Believing Blasphemous Thoughts

SamsonXX said:

Satan doesn't have anything on Jesus or His Crusaders.

If you take pills for that..

I can't say what I really feel.

Deuteronomy 32:35

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The problem with you people is that you think mental illness is purely spiritual and not physical. The issue is that it is a physical condition that can badly effect our spiritual life. i believe the word works foolproof spiritually, but physically everything has been effected by sin and the fall and God wants it like that most of the time.

For example - down syndrome people don't become normal when they come to faith and neither do those without arms or legs get new ones when they are filled with the Holy Ghost. Indeed there were thousands of sick people in Israel at the time of Jesus but He only healed a small number of them. The same with the disciples later on. We read of a few healings but nothing grand scale in the new testament Church, very much as it is nowadays i presume. Millions of believers across all Churches suffer and die from illnesses that God doesn't heal, even though many people are praying for them.

For years i had 100 percent faith that God would heal me from my illness, i refused medicines, and went by faith alone, it wasn't true. The truth told me that God didn't intend to heal me no matter how much i tried to force Him to do that having faith in Him. God did not heal me by faith alone, obviously it wasn't in His will.

The truth is that he did bring me medicine and they worked great restoring my mind to sanity. Now i can enjoy an even far better relationship with Christ and everyone else then the time i was still crazed out of my mind.

i hope that mentally people reading your comments are not swayed of their medicine to go and do it by faith alone.

i once knew a lady who was mentally ill, married with a daughter who went to a charismatic Church, and was on medicine. She was doing really well, was reasonably happily married and adored her daughter, and her daughter her.

Any way the Church leaders found out she was on medicine and told her that this was sinful and that she had to learn to trust in God and put her faith in Jesus and go of the medicine. After struggling with this for awhile, she decided that her pastor was right and she went off her medicine.

It was horrible to see everything go down hill within days of stopping, poor lady went psychotic and run totally out of control and destroyed her relationship with her family over the next few months. All while she had 100 percent faith in God, and she was praising Him, and so happy in her faith because God was going to heal her. Poor lady had no idea what she was doing! Destroying everything around her. (This has happened to me countless times as well!)

She lost her husband who divorced her, almost lost her faith in God, and spend years trying to restore some kind of relationship with her daughter, who at first completely disowned her. She was never the same again.

i was so upset with those Church leaders for doing that, they literally destroyed a family with their erroneous thinking.

(Not saying that Jesus can't heal i have seen Him do it, so i know He can, but He doesn't often do that, just like it was in Israel at the time.)

SamsonXX said:

I don't interpret the Holy scripture as You, especially with the whole Demon thing.

Demons were slayed @ least 72 years before Christ was born (72BC), with the exception of 1..CarSor.

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Anyone can interpret the Bible through their natural reasoning. Only the elect of God who are born again of the Spirit of God can spiritually discern what the Bible is really saying.

Jeshu said:

The problem with you people is that you think mental illness is purely spiritual and not physical. The issue is that it is a physical condition that can badly effect our spiritual life. i believe the word works foolproof spiritually, but physically everything has been effected by sin and the fall and God wants it like that most of the time.

For example - down syndrome people don't become normal when they come to faith and neither do those without arms or legs get new ones when they are filled with the Holy Ghost. Indeed there were thousands of sick people in Israel at the time of Jesus but He only healed a small number of them. The same with the disciples later on. We read of a few healings but nothing grand scale in the new testament Church, very much as it is nowadays i presume. Millions of believers across all Churches suffer and die from illnesses that God doesn't heal, even though many people are praying for them.

For years i had 100 percent faith that God would heal me from my illness, i refused medicines, and went by faith alone, it wasn't true. The truth told me that God didn't intend to heal me no matter how much i tried to force Him to do that having faith in Him. God did not heal me by faith alone, obviously it wasn't in His will.

The truth is that he did bring me medicine and they worked great restoring my mind to sanity. Now i can enjoy an even far better relationship with Christ and everyone else then the time i was still crazed out of my mind.

i hope that mentally people reading your comments are not swayed of their medicine to go and do it by faith alone.

i once knew a lady who was mentally ill, married with a daughter who went to a charismatic Church, and was on medicine. She was doing really well, was reasonably happily married and adored her daughter, and her daughter her.

