Women Preachers...The truth!

Strong in Him said:

Long hair is something that happens as a result of never having it cut. Hair grows.
Short hair is also a fashion choice; nothing to do with God's blessings. I am very blessed by God and I've had short hair all my life.

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You have chosen "fashion" over "scripture".
Thankfully, God is long-suffering to those who chose their own way over His.
How much time do you figure you have left?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Correct in that, "the church is a mess", since people have "such little Biblical understanding".

When Yahuweh says it is shameful for women to have short hair, then it is shameful to have short hair - no debate needed.

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He didn't - Paul said that. And at the time it was no doubt true; I'm told that short hair, back THEN, was a sign of prostitution. But that's not the case now.
Back THEN it was the custom to wear robes and sandals - not many do now.

Hair length was not taught by Jesus, is not in the 10 commandments, has nothing to do with salvation and is not a sin.

Phil W said:

You have chosen "fashion" over "scripture".

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Presumably you go about in robes and sandals then - seeing as that's Scripture. It's also Scriptural that you should have slaves and treat them well. And if you're married and you exchanged gold wedding rings in church, then you chose tradition over Scripture - since women are "forbidden" to wear gold.

Of course I haven't chosen fashion over Scripture. Fashion is temporary, changing, and, imo, not very important - the word of the Lord lasts forever.
Hair length, rings, pearls etc have nothing to do with salvation.

Strong in Him said:

He didn't - Paul said that. And at the time it was no doubt true; I'm told that short hair, back THEN, was a sign of prostitution. But that's not the case now.

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Today the case is much worse. (not allowed to state on this forum)

Phil W said:

You have chosen "fashion" over "scripture".
Thankfully, God is long-suffering to those who chose their own way over His.
How much time do you figure you have left?

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"We are in the last hour" (perhaps "last minute" is appropriate?)

Beware of Antichrists
17The world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God remains forever. 18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know that it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.…
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Romans 13:11
And do this, understanding the occasion. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

Romans 13:12
The night is nearly over; the day has drawn near. So let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

Strong in Him said:

Presumably you go about in robes and sandals then - seeing as that's Scripture. It's also Scriptural that you should have slaves and treat them well. And if you're married and you exchanged gold wedding rings in church, then you chose tradition over Scripture - since women are "forbidden" to wear gold.

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You must be getting desperate.
Such ludicrous claims that are not scriptural used in an attempt to discredit scripture.
Where is the scripture that says anyone must wear robes?
I can show you some scripture about modest wear for women.
But they probably don't count for you either.

Of course I haven't chosen fashion over Scripture. Fashion is temporary, changing, and, imo, not very important - the word of the Lord lasts forever.
Hair length, rings, pearls etc have nothing to do with salvation.

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A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
God offers you a glory, and you refuse it on the grounds that "it has nothing to do with salvation".

timewerx said:

One anti-rape strategy for women is have to short hair - makes it impossible for the rapist to grab the woman by the hair. Also makes it easier for them if they are trained in hand-to-hand combat to defeat their attacker.

Rapists also prefer women with long hair. Anything that would help their safety.

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You seem not to realize that women walking in the ways of the Lord have His protection. (James 4:7)

timewerx said:

The Pharisees who hang tight to scriptures also thought that Jesus is contradicting the scriptures when He performed miracles (work) on the Sabbath and among other things He did.

Understanding the scriptures is not as simple as many would have you believe. There's a matter of literal and figurative teachings and a factor of benevolence or justice and even common sense.
A lot has changed since then.....
Comparatively speaking, a lot has changed since the time of Moses and the time of Roman Occupation. The Pharisees failed to see God's heart in the scriptures (leading to gross misinterpretation) and thus, painted a wrong picture of the Messiah and rejecting the real Christ.

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Do you feel those walking modestly, according to scripture, fails to see God's heart?
Societal norms change with the wind, but God's "norms" do not change.
Which should we be following?
And why?

