Dispensationalism Refuted

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I don't quote Galatians 6:14-16 for either of those beliefs.
In that passage, Paul teaches how we Christians are a new person in Christ and all who follow in this Way, peace and mercy be upon them; the Israel of God.

Your perspective is from one who must have a physical Israel, namely the Jewish State of Israel, on earth while you go to heaven in a 'rapture'.
This theory is far removed from God's actual Plan for His people in the end times.

The Israel we know today is prophesied many times in the Bible to face the Lord's wrath for their sins and only a remnant will survive. It will be the true Israel of God, who will receive the Blessings promised to His faithful people and to whom the surviving Jews will acknowledge as His beloved people. Revelation 3:9

My perspective?

No.

When we die, we dwell with Jesus. That is my perspective. Jesus is in Heaven and that’s where Heavenly Jerusalem is.

There’s now, even literally a Jerusalem in bondage here on earth.

As for when “The Day of the Lord is”... I tend to be more Amillennial In my understanding...

So... not sure who you have me mixed up with. I even explained this on the Amillennial thread and again on my Romans 10 Exegesis... though I fully admit Amillennial and PreMillenial are fair stances that should be given equal respect.

Forgive my snippyness, but I don’t like being misrepresented.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.
 
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So you don't think Jesus is in the third heaven where God's throne is?
Your mistake, Douggg. John 14:1-2 does not say anyone goes to heaven.
That prophecy is about the New Jerusalem, that comes to the earth after the Millennium.
Jesus is, of course in heaven now, we await His Return as we are told in Acts 1:11
But first He will come in fire and destroy His enemies; the Sixth Seal event. As 2 Peter 3:7 informs us. The New Earth as per 2 Peter 3:10, comes just before the New Jerusalem.

Why do I have to explain these things time after time to you?
 
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When we die, we dwell with Jesus. That is my perspective. Jesus is in Heaven and that’s where Heavenly Jerusalem is.
Thank you GD.
I and the Bible disagree with your belief above.
But these things are not Salvation issues. What I constantly remind people to do when things get tough, is to stand firm in their faith and look to the Lord for our protection.
 
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Thank you GD.
I and the Bible disagree with your belief above.
But these things are not Salvation issues. What I constantly remind people to do when things get tough, is to stand firm in their faith and look to the Lord for our protection.

Amen! I Love you with the Love of a sibling in Christ and happily agree to disagree with you, yet know we both remain Steadfast in Him, through Faith, in the Same Blood that He shed and saves us.
 
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Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the surface of the ground, except that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob,"declares the LORD."For behold, I will command, and shake the house of Israel among all the nations as one shakes with a sieve, but no pebble shall fall to the earth. Amos 9:8-9
You know not of what you speak.
The truth of the matter is you know not how to follow the passage! Amos 9:1-10 is of the judgement which is coming upon Israel. Which will be at the hands of Assyria. God is about to judge the entire region and Israel's dispersion.

Amos 9:11-15 is concerning the restoration as well as the gospel going to the Gentiles. This is the point the apostle James was making in Acts 15. James is interpreting the very passage in Amos I quoted, as well as the inclusion of the Gentiles into Israel.

All of the Jerusalem counsel agreed with Peter and James. I'll listen to James and Peter over your thoughts on this every time!
 
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Your mistake, Douggg. John 14:1-2 does not say anyone goes to heaven.
That prophecy is about the New Jerusalem, that comes to the earth after the Millennium.
Jesus is, of course in heaven now, we await His Return as we are told in Acts 1:11
But first He will come in fire and destroy His enemies; the Sixth Seal event. As 2 Peter 3:7 informs us. The New Earth as per 2 Peter 3:10, comes just before the New Jerusalem.

Why do I have to explain these things time after time to you?
No, John 14:1-3 is not about the New Jerusalem coming down. It is about the rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians 4:15-18, believers going up, to meet Jesus in the air.

Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection before the thousand years begin. At the end of the thousand years, is the Great White Throne Judgment, followed by the new (second) heaven, new earth and New Jerusalem.

You are a thousand years off in your thinking.
 
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No, John 14:1-3 is not about the New Jerusalem coming down. It is about the rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians 4:15-18, believers going up, to meet Jesus in the air.

Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection before the thousand years begin. At the end of the thousand years, is the Great White Throne Judgment, followed by the new (second) heaven, new earth and New Jerusalem.

You are a thousand years off in your thinking.
Why do you not read other peoples post properly?
I DO say the New Jerusalem comes down after the Millennium.
But what I refute is the 'rapture to heaven', or a resurrection of anyone other than the Tribulation martyrs, Revelation 20:4, at Jesus' Return.
 
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Why do you not read other peoples post properly?
I DO say the New Jerusalem comes down after the Millennium.

I read what you wrote. You are claiming that John 14:1-3 is referring to the New Jerusalem which takes place after the Millennium.

But John 14:1-3 is not referring to bringing the New Jerusalem down to earth in the text. It is Jesus coming for believers. Which is what 1Thesslonians4:15-18 is about the same.

But what I refute is the 'rapture to heaven', or a resurrection of anyone other than the Tribulation martyrs, Revelation 20:4, at Jesus' Return.
Doesn't work. The rapture involves translation of the living. Revelation 20:4 is a resurrection, and is specified to the Tribulation martyrs - no rapture.

The rapture and resurrection of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 is for the living and them who have died in Christ. Everyone in Christ up to that point in time, whenever it takes place.
 
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