Do Christians need to belong to a church?

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Yes, I did using obfuscating / stealthing apps. I was working in a Muslim country who also monitors internet for "heretical" use.

This is why I couldn't physically go to a church but I still watched sermons on youtube and remained active in CF! ;)

Well, barring being in a country that forbids such things, there's Christians in the US that watch it live online.
 
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'Do Christians need to belong to a church?'
'I got a couple text messages from the Pastor when I skipped sessions (for mostly legitimate reasons), but I don't really want that kind of pressure.'



Attending a church and 'belonging' to a church are two different states of being, at least in the various churches I've attended in the past 10 years. Mere attendance never seems to be sufficient. They tend to push and pressure for official membership over attendance, even during service, which usually requires classes and some public welcoming ceremony. I'm sure this is structured this way to make sure all the congregation is on the same page, but can also seem sectarian. I"m wondering if this is an issue the op is having with his specific church.

I have been a member of a couple of congregations in which the pastor took the well-being--physical, mental, and spiritual--as a personal and solemn obligation as pastor.

Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. -- Hebrews 13.

They took that seriously: That Jesus will hold them accountable for every person He sat upon their pews.

So they were careful to set in place mechanisms and ministries for the sake of the members. As one pastor said, "No member of this congregation need ever worry about having a place to sleep or food to eat or clothes to wear." They took meeting Mark 10 as the responsibility of the Body of Christ, not woo-woo from on high. Manna may come from heaven, but believers have to gather it and distribute it and make sure nobody has too much and nobody has too little.

But in doing that, they needed to know exactly who their members were, what resources the members brought to the table and what their needs were. It's a two-way street.

Of course, in most churches it's a one-way street: Pastors take and take and take but provide very little and actually hope not to hear about too many of their members' needs.
 
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Which church in the entire city of Galatia did Paul point the city to as a "model church". Right, not one. I highly doubt that Paul would recommend ANYONE to attend any "Christian" church in the entire city of Galatia.

And would Paul tell someone that if they didn't attend the "church" in Corinth that they'd be in trouble? I doubt it, for he'd probably tell EVERYONE to run from that church, for they were proud of the man that was having intercourse with his own step-mother, and by this, Paul questioned whether or not anyone in the church even had the indwelling Spirit to judge and handle the problem.

Paul would tell EVERYONE that they're better off staying away from Corinth and the entire city of Galatia.

Each city had only one congregation. Every Christian in Galatia belonged to that one congregation. Every Christian in Philippi belonged to that one congregation. Every Christian in Corinth (and apparently those in Cenchrea as well) belonged to one congregation.

Where do you get the idea that Paul warned people away from any of them? Certainly not from any of the letters he wrote to those churches, which contained both encouragement and admonishment.

The Christians in those cities depended on each other for their very lives and livelihoods. In those days--as in many areas of the world today for Christians--a person's entire life was bound in his connections with family and community. Without family, a person would fall into destitution and likely servitude, like the Prodigal Son. But family was also bound into spirituality. Family life, social life, business life all revolved around the local spirituality. Feast days, temple days, holy days--those marked time, marked relationships. Without them, there was no life.

But Christ demanded Christians to walk away from all that. To us it's just a theoretical kind of thing, but to those 1st century Christians, it was as real as rain. If they had to stop pagan temple worship and pagan holy days, that meant rejecting family and friends. It meant rejecting business and social relationships:

Because of this, they consider it strange of you not to plunge with them into the same flood of reckless indiscretion as you once did, and they heap abuse on you.

The Body of Christ is intended to replace those worldly relationships.

"Truly I tell you," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields...."

I have a friend who became a Christian at the age of 14 in his native country of Mali. But his family was Muslim. His father chained him to a tree in their back yard and his mother tried to poison him. Fortunately for him, she had sent the poisoned food out with his brother. His brother--not knowing it was poisoned--tried to join into the abuse by eating the food himself.

But that's what happened to those Galatians, Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians, et al, when they became Christians. They were cast out of their old relationships and had to depend on each other.
 
