Jesus came to FREE His precious BACs from sinning!

Hammster · May 21, 2019

Hammster said:
One passage. If it takes all of that, then it’s a poor argument.

still waiting.

LoveGodsWord · May 21, 2019

Hammster said:
still waiting.

Not sure why your waiting for brother? You have been provided a mountain of scripture already in post # 124 linked for your convenience.

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Ok brother I might leave this between you and God to work through now. Nice to talk to you. I have some work to do so might pop back in latter. If your not able to respond to the scriptures provided to you in the linked post above and the questions asked of you I will leave that between you and God and maybe we should agree to disagree.

I hope our discussion has in the very least given you something to think and pray about. All the scriptures provided brother are God's not mine and have only been sent in love and as a help to you.

My prayer is to see you and everyone else here in God's Kingdom.

May God bless you as you seek him prayerfully through his Word bye for now :wave:

Hammster · May 21, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not sure why your waiting for you brother. You have been provided a mountain of scripture already in post # 124 linked for your convenience.

.............

Ok brother I might leave this between you and God to work through now. Nice to talk to you. I have some work to do so might pop back in latter. If your not able to respond to the scriptures provided to you in the linked post above and the questions asked of you I will leave that between you and God and maybe we should agree to disagree.

I hope our discussion has in the very least given you something to think and pray about. All the scriptures provided brother are God's not mine and have only been sent in love and as a help to you.

My prayer is to see you and everyone else here in God's Kingdom.

May God bless you as you seek him prayerfully through his Word bye for now

Okay, I’ll pick a passage at random.

john breitels · May 22, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
How is lusting after a women in your heart less sinful then committing adultery when JESUS says those who do this have already sinned *MATTHEW 5:20-28?

Jesus came to save us from sin, not to continue in it. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone why BELIEVES. The Gospel does not save us in sin to continue in it but from sin to walk with God *JOHN 8:31-36; ROMANS 1:4-6; 1 PETER 1:5; ROMANS 1:4; 1 CORINTHIANS 1:18; 1 CORINTHIANS 1:24; 2:5; 1 CORINTHAINS 4:20.

JESUS came to MAGNIFY the LAW and make it honroable in fullfillment of the scriptures...

ISAIAH 42:21 [21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honorable.

We read of this here...

MATTHEW 5:17-28
[17], THINK NOT THAT I HAVE COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROHETS: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20], For I say to you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEEDS THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE IENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. [21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22], But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. [27], You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery: [28], But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT and this is why we need to be BORN AGAIN through faith to LOVE. This is the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who BELIEVE God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; GALATIANS 5:16; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. God's WORD is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes.

God bless.

Humbly I respond , always consider who or what group the Lord is talking to.

LoveGodsWord · May 22, 2019

john breitels said:
Humbly I respond , always consider who or what group the Lord is talking to.

2 TIMOTHY 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Alithis · May 22, 2019

Danthemailman said:
Are you saying that if anyone ever sins at all after they are saved, then they are not yet saved? 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin.. (NASB) This describes the practice as habitual, as one's lifestyle or bent of life. It does not mean that those who are saved will never again sin at all. Believers/children of God practice righteousness and not sin (1 John 3:9-10)

Im not saying anything i just repeated what John says
He did not say (nor did i) that if a person commits one sin they are not saved.
He said if they continue in the practice of sin
.. I.e. to keep doing that sinful deed and action over and over... They are not saved they are still a slave to thier sin they are not serving Christ yet they are serving thier flesh and sin .
So yes..it speaks of practice. but using the word " habitual" is a misdirection because it denies free will .if they do it habitualky then they are not yet free.
Saved and freed are the same thing.

Many people say they are saved..but if they Are , then sin actually has no power over them to MAKE them do evil works.
But yes, that means they are CHOOSING to keep doing that action they know is sin .and that is a frightening state to be in .
They MUST repent from doing so.

They must meet Gods require ments and when they do he meets them with full mercy. But if they refise to turn away from doing sin .only the wrath of Gods awaits them .because tgey have refused the good news of JESUS.

Danthemailman · May 22, 2019

Alithis said:
Im not saying anything i just repeated what John says. He did not say (nor did i) that if a person commits one sin they are not saved.

Amen!

He said if they continue in the practice of sin
.. I.e. to keep doing that sinful deed and action over and over... They are not saved they are still a slave to thier sin they are not serving Christ yet they are serving thier flesh and sin .
So yes..it speaks of practice. but using the word " habitual" is a misdirection because it denies free will .if they do it habitualky then they are not yet free.
Saved and freed are the same thing.

