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One anti-rape strategy for women is have to short hair - makes it impossible for the rapist to grab the woman by the hair. Also makes it easier for them if they are trained in hand-to-hand combat to defeat their attacker.

Rapists also prefer women with long hair. Anything that would help their safety.
What good does it do
to gain a chance for longer/ better? / life (if that actually was possible) on this world,
yet
in doing so lose their soul ?

Perfectly better to trust the heavenly Father to keep His Promises, as He Always Does.
 
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That verse is about resisting temptation. Bad things happen to the good otherwise there would not have been martyrs.
Bad things do happen to the saints, but don't you think that by abiding by the exhortations of the bible your chances of avoiding the bad things will be greater?
I do.

The verse from James is about resisting temptations, but isn't a woman parading around like a man caused by a temptation?
Isn't a man who wants to look like a woman being tempted to do as he "feels"?
 
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No, I'm trying to understand your literal approach to Scripture.
At times, you are keen to emphasize you take it literally. Yet when I ask what such an approach means for YOU, in practice - such as wearing robes and sandals, ignoring certain widows financially and Paul's lack of detail about hair length - you accuse me of desperation, contentiousness and legalism.
Show me from scripture where I am told to wear robes.
If you think a wedding ring makes you seem pompous or worldly..don't wear one.
They probably didn't have wedding rings in Paul's day but if your conscience forbids such a thing...follow your conscience.
A ring is sometimes the first thing some guys look for before cozying up to a woman, so the sight of such fidelity can squelch some unGodly men's interest instantly.
The motive behind the ring is what is important.

Why are you accusing me of trying to discredit Scripture?
Of course I'm not; I'm saying that a literal approach to Scripture leads to problems and contradictions. Rather than consider this, though, and ask "could it be that my approach to Scripture is wrong?", it's clearly easier to falsely accuse a fellow believer.
I know that not all of scripture is literal, but how can a "fellow believer" ignore a glorious covering supplied by God?

Sorry, but that's nonsense.
Hair takes time to grow - are you saying I won't be blessed by God until it's grown to a certain length? Good job he doesn't agree with you on that one.
God offers me a glory, but says "wait 2 years and then you will receive it - simply by staying away from hairdressers"?
When I said "I've had short hair all my life"; I did have longer hair for couple of years as a child, before I became a Christian. It was a pain. It got untidy, tangled, needed tying back, took a long time to dry and style and I was certainly not a better person because I had it. How was that "God's glory" to me - I didn't even know him.
I can't believe we're discussing this; it's not important.
Motive, motive, motive.
If your motive is to adhere to all of God's exhortations, without fail, you wouldn't cut your hair.
Or get glammed up with gold or pearls.
If your motive is self satisfaction...so be it.
You are ignoring scripture and trying to justify it.
 
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I know Christian women who've been raped. Are you implying that they weren't walking with God at the time - that it was about their not walking with God, and not at all about wicked men wanting to exert their power over her?
Blaming victims/survivors of rape for their status in God, rather than evil men who abuse power for pleasure, is wrong.
You call them "Christian women".
What is the basis of your judgement?
It must not include walking with shamefaceddnes and a covering from God.
I must not include keeping themselves safe from dangerous situations.
It must not include daily prayers for mercy and protection.

I blame the man...who picked on the weakest link.
 
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Yes that is true, that is like blaming the poor because they don't walk in the ways of the Lord. Well in fact, that isn't the case (and sometimes, the opposite) and not supported by scriptures.
Is being poor a sin?
No.
Is walking without the protection promised by God a sin?
Yes.
Christians are not of this world, so to go out without companions who are of God, or dressed like a harlot, or drunk, or on drugs, or flirting with men, marks those who are NOT OF GOD.
 
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The bible says long hair is a woman's glory cause it's a covering to her. I think if you ask any woman on the streets if they would rather long or short hair, I am sure of majority of them will say long hair. Long hair is known as beautiful on a woman. It gives her grace and her long hair gives her that kind of beauty God wants to see in women. Its a covering because with you can style your hair in many ways. Long hair gives a woman versatile with herself. There's something really beautiful about women with long hair especially when you see how most of them brush thier hair in the mirror slowly before bedtime. I dont think God wants a woman to cut her hair. He wants everything of her to be left alone because it makes her remain pure and natural. And it's not God's glory, it's the woman's glory because her having long hair makes her very happy and feel blessed...
Whose opinion should we value more?
The woman on the street, or the bible?
 
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Bad things do happen to the saints, but don't you think that by abiding by the exhortations of the bible your chances of avoiding the bad things will be greater?
"avoiding the bad things? "
Bad things like 'persecution' ?

