Does sinful man deserve God’s justice?

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It's not heresy.
What you've stated is correct.
We all get a sufficient amount of grace to make us open to God's existence.
Jesus stands at the door and knocks....
It's up to us to open the door. Rev. 3:20

If we open the door we become a friend of God....
If we do not open the door, we remain an enemy of God and s servant to satan.

All denominations teach the above,,,,except one.

Goodness we keep on meeting at the crossroads to sleep :sleep: Nice to see you GG101
 
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Well, I’ll be honest and say that when I hear that we deserve anything good from God, I cringe. We deserve the full wrath of God. Anything apart from that is grace.
H,

Your post above is due to the fact that you have a different theology from the rest of Christianity.

But, alas, our conversation had ended already.
Because you don't really want to answer questions.
Like for instance, what's YOUR idea of free will?

If God has to make us believe in Him,,,where's our free will?

Faith is required to CAUSE regeneration.
If one already is regenerated...WHY would he need faith anymore?

There is a work of the spirit in the unsaved person..
but I don't believe the Canon of Dort or the Westminster Confession teaches that it's regeneration. I'd love to see you post something from one of those two sources,,,but of course I won't be holding my breath.
 
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How about need?

We need grace from God. If not,it appears to me I've been set up in a world where people can be condemned without any mercy from the one who made the rules?

Maybe! Unlikely though if he is kind and merciful like the Bible suggests.
Yes, we need grace. But you still painted a picture of “deserve”.
 
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You posted scripture in relation to predestined salvation. You did not answer my questions to you in the post you were responding to, which was,

Don't you believe that God predestined everyone to being saved or not saved?
If so how does this give mankind freewill if everyone is pre made to believe or not believe?

If you do not wish to answer the questions just say so.
Once again, I have never said or implied or inferred that man is pre made to believe. Stop with the straw men.
 
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Once again, I have never said or implied or inferred that man is pre made to believe. Stop with the straw men.
The question was what you believe not what you said. I am only asking for clarification because of a post and scripture you posted earlier hence all my posts to you with your claims in ROMANS 8:30.

Did you want to clarify what you believe now?

Don't you believe that God predestined everyone to being saved or not saved?
If so how does this give mankind freewill if everyone is pre made to believe or not believe?
 
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Jesus stands at the door and knocks....
It's up to us to open the door. Rev. 3:20
That was said to a specific church, not to individuals everywhere.
 
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H,

Your post above is due to the fact that you have a different theology from the rest of Christianity.

But, alas, our conversation had ended already.
Because you don't really want to answer questions.
Like for instance, what's YOUR idea of free will?

If God has to make us believe in Him,,,where's our free will?

Faith is required to CAUSE regeneration.
If one already is regenerated...WHY would he need faith anymore?

There is a work of the spirit in the unsaved person..
but I don't believe the Canon of Dort or the Westminster Confession teaches that it's regeneration. I'd love to see you post something from one of those two sources,,,but of course I won't be holding my breath.
I’m not going to respond to your goading, if that’s what you were hoping for.
 
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The question was what you believe not what you said. I am only asking for clarification because of a post and scripture you posted earlier hence all my posts. Did you want to clarify what you believe now?

Don't you believe that God predestined everyone to being saved or not saved?
If so how does this give mankind freewill if everyone is pre made to believe or not believe?
I do believe that God has predestined some to be conformed to the image of His Son. I DO NOT believe that we are pre made to believe.

Is that clear enough?
 
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That was said to a specific church, not to individuals everywhere.
A church (small c) is made up of individuals.

OR
Maybe that church was teaching incorrect doctrine, like some churches do today. Perhaps God would like correct doctrine to be taught? That particular church had a problem with works --- just like some churches today.
 
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I do believe that God has predestined some to be conformed to the image of His Son. I DO NOT believe that we are pre made to believe.

Is that clear enough?

What do you mean God has predestined some to be conformed to his image. Isnt that the same as God predestining those who will be saved and those who will not and if so what is the difference and what was your reason for posting ROMANS 8:30? Thanks just asking for clarification.
 
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I’m not going to respond to your goading, if that’s what you were hoping for.
Anything can be stamped flaming and goading.
I really don't know what I said that would respond to goading, which to me means trying to get you upset.
Which I'm not.

I do find it difficult to speak to you.
I'm sorry I started again...
It would have been interesting to see something written from those two sources I mentioned...
but OK. I'll just keep believing that one church teaches regeneration before faith.
 
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It's not heresy.
What you've stated is correct.
We all get a sufficient amount of grace to make us open to God's existence.
Jesus stands at the door and knocks....
It's up to us to open the door. Rev. 3:20

If we open the door we become a friend of God....
If we do not open the door, we remain an enemy of God and s servant to satan.

All denominations teach the above,,,,except one.


Ok good.

What is the one denomination, Calvinist/reformed people?
 
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Yes, we need grace. But you still painted a picture of “deserve”.


Yes,I stated deserve originally.

Probably not correct choice of words as deserve implies a debt and God is not in debt to us.

A need of grace is probably closer to mark, as the human heart is indifferent to our father in heaven and we need the grace period to reconcile with him.
 
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What do you mean God has predestined some to be conformed to his image. Isnt that the same as God predestining those who will be saved and those who will not and if so what is the difference and what was your reason for posting ROMANS 8:30? Thanks just asking for clarification.
It’s the same. But what I DO NOT believe is that we are pre made to believe
 
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Anything can be stamped flaming and goading.
I really don't know what I said that would respond to goading, which to me means trying to get you upset.
Which I'm not.

I do find it difficult to speak to you.
I'm sorry I started again...
It would have been interesting to see something written from those two sources I mentioned...
but OK. I'll just keep believing that one church teaches regeneration before faith.
I never said you were trying to get me upset.
 
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Do they all understand the bible the same way?
I get different versions of verses AND theories.

Plus, I might be asking for a reason....
Realize that Yahweh says in His Word that the whole world is under a death sentence.
What few people understand is also written. (no surprise).

Whatever reason for asking, always , in everything, seek the truth and keep seeking the truth. God's Promise is the same to ALL who do keep seeking the truth - He will grant them the truth, and the truth will set them free.
 
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The bible says that we are each responsible for our own sin.... HOW do you reconcile that if we're under the threat of death because of a sin WE DID NOT commit?
No problem. No contradiction either - as read in the Bible.

Everyone is born dead in trespasses and sin.

They all remain dead in sin,

except the few who get redeemed.

Perfect Plan.

Perfect Purpose.

Perfect Way.
 
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Doesn't the gospel have any law in it?
Jesus told the Apostles in the Great Commision (Mathew 28) to go and baptize and preach and teach.

WHAT were they supposed to teach?
Why all the confusion in the world ?

Because of selfishness, perfersion, perfidiousness, wickedness growing daily, worldwide deception,
pernicious society (death dealing society),
and so on.

The Apostles all taught what they were taught and trained to teach, making disciples as Jesus told them to.
 
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You are going to continue to proclaim “Do”. I’m going to keep proclaiming “Done”. You will preach the law. I will preach the gospel.

Well that statement has no truth in it. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. Why are you pretending I am saying things I am not? How can you separate God's LAW from the Gospel when it is the LAW that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25?

WHO IS Jesus family ? Whoever HEARS the Word of the Father, and DOES IT - they are My family.

Those who are hearers only, and not DOERS, are not justified.
 
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No problem. No contradiction either - as read in the Bible.

Everyone is born dead in trespasses and sin.

They all remain dead in sin,

except the few who get redeemed.

Perfect Plan.

Perfect Purpose.

Perfect Way.
How do the few get redeemed?
 
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