How does "habitual" deny free will? The one who practices sin (continues in sin as a willful, habitual lifestyle) has exercised their free will to do so.

Many people say they are saved..but if they Are, then sin actually has no power over them to MAKE them do evil works. But yes, that means they are CHOOSING to keep doing that action they know is sin and that is a frightening state to be in. They MUST repent from doing so.

The unrighteous who practice sin are certainly in a frightening state! (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21)

They must meet Gods requirements and when they do he meets them with full mercy. But if they refise to turn away from doing sin only the wrath of Gods awaits them because they have refused the good news of JESUS.

We must repent and believe the gospel in order to be saved (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; Romans 1:16) and those who have done so, no longer practice sin, but practice righteousness. (1 John 3:9,10)

Hammster · May 22, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
MATTHEW 7:21-23 [21], NOT EVERYONE THAT SAYS TO ME LORD. LORD SHALL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BUT HE THAT DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN. [22],Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And THEN I WILL PROFESS TO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (sin).

The scriptures here are the words of JESUS that say those who work sin will not enter into God's Kingdom and the reason they did not enter into God's KINGDOM was because they made an occupation (practice) of working sin. These are the words of JESUS brother they are not mine.

We can link also link v23 on NOT KNOWING God to 1 JOHN 2:3-4. How do we know if we KNOW God

You’ve tried to link the Matthew passage with 1 John. Let’s look at that.

First, you say that “The scriptures here are the words of JESUS that say those who work sin will not enter into God's Kingdom and the reason they did not enter into God's KINGDOM was because they made an occupation (practice) of working sin.“. Except Jesus didn’t say that. He never said those things were sin. Jesus cast out demons. Jesus prophesied. Jesus did many wonderful works. How can those things be sin? So two problems with your understanding. One, He did not say in that passage that those who work will not enter the kingdom. And two, He did not call what they did sinful.

Next is your connection to 1 John. You say “We can link also link v23 on NOT KNOWING God to 1 JOHN 2:3-4. How do we know if we KNOW God”. Here’s the problem. Jesus didn’t send them away for NOT knowing Him. He sent them away because He did not know them. You even made it all caps and red letters. So to say that it’s because they didn’t know Him, and then link it to 1 John, is a misdirection.

So what is happening here? Just like now, there were false teachers. There were those who prophesied falsely. There were those did fake miracles. But there were (and are now) people who think that it’s because of what they did that will get them in. Anything not done in faith is sin. So if they did these things, and Christ called them sinful, then they were not done in faith. Which means they had no faith in Christ. So they were unbelievers.

So we have to ask, how could an omniscient God not know them? Obviously, He knows who they are. But there’s no affectionate, loving knowledge. There’s no Father/child knowledge. There’s no husband/wife knowledge. There’s no Shepherd/sheep knowledge. Jesus loves those the Father gives Him, and so there is an intimate knowledge. If we are to link a verse here, I think Romans 8:29 is a better connection. “Those He foreknew”. He foreknew those whom He would conform to the image of His Son. That’s a loving phrase right there.

But anyway, I have shown how you’ve mishandled this passage, and given a much more reasonable explanation of the intent. I don’t expect you to interact with this, but hopefully it will give others pause before they buy what you are selling.

Hammster · May 22, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Yep seems like those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are God's Adversaries who will receive the judgments of God. Do you think these people will enter into God's Kingdom

Here’s the problem with your understanding. It doesn’t say what you want it to say. It does NOT say that if we are unrepentant of our sins, we become God’s adversaries. It says that there’s no more sacrifice for those who sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth. Nothing about known sins, or repenting from known sins. So this, like the previous passage I addressed, is even a misunderstanding as much as it’s a misdirection.

This was written to Jews. One theory is that this was the sermon Paul would preach in the synagogues when he came to a new city, and that it was transcribed by Luke. Obviously, we cannot know for sure, but we do know it was written for Jews to hear.

What he’s saying to those steeped in the sacrificial system is that they have now heard the truth. They heard “11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. - Hebrews 10:11-14”.

So he’s saying that now that they know the truth, if they continue sinning, there’s no more sacrifice that they can offer for their sins.

Context really does matter.

Hammster · May 22, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10 [9], KNOW YOU NOT THAT THE UNRIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10], Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Yep once again seem like those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not inherit the KINGDOM of HEAVEN

This one’s easy.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
— 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

He’s obviously making the distinction between the unsaved (unrighteousness) and those who are justified (those made righteous).

