Womens roles in the church

To all:

As I speak of the order in churches for women. I could also address the order for men and today this is hindered as well. It is not just the women that are hindered from prophecy or revelation and testimony with spiritual songs and prayers, but also the men as well. Today all sit and face forward looking at the back of each others heads toward the exalted man on a thing called the altar, where everyone else is quenched and bound up under his control over all by his so called sermon and order.

Both men and women are quenched and sit in silence in meeting were none can freely minister as God leads them.

This is a big problem and the entire church is not functioning as the church should when they gather. All are forced to silence from the beginning to the end of man made programs and spirit quenching dry order. Many are not aware of the freedoms and commands of the Lord for body ministry.

1 Cor 14:26-38, 1 Peter 4:10,11, Colossians 3:16, Ephesians 4:10-16, 1thess 5:11, Romans 12:1-8, 1 Cor 12:7-and on,

bekkilyn said:

What I don't believe is your false and harmful interpretations.

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Just saying such words means nothing unless you show me by scripture and sound reason where I have given any false or harmful interpretations.

God is watching all our talk, take heed.

I eagerly await any discussion of such false interpretations or harmful words that I have taught here.

bekkilyn said:

No, you're not looking for discussion at all. You're just trying to misuse scripture to force your own harmful view onto people in the name of God. You claim that your *personal* interpretation is truth and yet can provide no citations directly from God himself to that effect and yet you ask people (women in particular) to accept slave status and open themselves to abuse from their "superiors", which is contradictory to practically EVERYTHING that Jesus Christ taught and is contrary to the gospel message.

And now you are attempting to use God to threaten those of us who disagree with you, as if we have anything at all to fear from a Father who very deeply and sincerely loves us beyond all measure.

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Again you give no specifics of any error I have written. I use scripture to strengthen what I say.

And I do invite discussion in here this is how the errors of today’s confusion can be exposed by scripture.

Again I still wait for you to show me one verse or comment I have made that is misused or in error.

Still waiting....

Just mud slinging does nothing

bekkilyn said:

No, you're not looking for discussion at all. You're just trying to misuse scripture to force your own harmful view onto people in the name of God. You claim that your *personal* interpretation is truth and yet can provide no citations directly from God himself to that effect and yet you ask people (women in particular) to accept slave status and open themselves to abuse from their "superiors", which is contradictory to practically EVERYTHING that Jesus Christ taught and is contrary to the gospel message.

And now you are attempting to use God to threaten those of us who disagree with you, as if we have anything at all to fear from a Father who very deeply and sincerely loves us beyond all measure.

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And I gave you many many words directly from God through scripture .

bekkilyn said:

Which means absolutely nothing as they were not citations from God himself directly to you personally confirming to everyone your claim to being his sole prophet of truth. And then you propose interpretations that are contrary to the gospel message which can be neatly summed up by John 3:16-17 and John 13:34. If your interpretations fail this "love test" and are contradictory to it, then they are not from God.

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I give you direct quotes from God to you with no interpretation here and let’s see if they are not clear to the unbiased reader.

1 Corinthians 14:33. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.36. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”

bekkilyn said:

Which means absolutely nothing as they were not citations from God himself directly to you personally confirming to everyone your claim to being his sole prophet of truth. And then you propose interpretations that are contrary to the gospel message which can be neatly summed up by John 3:16-17 and John 13:34. If your interpretations fail this "love test" and are contradictory to it, then they are not from God.

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I do not claim to be “the sole prophet of truth”. Your words here will also be seen by God. And yes the eyes of the Lord are in every place and we shall all give an account and every word is known.

Whom Jesus loves he rebuked and chastens. And He said, if we love him we keep his commandments and we read of some of his commandments in 1 Cor 14 and they also relate to women

bekkilyn said:

And now you are attempting to use God to threaten those of us who disagree with you, as if we have anything at all to fear from a Father who very deeply and sincerely loves us beyond all measure.

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Do you not believe that the eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the good and the evil?

And that every idle word spoken will be accounted for?

bekkilyn said:

And yet there is no need to fear.
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Wrong again, consider the words of truth,

Ephesians 5:21. Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.22. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.”

Philippians 2:12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

1 Peter 1:17. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:”

Hebrews 10:31. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

1 Peter 2:17. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.”

Etc etc

bekkilyn said:

I would guess you're a huge fan of Jonathan Edwards too.

Again, the way you have cherry-picked verses is contrary to the gospel message. John 3:17. When scripture uses the word "fear", it typically means a form of respect, in a similar sense of how we respect the power and awesomeness of the ocean, but in a more awe-inspiring way. How magnificent He is!

God loves us unconditionally and has not created an abusive relationship with us. He's not out to deceive us or condemn us. That's the signature work of the enemy.

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I rightly divided the word of truth as I have sought to do for about 30 years.

Also the word fear means, (in Greek)

“from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear); alarm or fright:--be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror.“(Strong’s)

So again you are in error.

And you use the word “respect”

Again you error, consider,

James 2:1. My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”(from THE Bible, The King James Bible)

And

James 2:8. If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:9. But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.”

bekkilyn said:

I would guess you're a huge fan of Jonathan Edwards too.

Again, the way you have cherry-picked verses is contrary to the gospel message. John 3:17. When scripture uses the word "fear", it typically means a form of respect, in a similar sense of how we respect the power and awesomeness of the ocean, but in a more awe-inspiring way. How magnificent He is!

God loves us unconditionally and has not created an abusive relationship with us. He's not out to deceive us or condemn us. That's the signature work of the enemy.

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And the gospel is this,

1 Corinthians 15:1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5.”