Is your religion making Americans poor.

redleghunter · May 21, 2019

GingerBeer said:
What? Treat people kindly?

So you are asking me the last time I treated someone kindly?

GingerBeer · May 21, 2019

redleghunter said:
So you are asking me the last time I treated someone kindly?

Yes and no, the no part is that I asked for something quite specific that Jesus mentions in Matthew 25:31-46.

redleghunter · May 22, 2019

GingerBeer said:
Yes and no, the no part is that I asked for something quite specific that Jesus mentions in Matthew 25:31-46.

So you are asking me if I am a Christian.

Peter J Barban · May 22, 2019

GingerBeer said:
Really, when did you last do that?

I am doing that right now. I am an American citizen living in Taiwan as a volunteer missionary. I have been here since 1992. My family does contribute to the poor. Can you give me my prize now?

ps. Why is an Australian so concerned about America? Did you start your message with Australians?

Danielwright2311 · May 22, 2019

When Romans 13:1-5 was written , yes, it was true, every government was from God, at least they thought so.

But now, its not so, It was not written that all in time , and ours even that governments would be from God. With that said, Hitler, was not from god, Stalin was not from God, Many others also, There are so many great examples of this fact I cant list them all.

GingerBeer · May 22, 2019

redleghunter said:
So you are asking me if I am a Christian.

Let's not go there.

GingerBeer · May 22, 2019

Peter J Barban said:
I am doing that right now. I am an American citizen living in Taiwan as a volunteer missionary. I have been here since 1992. My family does contribute to the poor. Can you give me my prize now?

ps. Why is an Australian so concerned about America? Did you start your message with Australians?

I am not Australian only. I have dual citizenship.

Yes, you can have a prize if you want one.

Peter J Barban · May 22, 2019

Thanks for the offer.
I agree that we should work for justice. However, the New Testament encourages us to live justly, not to impose justice on others.

If I treat others justly, God will be satisfied even if I don't support increased taxes for the poor, or protest unfair actions by corporations.

Forgiven Child · May 22, 2019

I thought the new taxes were to pay for the Wall, that Mexico would pay for.

25% Tax on Chinese Goods to be paid by those that buy Chinese goods.

Forgiven Child · May 22, 2019

Walmart is upset.

Are there any small Town stores left in The USA?

Forgiven Child · May 22, 2019

If it cost the same MADE IN THE USA,

Are you still going to SWARM WALMART on the Friday after Thanksgiving?

W2L · May 22, 2019

RDKirk said:
So let's do that!

One pastor has said, truly, "The Body of Christ has all the resources in hand to satisfy the needs of the Body of Christ."

All of us Christians together own enough wealth to make sure no Christian on earth need go naked, hungry, or homeless.

Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need.

The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.” -- 2 Corinthians 8:13-15

So lets do just that much--let's make sure every Christian in the world has all their needs met.

But even when it's mentioned that the Body of Christ should feed and cloth and house the Body of Christ, some Christians--particularly in America--reflexively start crying "Socialism!"

A few years ago I was listening to David Jeremiah on the radio reading 2 Corinthians 8 aloud. He actually skipped right over verses 13-15 without a pause, as though they were not even there. He couldn't bring himself to read them.

Such a wily plan Satan has accomplished, that Christians run away from scripture itself.

Jesus said seek the kingdom and God will take care of us. Is that socialism?

Forgiven Child · May 22, 2019

W2L said:
Jesus said seek the kingdom and God will take care of us. Is that socialism?

It is an old story.

If the RCC was to give away ALL of it's wealth, they would receive it again within a Year.
By Tithes.

When you are dealing with so much money, it is in the BILLIONS,
100,000 are reached in Seconds, Millions, in minutes,
Changing 999 BILLION to one Trillion takes some time.

There are so MANY BILLIONS involved, what is the difference between 48 Billion and 55 Billion?

The RCC could give away all of its money, and within a Year would again be in the Billions.

GingerBeer · May 22, 2019

Peter J Barban said:
I agree that we should work for justice. However, the New Testament encourages us to live justly, not to impose justice on others.

How do you square that statement with all the pro-life agitation for laws restricting abortions?

GingerBeer · May 22, 2019

W2L said:
Jesus said seek the kingdom and God will take care of us. Is that socialism?

It might be.

GingerBeer · May 22, 2019

Forgiven Child said:
If the RCC was to give away ALL of it's wealth, they would receive it again within a Year.
By Tithes.

Do Catholics expect to tithe and are they asked to?

Peter J Barban · May 22, 2019

GingerBeer said:
How do you square that statement with all the pro-life agitation for laws restricting abortions?

Abortion is unjust to the unborn. The state may make it legal, but it is still unjust. To destroy the innocent is one of the most evil acts imaginable. I could make the case that abortion is a demonic sacrifice. But let's not get sidetracked on abortion.

GingerBeer · May 22, 2019

Peter J Barban said:
Abortion is unjust to the unborn. The state may make it legal, but it is still unjust. To destroy the innocent is one of the most evil acts imaginable. I could make the case that abortion is a demonic sacrifice. But let's not get sidetracked on abortion.

But isn't what you suggest imposing justice on others?

Peter J Barban · May 22, 2019

I knew that you were going there. Yes, the state should impose justice. And in a democracy citizens can vote on their leaders who then make the laws. Every state has laws to promote justice, otherwise, there would be anarchy.

Taxes are not justice. No one collects takes in the name of justice or spends them on justice.

HatGuy · May 22, 2019

GingerBeer said:
The USA is driven by corporate profit and governed by politicians who are in the pockets of corporate lobbyists and churches are busy making people believe that this is all good and godly and right and as things ought to be. When things go wrong how many pulpits are filled by men and women preaching

(Romans 13:1-5) [1] Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. [2] Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgement. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, [4] for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. [5] Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
But the scriptures are not written to make people docile. Injustice is not to be accepted. Wealth and power are not to be taken by the strong and denied to the less strong, the old, widows, orphans, the weak, and the poor. The prophets railed against Israel's kings, nobles, and religious leaders when the poor were left homeless in poverty. How much more should churches be doing the same - railing against injustice and poverty and fighting to have it redressed. How much more should christian voters be voting to prevent wealth from being accumulated in the hands of a very small number of families while millions are in abject poverty? So is your religion making Americans poor?

Churches should be churches and social justice movements should be social justice movements IMO.

If my church changed into a social justice initiative, there would be no community, no gospel preaching, no receiving of the sacraments, and no freedom of conscience or opinion.

But church members are welcome to get involved in any social justice initiative it wants - and even to start a few, and even with the support of pastors and others in the church.

But a local church should be a local church and not be something else.

Mixing social justice projects with the church is, for me, the same as mixing church and business. They are to influence each other and have some cross over, but they're not supposed to be the same thing.

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