I think with these three examples, I’ve demonstrated how you cherrypick your verses and force a meaning onto them that is not sustainable by actually examine the text. I write this not for you, for I doubt that this will change your mind, and I doubt that you will engage in the actual argument (though my hope is to be proven wrong). No, I write this with the hope that some who might be convinced by your arguments will see that they are nothing but a house of cards.

Hammster · May 22, 2019

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?
— Galatians 4:4-9

We are heirs. We are sons. We are known by God. This here is the gospel. Do not be taken in by those who want to put a burdensome yoke on you. Do not desire to be enslaved again.

GodsGrace101 · May 22, 2019

Hammster said:
Jesus came to FREE His precious BACs from sinning!

I did.

What did you did?

No you did not !

I wrote to you re Colossians 1:21-23
and this is what you answered on post no. 97, which you've highlighted above:

Hammster said:
"He’s talking about true believers. True believers will continue in the faith. When they wander, the Father disciplines. When they wander, the Shepherd retrieved them. The Good Shepherd would lose none that the Father gives Him."

Paul is talking about true believers...OK.
BUT, he says that they will be presented holy and blameless and beyong reproach (to God Father) IF indeed they CONTINUE in the faith.

Clearly this means that we can fall away from the faith...Paul and Jesus both say this. I would tend to agree with them....

Colossians 1:21-23 says that it IS possible to wander away from the faith and that the believer will thus NOT be presented to God Father as holy and blameless because they did not remain IN CHRIST.

Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Responding to different verses does not represent an exegesis of the above 3 verse in Colossians.

Hammster · May 22, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
What did you did?

No you did not !

I wrote to you re Colossians 1:21-23
and this is what you answered on post no. 97, which you've highlighted above:

Hammster said:
"He’s talking about true believers. True believers will continue in the faith. When they wander, the Father disciplines. When they wander, the Shepherd retrieved them. The Good Shepherd would lose none that the Father gives Him."

Paul is talking about true believers...OK.
BUT, he says that they will be presented holy and blameless and beyong reproach (to God Father) IF indeed they CONTINUE in the faith.

Clearly this means that we can fall away from the faith...Paul and Jesus both say this. I would tend to agree with them....

Colossians 1:21-23 says that it IS possible to wander away from the faith and that the believer will thus NOT be presented to God Father as holy and blameless because they did not remain IN CHRIST.

Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Responding to different verses does not represent an exegesis of the above 3 verse in Colossians.

Okay. I mean, there’s nothing in there about falling away. But, I can’t convince you otherwise.

GodsGrace101 · May 22, 2019

Hammster said:
Okay. I mean, there’s nothing in there about falling away. But, I can’t convince you otherwise.

IF one continues in the faith...

means that it's possible to NOT continue in the faith.

IF makes the statement conditional on an action.
In this case, we must continue in our faith in order to be presented holy and blameless to God the Father.

It's fine if you don't care to continue.
But some verses are so clear I'm always amazed at how they are not clear to everyone.

Neogaia777 · May 22, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
IF one continues in the faith...

means that it's possible to NOT continue in the faith.

IF makes the statement conditional on an action.
In this case, we must continue in our faith in order to be presented holy and blameless to God the Father.

It's fine if you don't care to continue.
But some verses are so clear I'm always amazed at how they are not clear to everyone.

If one is predestined by God to continue in the faith, otherwise did he ever have the faith, that was a gift from God by predestining them for it in the first place...

Which would mean it's not really conditional for us or based on us kind of thing, but God... Which is why it's a gift, and cannot be earned or attained to... Either you are one of His, and have always been one of His, by "His choosing" or His predestining, or your not, and if your not, you never really were...

God Bless!

Alithis · May 22, 2019

Danthemailman said:
How does "habitual" deny free will? The one who practices sin (continues in sin as a willful, habitual lifestyle) has exercised their free will to do so.

Oh..what i meant is that Before they are saved scripture says we were "prisoners" to sin .a prisoner cant just walk away ...
Thus, habitual, prisoner, slave etc. Not Free.

But Jesus came to set us free and once he has done so then it is returned to us that the decision and power is ours again .

And this is where it all gets real. Becsuse many continue to sin by thier own choice.
Like israel they are free over the read sea..but in thier own hearts ( thier own free will( they turn back desiring the sins and comforts of Egypt.) And like that generation they will perish is they continue to do so.

Hammster · May 22, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
IF one continues in the faith...

means that it's possible to NOT continue in the faith.

IF makes the statement conditional on an action.
In this case, we must continue in our faith in order to be presented holy and blameless to God the Father.

It's fine if you don't care to continue.
But some verses are so clear I'm always amazed at how they are not clear to everyone.