Any way the Church leaders found out she was on medicine and told her that this was sinful and that she had to learn to trust in God and put her faith in Jesus and go of the medicine. After struggling with this for awhile, she decided that her pastor was right and she went off her medicine.

It was horrible to see everything go down hill within days of stopping, poor lady went psychotic and run totally out of control and destroyed her relationship with her family over the next few months. All while she had 100 percent faith in God, and she was praising Him, and so happy in her faith because God was going to heal her. Poor lady had no idea what she was doing! Destroying everything around her. (This has happened to me countless times as well!)

She lost her husband who divorced her, almost lost her faith in God, and spend years trying to restore some kind of relationship with her daughter, who at first completely disowned her. She was never the same again.

i was so upset with those Church leaders for doing that, they literally destroyed a family with their erroneous thinking.

(Not saying that Jesus can't heal i have seen Him do it, so i know He can, but He doesn't often do that, just like it was in Israel at the time.)

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I apologise on behalf of those church leaders. They were not representing Jesus at all. It wasn't the church leaders who prescribed the meds, and as I said previous on this thread, only the doctor who prescribed the meds should be the one to advise the person to stop taking them.

Even church leaders may not be part of the truly elect of God, even if they are Charismatic. Anyone can walk the walk and talk the talk and yet have unchanged hearts, and whose religion is just an outward show.

NoahSK said:

so I’ve posted here many times for different reasons, so I’m not going to explain everything that has happened to me. Anyway, my biggest worry right now is blasphemous thoughts, typical for people with this kind of OCD, right? Maybe not so for me. You see, I know that having the thoughts themselves aren’t necessary blasphemy and are mostly intrusive, but for me the real issue is believing the blasphemous thoughts. No, I don’t hate God, or want to go against Him, but blasphemous thoughts (for specifically what thought, read some of my other posts, basically Jesus=Satan, basically what the Pharisees were saying when the unforgivable sin was mentioned) will enter my head, and even though I don’t want to believe it, it’s like my mind will attempt to conjure up every conceivable thing to try to convince me that this particular idea/thought is true. I’ve tried looking up things about Jesus fulfilling messianic prophecy to try and get me to stop thinking that He is a deceiver, but of course then my mind will say “He did that to fool people” or something like that. Basically, my mind will come up with ridiculous reasons for why this though is true, which makes me believe the thought, even though I don’t want to believe it. I don’t know. I guess the thing that scares me most is not that I’m having these thoughts, but more that I’m starting to believe them. Can OCD not only make you have blasphemous thoughts, but also make you, in some sense, believe them? Or is the believe part all me and I’ve done something horrible. This has debilitated my walk with God, as I can’t think about Him without this happening.

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This is OCD doing what it does best - saying, "Well, I can see how xyz is an obsession, but in MY case, I think it's actually real!" OCD will come up with literally every angle it can to keep you obsessing. You have to get good at learning to recognize it, and to ignore it every time it pops up, in whatever way it pops up. If you don't, it will just keep coming up with more and more arguments to try to convince you that THIS obsession is actually not OCD. It's pretty tricky that way!

Anybody here feel like these horrible disgusting Blasphemous felt have become a habit along with the feelings of disdain and hatred towards the Lord of which when fighting against causes the most extreme detachment and anxiety. But yet it seems you can't break the cycle because some part of you is addicted to the thoughts it's like you can't quit something keeps thinking then and then you almost crave those feelings that come with it but yet the aftermath is severe anxiety panic and fear of hell!!!

zachariahjosephturner said:

Anybody here feel like these horrible disgusting Blasphemous felt have become a habit along with the feelings of disdain and hatred towards the Lord of which when fighting against causes the most extreme detachment and anxiety. But yet it seems you can't break the cycle because some part of you is addicted to the thoughts it's like you can't quit something keeps thinking then and then you almost crave those feelings that come with it but yet the aftermath is severe anxiety panic and fear of hell!!!

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Could it be part of your obsession to feel like you don't want to quit thinking the thoughts and to fear that the thoughts are a permanent part of you? Sometimes, when we are working on our OCD, we get "back door" obsessions, such as being afraid that our obsession is a real problem and not OCD because we don't feel anxious about the issue anymore. These are all tricky ways that the OCD tries to get at us.