Phil W said:

You seem not to realize that women walking in the ways of the Lord have His protection. (James 4:7)

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HA! Are you saying that all rape victims were not “walking in the ways of the lord?”

Sparagmos said:

HA! Are you saying that all rape victims were not “walking in the ways of the lord?”

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I'm saying that those who walk in the ways of the Lord have God's protection from such a heinous event.
I have faith in that protection.

In Biblical times, people believed that women draw the seed of men by their hair. It was in their common and accepted medical texts.

Therefore the longer the hair was, the more fertile the woman was. Showing long hair therefore was equal to showing that the woman is fertile and ready for sex.

From this reason, the covering of their hair in the church was similar to covering other sexual parts of a female body. And because it was a symbol of female fertility, it was "naturally" thought to be a disgrace for a man to have it. It was like having a female body part.

Phil W said:

You seem not to realize that women walking in the ways of the Lord have His protection. (James 4:7)

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That verse is about resisting temptation. Bad things happen to the good otherwise there would not have been martyrs.

[QUOTE="Phil W, post: 73966956, member: 41880"

Is this the verse you have misinterpreted?
"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly,..." (Rom 1:27)
The correct wording of God's verse shoots a hole in your "theory".[/QUOTE]

That is the version l am using. Changing the natural order is unseemly and lust is interpreted as desire not necessarily sexual . Scripture often expresses things much more strongly than our modern way of speaking.

I never said I was rejecting Paul.

Phil W said:

You must be getting desperate.

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No, I'm trying to understand your literal approach to Scripture.
At times, you are keen to emphasise you take it literally. Yet when I ask what such an approach means for YOU, in practice - such as wearing robes and sandals, ignoring certain widows financially and Paul's lack of detail about hair length - you accuse me of desperation, contentiousness and legalism.

Phil W said:

I can show you some scripture about modest wear for women.
But they probably don't count for you either.

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I know where the verses are. What about Paul's instruction what women must not wear gold - what's your/your parents/friends wedding rings made of?

Why are you accusing me of trying to discredit Scripture?
Of course I'm not; I'm saying that a literal approach to Scripture leads to problems and contradictions. Rather than consider this, though, and ask "could it be that my approach to Scripture is wrong?", it's clearly easier to falsely accuse a fellow believer.

Phil W said:

God offers you a glory, and you refuse it on the grounds that "it has nothing to do with salvation".

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Sorry, but that's nonsense.
Hair takes time to grow - are you saying I won't be blessed by God until it's grown to a certain length? Good job he doesn't agree with you on that one.
God offers me a glory, but says "wait 2 years and then you will receive it - simply by staying away from hairdressers"?

When I said "I've had short hair all my life"; I did have longer hair for couple of years as a child, before I became a Christian. It was a pain. It got untidy, tangled, needed tying back, took a long time to dry and style and I was certainly not a better person because I had it. How was that "God's glory" to me - I didn't even know him.

I can't believe we're discussing this; it's not important.

Phil W said:

I'm saying that those who walk in the ways of the Lord have God's protection from such a heinous event.

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I know Christian women who've been raped. Are you implying that they weren't walking with God at the time - that it was about their not walking with God, and not at all about wicked men wanting to exert their power over her?
Blaming victims/survivors of rape for their status in God, rather than evil men who abuse power for pleasure, is wrong.

The bible says long hair is a woman's glory cause it's a covering to her. I think if you ask any woman on the streets if they would rather long or short hair, I am sure of majority of them will say long hair. Long hair is known as beautiful on a woman. It gives her grace and her long hair gives her that kind of beauty God wants to see in women. Its a covering because with you can style your hair in many ways. Long hair gives a woman versatile with herself. There's something really beautiful about women with long hair especially when you see how most of them brush thier hair in the mirror slowly before bedtime. I dont think God wants a woman to cut her hair. He wants everything of her to be left alone because it makes her remain pure and natural. And it's not God's glory, it's the woman's glory because her having long hair makes her very happy and feel blessed...