The problem is that you assume that a true believer (and scripture talks about true and false believers) will ever stop believing. That same Paul who wrote Colossians also wrote this:

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?
36 As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered."
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:31-39

Why would we ever think that Christ would stop interceding for us? Why would we think He’s ever lose even one person given to Him by His Father? Why would we think the Great Shepherd would lose even one sheep? It’s just not possible. I wish I could make you see that so that you could rest in the gospel and just enjoy being His child instead of trying to do enough to stay in His good graces.

GodsGrace101 · May 22, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
If one is predestined by God to continue in the faith, otherwise did he ever have the faith, that was a gift from God by predestining them for it in the first place...

Which would mean it's not really conditional for us or based on us kind of thing, but God... Which is why it's a gift, and cannot be earned or attained to... Either you are one of His, and have always been one of His, by "His choosing" or His predestining, or your not, and if your not, you never really were...

God Bless!

We have a basic problem between us....
I believe that the bible and Jesus taught that it is us, individually, that decide if we wish to serve God and be saved...

Since it is US that decides, we know we have free will and with that free will we can choose to accept God and at any time in the future, for whatever reason, we can decide to abandon God.

Since it is US that choose...those choosing for God can be assured of their salvation as long as they remain IN CHRIST.

Alithis · May 22, 2019

Hammster said:
You’ve tried to link the Matthew passage with 1 John. Let’s look at that.

First, you say that “The scriptures here are the words of JESUS that say those who work sin will not enter into God's Kingdom and the reason they did not enter into God's KINGDOM was because they made an occupation (practice) of working sin.“. Except Jesus didn’t say that. He never said those things were sin. Jesus cast out demons. Jesus prophesied. Jesus did many wonderful works. How can those things be sin? So two problems with your understanding. One, He did not say in that passage that those who work will not enter the kingdom. And two, He did not call what they did sinful.

Next is your connection to 1 John. You say “We can link also link v23 on NOT KNOWING God to 1 JOHN 2:3-4. How do we know if we KNOW God”. Here’s the problem. Jesus didn’t send them away for NOT knowing Him. He sent them away because He did not know them. You even made it all caps and red letters. So to say that it’s because they didn’t know Him, and then link it to 1 John, is a misdirection.

So what is happening here? Just like now, there were false teachers. There were those who prophesied falsely. There were those did fake miracles. But there were (and are now) people who think that it’s because of what they did that will get them in. Anything not done in faith is sin. So if they did these things, and Christ called them sinful, then they were not done in faith. Which means they had no faith in Christ. So they were unbelievers.

So we have to ask, how could an omniscient God not know them? Obviously, He knows who they are. But there’s no affectionate, loving knowledge. There’s no Father/child knowledge. There’s no husband/wife knowledge. There’s no Shepherd/sheep knowledge. Jesus loves those the Father gives Him, and so there is an intimate knowledge. If we are to link a verse here, I think Romans 8:29 is a better connection. “Those He foreknew”. He foreknew those whom He would conform to the image of His Son. That’s a loving phrase right there.

But anyway, I have shown how you’ve mishandled this passage, and given a much more reasonable explanation of the intent. I don’t expect you to interact with this, but hopefully it will give others pause before they buy what you are selling.

Lord lord....
You are right in that he is not saying those things are sin ..but he still rejects them
Because they continued in works of iniquity( they continued to sin ) for me this is a direct harmonious link to johns words saying about the practice of sin .
Iniquity means guilt.
They were guilty of continued sin
So they Got busy trying to make up for it (atone for it) this is why he calles " thier" works.. Works of iniquity

Neogaia777 · May 22, 2019

@LoveGodsWord , if "known unrepentant sin" can keep you out, is it just the known part, or the unrepentant part...? And/or/because, when we finally do come to the full realization of "all sin" and "all that is sin", we also realize how impossible it is to not, "not ever sin at all" from that point onward... And if our salvation is dependent on that, then who can be saved...?

I am "repentant" over and about my sins, and I agree with God about my sins, and do my best not to make any excuses for those sins, but have I been able to fully turn my back and never do ever again all I know to be sin now, no I have not, and I don't think anyone can...

Or are you responsible for your ignorance concerning all that is sin....? And if so, is that a sin...?

I don't think very many of you have a full knowledge of sin, or all that is sin... You try to dumb it down so it's achievable for you, or so you think, but that is lying and not being honest, being deceptive, even toward your own self, and is "sin"...

None of you are sinless, and you can see it on here most of all... The ones that claim it are it, (or more appropriately are not it) (sinless), the most, or more so than anybody else on here... But, of course those of you think they have achieved or attained, don't see that of course, and much of that voluntarily, which is a sin...

God Bless!

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