I truly got saved in late 2009 on fire for God but when October 2013 battcame ale like none other came upon me like no other. I eat sleep and breathe blasphemy weather I feel it think it whatever it does not leave me even right now I keep thinking Blasphemous thoughts over and over and over even while rebuking them and ignoring them which stand in return brings extreme numbness and anxiety to say that I suffer from derealization depersonalization is speaking lightly of the matter I feel like my skin is going to be ripped off my body I feel literally like a mannequin filled with cement the feeling is so ungodly I don't wish it upon my worst enemy and it all stems from feelings and thoughts of which I know are irrational but yet they will not go away I have not felt love for God in a long time though I still tried to pray and read and consider myself a Christian I'm not as you say a babe in Christ for I have walked with God for many years I don't know OCD demons the devil himself mental illness whatever it is it's killing me I can't get it to go away I pray many of times and felt like a breakthrough was there but yet it only seemed to get worse right now I feel numb I have no emotion I can't even remember the beginning of the week it's like it never existed I don't know who else deals with this but it is awful it even makes my whole body ache as if I have severe flu-like symptoms

Plus 2 I walked around constantly feeling condemned committing blasphemy of which is against my will I constantly feel like I'm getting ready to sink into my body and fall down a black hole of hopelessness I constantly feel like I'm going to die my next breath I try to figure it out on my own to no avail I tried to convince myself I do love God I don't hate the things of God although everything I tried to do for God or that involves got my mind Wilkerson the compulsions that I did in the beginning of all this overwhelmed me and now that's the hardest thing to quit I feel like I can't get out of this yes I have been to the doctor and tried medication which I feel made it worse.maybe we would agree on this the fact that if they truly were my feelings and my thoughts and I loved them then I would not have all the pains of anxiety and fear and panic attacks I kind of take that as a sign that they're not my thoughts for if I truly wanted them and love to them then I would go through life happy and would not be worried about it am I correct? I mean I literally feel possessed now where is in the beginning I could see that this wasn't from me but now 5 years later I've consumed in it and I feel literally possessed by these feelings and thoughts I cannot stop them it's almost as if they're I have it as if when I feel normal I don't know how to accept it so I go back to misery it's like a drug addict shooting up with heroin but at the same time crying out for freedom from his addiction.Any help would truly be greatly appreciated thanks and God bless!

From an OCD-fighting standpoint, maybe the problem is that you're trying to make it go away. Often, with OCD, the more we try to get it to go away, the more it digs its heels in. What I've had to do for past obsessions is to just drop the matter; to let OCD send me whatever thoughts it wants, but not to respond to them. In your case, that would be letting the intrusive thoughts come without trying to rebuke them. That does NOT mean you're accepting them; it just means that you're ignoring them and treating them as meaningless static from your brain, which is what they are. Your OCD is sending them because it knows it can make you miserable through them. Your job is to not let yourself be miserable, but to be as nonchalant as possible. "You're sending me more thoughts, OCD? Whatever. I know I don't mean them." Then you just go about your business, without responding to the thoughts at all. Even depersonalization - though it stinks - can be dealt with this way. Instead of worrying about the fact that you DO feel depersonalization, decide that whatever you feel or don't feel, you're just going to choose to follow God. It doesn't matter what you feel, anyway. Of course, good feelings are nice - and those will come back to you, eventually - but it will take a lot of perseverance through standing up to the OCD by ignoring it, and NOT doing the things it is asking you to do to relieve the anxiety (rebuke/cancel the thoughts, ruminate, research compulsively, etc.). Does that make sense?

Also, here's a good video series that helps illustrate the process of how we can effectively handle obsessive thoughts: https://noiseinyourhead.com/free-video-series/

Yea I really think I am dealing with demonic obsession........... I eat sleep and breath blasphemy the spirit weather by mouth or thought it Grieves me to the utmost I have no control over it.......But yet I'm addicted!!! Trying to stop but can't because it feels like I want it! Pretty much I'm obsessed with all of it and I can't get it to slack up at all no matter what!

