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What do you mean?Abortion has never been a religious issue.
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What do you mean?Abortion has never been a religious issue.
I’m interested in who is advising some of these political candidates on matters pertaining to the Christian Faith.Just one more example in the growing trend of people who are not Christian (or at least not living by any semblance of Christian principles) telling Christians what it means to be a Christian.
Is Kirsten Gillibrand's theology correct?
Flanked by abortion rights advocated at the Georgia state house Thursday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said that laws banning or restricting abortion are "against Christian faith."
"If you are a person of the Christian faith, one of the tenants of our faith is free will. One of the tenants of our democracy is that we have a separation of church and state, and under no circumstances are we supposed to be imposing our faith on other people. And I think this is an example of that effort," she said at a press conference.
Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are "against Christian faith" - CBS News
Yes that's quite interesting isn't it.If free will is a tenant of Christian faith and we are not supposed to be imposing our Christian faith on a secular country then why is she imposing free will on other people?
Right. You should have the free will to stab me in the face if you so choose to do so. Gillibrand's answer would be "well there are laws which punish 'face stabbing.' To which one could ask 'well if there were laws protecting human life in the womb from premeditated termination, then we would have to follow that too.' Of course the answer would most likely be 'well that's why I'm running so we can keep that "legal".'what about all the other laws? are they counter-free will/counter-Christian too?
Wow what an ignorant statement, "...one of the tenants of our faith is free will." That's meaningless. I mean yes, duh, 'free will' is key to human choice'. But that's the whole point, because of free will we can make right choices or wrong choices, meaning we can sin. One of the most important tenants of our faith is that we can abuse free will. And she has.Is Kirsten Gillibrand's theology correct?
Flanked by abortion rights advocated at the Georgia state house Thursday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said that laws banning or restricting abortion are "against Christian faith."
"If you are a person of the Christian faith, one of the tenants of our faith is free will. One of the tenants of our democracy is that we have a separation of church and state, and under no circumstances are we supposed to be imposing our faith on other people. And I think this is an example of that effort," she said at a press conference.
Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are "against Christian faith" - CBS News
Nowhere in the US Constitution is there or has there ever been a law of "Separation of Church and State". This has become an out of control belief based out of nothing.Is Kirsten Gillibrand's theology correct?
Flanked by abortion rights advocated at the Georgia state house Thursday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said that laws banning or restricting abortion are "against Christian faith."
"If you are a person of the Christian faith, one of the tenants of our faith is free will. One of the tenants of our democracy is that we have a separation of church and state, and under no circumstances are we supposed to be imposing our faith on other people. And I think this is an example of that effort," she said at a press conference.
Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are "against Christian faith" - CBS News
a collapse of society would seem to be the logical end to Gillibrand's straw manRight. You should have the free will to stab me in the face if you so choose to do so. Gillibrand's answer would be "well there are laws which punish 'face stabbing.' To which one could ask 'well if there were laws protecting human life in the womb from premeditated termination, then we would have to follow that too.' Of course the answer would most likely be 'well that's why I'm running so we can keep that "legal".'
Is Kirsten Gillibrand's theology correct?
Flanked by abortion rights advocated at the Georgia state house Thursday, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said that laws banning or restricting abortion are "against Christian faith."
"If you are a person of the Christian faith, one of the tenants of our faith is free will. One of the tenants of our democracy is that we have a separation of church and state, and under no circumstances are we supposed to be imposing our faith on other people. And I think this is an example of that effort," she said at a press conference.
Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are "against Christian faith" - CBS News
Wow was thinking the same.Put that general argument in the mouth of the serpent and doesn't it sound pretty familiar.
Yes. It hearkens back to the French Revolution, which was based on the secular Enlightenment. Man is perfectible, and only needs a benign environment to achieve perfection. That revolution started out with a few brief months of euphoria, then quickly descended into the infamous Reign of Terror, the lawlessness and chaos of which led directly to Bonapartism and massive war.I mean yes, duh, 'free will' is key to human choice'. But that's the whole point, because of free will we can make right choices or wrong choices, meaning we can sin. One of the most important tenants of our faith is that we can abuse free will. And she has.
Just one more example in the growing trend of people who are not Christian (or at least not living by any semblance of Christian principles) telling Christians what it means to be a Christian.
The "Christian faith" is nowhere near as one-dimensional and unilateral as evangelicals would like it to be. There are very progressive denominations, such as the United Church of Christ (of which the Obamas are members), Unitarians, Presbyterians, Episcopals, evangelical Lutherans, others.
Looking online, I've read she and her husband, a venture capitalist, got married in a Catholic Church, but her religion is listed as "Christian..." (If I had to decide which of the Gillibrands were less "Catholic," the pro-choice Kristen or her venture capitalist husband, I would probably go with the husband. While venture capitalists sometimes finance worthwhile projects, they are more involved with buying companies, laying off thousands, cutting the companies up into little pieces (after having borrowed from them to do it somewhere else), and bankrupting the original purchase. Really bad stuff.)
While I disagree with her interpretation of "free will," because that doesn't condone anarchy, I understand that some of the more progressive denominations interpret morality differently. But before you condemn them completely, remember that they are often champions of social justice who are very in tune with the gospel message of Jesus.
Hence the, "or at least not living by any semblance of Christian principals" part of the statement.