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There are no Christians outside the church. Whether you are formally enrolled as a member of a parish or go to services is another question.

If you mean this literally, that is a lie. If you don't mean it literally, please explain. Many Christians either cannot go to church regularly for goegraphical and medical reasons or just do not fit in with any churches they can get to. (I personally have both problems.) A church is not praying and reading the Bible at home alone. If it is about fellowship, Christian Forums would count as a church.
 
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If you mean this literally, that is a lie. If you don't mean it literally, please explain. Many Christians either cannot go to church regularly for goegraphical and medical reasons or just do not fit in with any churches they can get to. (I personally have both problems.) A church is not praying and reading the Bible at home alone. If it is about fellowship, Christian Forums would count as a church.
It is not a lie, and I do mean it literally. Although I assumed my sense would be clearer, so I apologize for giving scandal.

The church or Church is made up of Christians. If you are a Christian, you cannot be outside the church.
 
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Actually some non-Christians go to church too. I was saved at the end of a church service.

If people who don't belong to churches are not Christian, that would count me out and I am going to hell. See what is wrong with that statement?
 
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Actually some non-Christians go to church too. I was saved at the end of a church service.

If people who don't belong to churches are not Christian, that would count me out and I am going to hell. See what is wrong with that statement?
I didn't make that statement. I also didn't wish to argue. Please see my post that you quoted. I think it is clear that I was making a distinction between being in THE Church and belonging to a parish or congregation / going to services. So please, while I admit that I could have been clearer, don't attribute to me statements that I didn't make.

Some non-Christians do go to church services, but they are not in the Church (the body of believers) until they are Christians.
 
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If you mean this literally, that is a lie. If you don't mean it literally, please explain. Many Christians either cannot go to church regularly for goegraphical and medical reasons or just do not fit in with any churches they can get to. (I personally have both problems.) A church is not praying and reading the Bible at home alone. If it is about fellowship, Christian Forums would count as a church.

The Body of Christ, all believers, make up the Church, even if they are not part of a local congregation. The Church has never been a specific matter of attending services in a building. It is a completely true statement that "there are no Christians outside the Church."
 
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There are no Christians outside the church.
Respectfully I disagree I am not part of any church and have not been part of one for years. I am still a Christians, I am saved and was baptized, I do not go to church because of the large number of Judgmental, Self-Righteous Christians I have met over the years. I take time every evening to talk with god and read my bible and I get together regularly with a handful of Christians I know and as Jesus says were 2 or more are gathered in my name he is with us. Being part of a church, getting saved, getting baptized does not guarantee you salvation. You also have to walk with god. I could care less about what people think about me anyways. The only one who can judge me is Christ. I am comfortable with my walk with god.
 
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Respectfully I disagree I am not part of any church and have not been part of one for years. I am still a Christians, I am saved and was baptized, I do not go to church because of the large number of Judgmental, Self-Righteous Christians I have met over the years. I take time every evening to talk with god and read my bible and I get together regularly with a handful of Christians I know and as Jesus says were 2 or more are gathered in my name he is with us. Being part of a church, getting saved, getting baptized does not guarantee you salvation. You also have to walk with god. I could care less about what people think about me anyways. The only one who can judge me is Christ. I am comfortable with my walk with god.
Please see my post 147. My original post, which you quoted, was misunderstood. My fault.
 
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Respectfully I disagree I am not part of any church and have not been part of one for years. I am still a Christians, I am saved and was baptized, I do not go to church because of the large number of Judgmental, Self-Righteous Christians I have met over the years.

Let me set aside the idea of actual "church membership" and have our discussion on going to church as in a place defined as one. So you claim because of a large number of not so nice individuals that's your reasoning for not going. Have you ever considered that could be why God would want you to go? For the reason to help the dear non-mature believers to help them out of their carnality?