What about:
2 Timothy 3:12
KJ21
Yea, and all who will live a godly life in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
ASV
Yea, and all that would live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
AMP
Indeed, all who delight in pursuing righteousness and are determined to live godly lives in Christ Jesus will be hunted and persecuted [because of their faith].
AMPC
Indeed all who delight in piety and are determined to live a devoted and godly life in Christ Jesus will meet with persecution [will be made to suffer because of their religious stand].
BRG
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
CSB
In fact, all who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
CEB
In fact, anyone who wants to live a holy life in Christ Jesus will be harassed.
CJB
And indeed, all who want to live a godly life united with the Messiah Yeshua will be persecuted,
 
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If you think a wedding ring makes you seem pompous or worldly..don't wear one.
They probably didn't have wedding rings in Paul's day but if your conscience forbids such a thing...follow your conscience.
A ring is sometimes the first thing some guys look for before cozying up to a woman, so the sight of such fidelity can squelch some unGodly men's interest instantly.
The motive behind the ring is what is important.

Not according to Scripture.
Paul said he wanted women to dress modestly, not ith gold or pearls - and you take a literal approach to Scripture.
What makes these verses a matter of choice, and the following ones a divine command that Paul wrote because he was told to?

I know that not all of scripture is literal, but how can a "fellow believer" ignore a glorious covering supplied by God?

Hair style is a choice, not a command.

Motive, motive, motive.
If your motive is to adhere to all of God's exhortations, without fail, you wouldn't cut your hair.

Nonsense - he didn't command women everywhere to have short hair.
Paul seemed to have had a thing about plaited hair too. Try telling women with dreadlocks that they aren't following God - religious and cultural intolerance in the same sentence.

Or get glammed up with gold or pearls.

I don't.
I wear a gold wedding ring, Paul says, in Scripture, that he does not allow such a thing, and you have a literal approach to Scripture - I'm asking you how you reconcile that.

You are ignoring scripture and trying to justify it.

You think that if you want to.
 
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You call them "Christian women".
What is the basis of your judgement?

I knew some of them. Others testify to being Christians and I see no reason to doubt them.

It must not include walking with shamefaceddnes

A woman has no need to feel ashamed of being raped - neither does a man, actually.
The fault, the shame and the guilt belong entirely to the rapist.

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I must not include keeping themselves safe from dangerous situations.

Dangerous situations - like answering their own front door in their own home? Or being with a drunken relative who takes advantage?
 
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Exactly.
You seem to think answering the door in this world ruled by the devil is "safe"?
Better re-examine what is safe.

Doctors and pastors and babysitters and hitchhikers and car salesmen and lawyers and corporations and high ranking military personnel and bankers and stock analysts and drug makers
and on and on and on throughout all society
have all proven NOT to be safe many times, every year.

What to do...... what to do ....... ?
 
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Based on some of your "judgements" here, I don't trust you..

Doesn't matter whether you do or not.
Women who were/are Christians have been raped - fact.
 
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There's something really beautiful about women with long hair especially when you see how most of them brush thier hair in the mirror slowly before bedtime. I dont think God wants a woman to cut her hair. He wants everything of her to be left alone because it makes her remain pure and natural. And it's not God's glory, it's the woman's glory because her having long hair makes her very happy and feel blessed...
Where do you see that most women with long hair brush it slowly in the mirror each night? Having long hair does not make me feel happy or blessed. Or anyone, that I’m aware. If that were true we could cure depression!
 
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Is being poor a sin?
No.
Is walking without the protection promised by God a sin?
Yes.
Christians are not of this world, so to go out without companions who are of God, or dressed like a harlot, or drunk, or on drugs, or flirting with men, marks those who are NOT OF GOD.
Most rapes occur in someone’s home, by someone the victim knows.

And what about children who are raped?
 
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Based on some of your "judgements" here, I don't trust you.


You misunderstand "shamefaced".
Not shame for the rape, but an attitude of self abasement to God.


Exactly.
You seem to think answering the door in this world ruled by the devil is "safe"?
Better re-examine what is safe.
So women should never answer the door?
 
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Most rapes occur in someone’s home, by someone the victim knows.
I can neither verify nor refute your claim.
Can you?
To think that God has given women protection from such horrors, and they refuse it, baffles me.

And what about children who are raped?
Those poor children were not at home with Christian parents.
Had they been, the parents would not have allowed it.
God would not have allowed it.

Don't you trust God?
 
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Not if they are alone.
Why ask for trouble?
We live in a world of God haters, so every interaction with them is perilous.
Please try not to blame the victim, nor suggest that masculinity is an excuse!
 
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I can neither verify nor refute your claim.
Can you?
To think that God has given women protection from such horrors, and they refuse it, baffles me.


Those poor children were not at home with Christian parents.
Had they been, the parents would not have allowed it.
God would not have allowed it.

Don't you trust God?
1) there is plenty of information out there about rape. You can definitely verify or refute my claim if you want to.
2)What about children of non-Christian parents? And what about parents who rape their children? Most children are raped by family members.
 
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Not if they are alone.
Why ask for trouble?
We live in a world of God haters, so every interaction with them is perilous.
That’s silly. statistically, a woman is more likely to be raped by someone she knows than a stranger. Have you ever talked with a woman about her rape experience?
 
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