You feel like you want it because your OCD knows that it really bothers you to feel that way, so it keeps making you feel that way. The first step to getting out of this is to realize that just because you FEEL like you want it, or are afraid that you want it, does not mean that you do. So, you have to let yourself relax (easier said than done, I know), and treat the thoughts as what they are, which is meaningless jabs by your brain to try to get you to be afraid. As long as you are freaked out by the thoughts, your OCD will continue to send them. As hard as it is, you MUST stop doing compulsions such as trying to push away the thoughts, "cancel"/rebuke them, ask forgiveness for them, etc. You so badly don't want them that your brain keeps sending you more. My brain does the same thing, with other things - for example, I might think, "I'd like something bad to happen to [person I love]." My mind distinctly thought it, and I'm afraid that I mean it, but I know that our brains do weird and random things and having a thought is not the same as meaning or desiring that thing. I'm slowly learning this, but it takes a long time, and a lot of practice of resisting compulsions. For example, my gut reaction when I have a "bad" thought like I described above is to pray for God to "cancel" it out. Sometimes I do this. But in reality, the truth is that I didn't even mean the thought in the first place. So I have to recognize that, and try to avoid doing the compulsions that OCD is "forcing" me to do in order to feel better. Are you able to identify your compulsions, and work on resisting them?

Is it a common thing to want to stay away from the Bible and or praying because you know it will just irritate the Blasphemous thoughts and or Blasphemous feelings or it may even show you false things things like You're damned to eternal hell with no hope I'm dealing with this right now now I know the thing to do is just pray and read despite what I feel and what comes in my mind but yet it's so hard to do I look at the Bible and my mind says you blasphemed the Holy Ghost and you cannot enjoy that and I know all of this silly but yet at the same time it's so hard and relentless so the question is is it common for even seasoned Christians who are starting to deal with this at a degree almost unbearable for them to almost stay away from reading and or praying because they trigger the thoughts even more

zachariahjosephturner said:

Is it a common thing to want to stay away from the Bible and or praying because you know it will just irritate the Blasphemous thoughts and or Blasphemous feelings or it may even show you false things things like You're damned to eternal hell with no hope I'm dealing with this right now now I know the thing to do is just pray and read despite what I feel and what comes in my mind but yet it's so hard to do I look at the Bible and my mind says you blasphemed the Holy Ghost and you cannot enjoy that and I know all of this silly but yet at the same time it's so hard and relentless so the question is is it common for even seasoned Christians who are starting to deal with this at a degree almost unbearable for them to almost stay away from reading and or praying because they trigger the thoughts even more

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Yep. People with OCD tend to avoid things that trigger them. For people with religious obsessions, that's often prayer/Bible reading. You're right to try to do those things despite the OCD, to not let the OCD stop you. But it's OK to also be a little easy on yourself while you're struggling so much. For example, by praying just a bit a time, or reading less triggering Bible passages.

Also, you're not "addicted" to blasphemy. You have OCD, and it's trying to make you THINK that you want to be addicted to it. But you're not. Once your mind stops freaking out about getting blasphemous thoughts, it will start to calm down and send you fewer disturbing thoughts/feelings. Focus on standing up to OCD just a bit at a time. For example, if you get a disturbing thought, you could just mentally remind yourself that you don't mean it, and refuse to let yourself react in any other way. Of course, your OCD will try to make you think that you DO mean it. But that doesn't mean you do. You can choose to keep moving forward with your life and following God no matter how you feel. You can choose to not engage in compulsions (ruminating, researching, etc.) and not let OCD affect your choices, even if it's making you feel terrible. As much as you can, focus on your actions. You WILL get better. It just takes time and a lot of practice/perseverance in saying no to the OCD.

zachariahjosephturner said:

Is it a common thing to want to stay away from the Bible and or praying because you know it will just irritate the Blasphemous thoughts and or Blasphemous feelings or it may even show you false things things like You're damned to eternal hell with no hope I'm dealing with this right now now I know the thing to do is just pray and read despite what I feel and what comes in my mind but yet it's so hard to do I look at the Bible and my mind says you blasphemed the Holy Ghost and you cannot enjoy that and I know all of this silly but yet at the same time it's so hard and relentless so the question is is it common for even seasoned Christians who are starting to deal with this at a degree almost unbearable for them to almost stay away from reading and or praying because they trigger the thoughts even more