If you're claiming to be strong....why shouldn't you want to support the weak? Maybe by your continual example you can demonstrate to them that the fine example they should strive to be? Sorry but I've heard your type of reasoning before. A person goes to a church and the determining factor as to whether they'd stay is how much they were loved. That's why God might tell one to go to church B. Why? Because THEY NEED YOU.

I take time every evening to talk with god and read my bible and I get together regularly with a handful of Christians I know and as Jesus says were 2 or more are gathered in my name he is with us.

And here might I suggest is where you're missing it. Meeting with two or more is fine. Better than nothing. However what do we see in the Book of Acts. We see they had a consciousness that the body of Christ working together in greater numbers can have a bigger impact in the culture if they work together on shared visions. dreams and ideas of how to advance the kingdom. You not considering that God can take the weak and imperfect or who you would claim they would be and still work with them at various levels.

God might even agree with you that many of them are judgmental and self-righteous. But such doesn't mean they're cast off from God with him not wanting to strengthen and develop them. If you can acknowledge that well yes it doesn't mean God isn't trying to help them to greater maturity than why aren't you working with him to bring such ones exhortation and encouragement?

If it's just a matter that you say, "Well I just don't want to!" OK....well that's another thing. But to say being spiritually mature your heart doesn't have to go out to your weaker brethren well sorry....BUT we are supposed to consider ourselves our brother's keeper. Taking on that truth we do what we have to do whether we feel like doing it or not. Why? Because it's the right thing to do.
 
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If you mean this literally, that is a lie. If you don't mean it literally, please explain. Many Christians either cannot go to church regularly for goegraphical and medical reasons or just do not fit in with any churches they can get to. (I personally have both problems.) A church is not praying and reading the Bible at home alone. If it is about fellowship, Christian Forums would count as a church.

True but it isn't the same as a local body of believers working together in their community to advance the kingdom of God. We all have our own Jerusalem's to win, get saved and make disciples and you can be more effective working as a local group.
 
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True but it isn't the same as a local body of believers working together in their community to advance the kingdom of God. We all have our own Jerusalem's to win, get saved and make disciples and you can be more effective working as a local group.

I know it is better to be in a church and belong to on e of its small groups, but if that is impossible people have to do the next-best thing. Thank God for the Internet.
 
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I know it is better to be in a church and belong to on e of its small groups, but if that is impossible people have to do the next-best thing. Thank God for the Internet.

But the Internet is not the next best thing, because for sure there is another Christian in your vicinity who could benefit by having you at his or her back in this world. For sure you have a resource to supply his lack, and he has as resource to supply your lack.
 
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But the Internet is not the next best thing, because for sure there is another Christian in your vicinity who could benefit by having you at his or her back in this world. For sure you have a resource to supply his lack, and he has as resource to supply your lack.

Another Christian is just another Christian. We are talking about church - sermons, worship, etc.
 
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Another Christian is just another Christian. We are talking about church - sermons, worship, etc.

We shouldn't be talking about "church-sermons, worship, etc."

I thought everyone knew by now that the Body of Christ was much more than "church--sermons, worship, etc."

But there is certainly a broad middle ground between "church--sermons, worship, etc" and being a hermit.

For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.

They did have letters back then, and they didn't say, "Writer letters to each other and I am with you."
 
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We shouldn't be talking about "church-sermons, worship, etc."

I thought everyone knew by now that the Body of Christ was much more than "church--sermons, worship, etc."

But there is certainly a broad middle ground between "church--sermons, worship, etc" and being a hermit.

For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.

They did have letters back then, and they didn't say, "Writer letters to each other and I am with you."

Chuich is a building where you worship, hear sermons, read the Bible, pray, and have fellowship. It is not two Christian friends meeting up.
 
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I don't know if we must attend church to remain in God's graces but we do anyway to just join with others in our community.
We had to do a lot of church shopping in Florida to find a place where we would be welcomed as a "non-traditional family of three" It took a while to find the perfect match for us but we're accepted by the congregation and the priest.
We will continue to go to that church and, while in Ohio for the summer, I'm sure we will find an open-minded fellowship here too.
 
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