah Savior !

Remember not only are "few" saved, but the natural mind CANNOT comprehend anything spiritually true. (no matter how many verses are read, heard, posted, referenced.........
 
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@LoveGodsWord , if "known unrepentant sin" can keep you out, is it just the known part, or the unrepentant part...? And/or/because, when we finally do come to the full realization of "all sin" and "all that is sin", we also realize how impossible it is to not, "not ever sin at all" from that point onward... And if our salvation is dependent on that, then who can be saved...?

I am "repentant" over and about my sins, and I agree with God about my sins, and do my best not to make any excuses for those sins, but have I been able to fully turn my back and never do ever again all I know to be sin now, no I have not, and I don't think anyone can...

Or are you responsible for your ignorance concerning all that is sin....? And if so, is that a sin...?

I don't think very many of you have a full knowledge of sin, or all that is sin... You try to dumb it down so it's achievable for you, or so you think, but that is lying and not being honest, being deceptive, even toward your own self, and is "sin"...

None of you are sinless, and you can see it on here most of all... The ones that claim it are it, (or more appropriately are not it) (sinless), the most, or more so than anybody else on here... But, of course those of you think they have achieved or attained, don't see that of course, and much of that voluntarily, which is a sin...

God Bless!

I think you nailed it. Some of these folks are beyond confused about the dispensation of the grace of God. They seem determined to frustrate it. A works mentality wants company in its misery. I refuse to join. These people should be mending the broken hearted and doing works of mercy, instead they fancy themselves God's hatchet-men.

Scary.

Scripture, not confused chit chat about it, is what we all need. Only the Lord can get to us with either a warning or an exhortation or a gentle word by His Spirit.
 
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That is not what Jesus said. What He did mean was that God's plan of salvation for mankind was finished and complete.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
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