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Hey there, I'm also relatively new to this site and I'm also going through something similar to your situation. I'm sorry you had to go through this for such a long time. The blasphemous thoughts just started out of nowhere 2 - 3 weeks ago, and It really made me despair because I thought I was alone and how evil I must have been for thinking such things against God. The thoughts and even my feelings started to get affected, and like you said it is like my mind is trying to find every single way to blaspheme God or just think bad thoughts. The truth is we're not alone and the bible itself says there's no sin uncommon in man. I believe it's demons that are oppressing you. Have you thought about deliverance? I myself am getting one soon by a ministry deliverance near me. I'll link you a website that has convinced me it is demons and attacks from the enemy. It also includes self-deliverance or contacting the author of website for deliverance. You can also see if there is a ministry near you that does deliverance. God bless you brother and hang in there. Know that God knows what you're going through and he will never forsake us. Keep praying!
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Dawit Abrham said:

Hey there, I'm also relatively new to this site and I'm also going through something similar to your situation. I'm sorry you had to go through this for such a long time. The blasphemous thoughts just started out of nowhere 2 - 3 weeks ago, and It really made me despair because I thought I was alone and how evil I must have been for thinking such things against God. The thoughts and even my feelings started to get affected, and like you said it is like my mind is trying to find every single way to blaspheme God or just think bad thoughts. The truth is we're not alone and the bible itself says there's no sin uncommon in man. I believe it's demons that are oppressing you. Have you thought about deliverance? I myself am getting one soon by a ministry deliverance near me. I'll link you a website that has convinced me it is demons and attacks from the enemy. It also includes self-deliverance or contacting the author of website for deliverance. You can also see if there is a ministry near you that does deliverance. God bless you brother and hang in there. Know that God knows what you're going through and he will never forsake us. Keep praying!
Demonic Doorways and Signs or Symptoms of Demonization/Demonic Oppression

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I'm not trying to argue with something that has worked for you, but I do want to point out that OCD is not the same as demonic attacks.

Dawit Abrham said:

Hey there, I'm also relatively new to this site and I'm also going through something similar to your situation. I'm sorry you had to go through this for such a long time. The blasphemous thoughts just started out of nowhere 2 - 3 weeks ago, and It really made me despair because I thought I was alone and how evil I must have been for thinking such things against God. The thoughts and even my feelings started to get affected, and like you said it is like my mind is trying to find every single way to blaspheme God or just think bad thoughts. The truth is we're not alone and the bible itself says there's no sin uncommon in man. I believe it's demons that are oppressing you. Have you thought about deliverance? I myself am getting one soon by a ministry deliverance near me. I'll link you a website that has convinced me it is demons and attacks from the enemy. It also includes self-deliverance or contacting the author of website for deliverance. You can also see if there is a ministry near you that does deliverance. God bless you brother and hang in there. Know that God knows what you're going through and he will never forsake us. Keep praying!
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This is the craziest thing anybody can go through from late 2009 when I got saved to October 2013 I was truly on fire for the Lord I read the Bible through I was praying constantly the Lord he called me to preach but October of 2013 I started having these Blasphemous thoughts which I had all through my walk but they never really affected me I even had them severe when I first got saved guess the enemy was angry but they came back with a vengeance and now 5 years later it's like my emotions and mind is against God it's almost like I want the thoughts it feels like I desire then it feels like I can think nothing but blasphemies against the spirit God Christ and everything to do with God mostly the holy spirit it's like something in me almost enjoys it to which my true self responds with the feeling of almost puking my guts out I feel wretched I don't know what to do the thoughts are 24/7 I do not have money right now for a therapist psychiatrist I am hoping to come into some money here before too long but right now I have no money for counseling or nothing whether it's OCD a demon or malfunction in the brain needless to say life is hard living with it especially when I drive at night I can feel demons spirits as if they're coming against I can feel things in my body and I feel nothing but blasphemy the thoughts are one thing but when you feel blasphemy it drives you insane to try and to convince myself that I do not want these thoughts that these feelings that feel as if I hate God hate the Holy Ghost and enjoy cursing him to try to convince myself they're not mine is impossible I have to sit and just deal with it!!! It's it's bottom so bad if almost blacked out a number of times. I not only see hell
but I can feel it so real.allso I have intrusive speech to which I can't convince myself I don't want to say these things........ I have totally become a different person spiritually or so it seems as I look in the mirror I don't know what to do yes you can try to just ignore it and go on with life pay it no mind easier said than done when it's constantly coming against you 24/7