I was using 50 years because the data-set from the Global Terrorism Database only goes back to 1970. You can go back further into the history of terrorism from other sources and also learn that pre-1970 Islamic related terrorism has historically been low.
This is why I am questioning your intellectual integrity. If you do not have sufficient data then you should not use them in an attempt to represent the whole truth.
Note I have listed to you the lists of massacres by Muslim terrorists since 1400 years ago to the present.
Low? How low is 'low'.
Note we agreed even one act of evil and violent must be addressed to determine its root cause.
Since 1400 years ago, at the most conservative there had been thousands [my est is millions] and millions of non-Muslims had been killed.
What is critical is not so much of how many or how low the numbers are, rather is the perennial underlying ethos of the evil ideology underlying Islam that will inspire the zealous to commit evil and violence on non-Muslims.
Did you read any of the book that this 80 million number comes from? 80 million is a high estimate and is based on census data. It also includes deaths of all kinds like accidents, disease, famine, etc.. No where close to that many people were killed as a direct result of Islamic occupation. Most of those people during that period would have probably died anyway. Most importantly, the exact same conditions were found in nations that were under Christian and other imperialist occupation. There were battles, massacres, genocide, villages purged, mass rapes, and enslavement of the native populations. What happened in India happened in many other parts of the world, in some cases even worse. Singling out an Islamic colonial regime in an effort to try and show Islam promotes violence is not using a fair measure of judgement.
I am relying the credibility of the 80 million as very possible over 1000 years, i.e. 80,000 per year.
This is based on the list of massacres by Muslims I have listed plus the many unrecorded deaths over that 1000+ years.
I have to say your intelligence and critical thinking is very wanting. I have stated many times, don't keep bringing in killings and violence by others which is off topic and nevertheless these evil and violent must be addressed without exceptions.
You obviously didn't go to the link I suggested. There are many supporting verses along with excerpts from the hadiths along with scholarly commentary.
I had a glance but did not see any.
Why don't you provide me the direct evidence instead of asking me to search needles from the haystack.
Isn't that exactly what you are doing? You are cherry picking the same verses that have been singled out of the Qur'an by Islamic terrorists to justify their actions. These are the exact same verses that anti-Islamic propagandists have been using to try and sow discord and create division between Muslims and non-Muslims since 9/11. The only difference is that the overwhelming consensus among religious scholars from all backgrounds, Islamic scholars, and Muslims in general is that your position is incorrect.
I may have mentioned specific verses in certain conditions but my approach is always thematic and in context of the whole Quran. Note my reference to the 3400++ verses as 55% of all the 6236 verses of the Quran.
Note the majority's view do not always represent the truth.
Do you understand the
ad populum fallacy via reliance of the majority? It appear you are not a critical thinker and lack logical skills. Rather your views are very emotional and psychological, thus very subjective.
Have you done comparative research on the Bible on how many violent verses there are towards non-believers, how many times their destruction was ordered, and how many times they are condemned?
Not personally, but I have read someone's research who concluded there are more evil and violent elements in the Bible [esp OT] than in the Quran.
However I have argued Christianity has capped off the evil and violent elements with an
overriding pacifist maxim of love all, even one's enemies. Note 'overriding' I presume you understand what that means since English is your mother tongue [not mine].
I have also argued with evidence, there is nothing in the Quran to override all the evil and violent elements. Instead Muslims are exhorted to kill non-Muslims under vague conditions and this influence SOME [pool of 300 million] to go on to commit evil and violence on non-Muslims.
Have you ever read any objective academic studies that have compared the Bible to the Qur'an?
Yes, note my explanation above.
Do you honestly believe that a man like Bill Warner, who has said the American flag offends Allah and Americans offend Allah, that we will either defeat Islam or we will cease to exist as a nation, and has asked why do we keep immigration as an open door into our country with regard to Muslims, is capable of producing an unbiased and objective report?
Yes.
Note I am NOT believing and relying on Warner by
faith.
I did my own objective research and we happen to reach the same conclusion.
Those verses above are very similar to verses found in the Bible about unbelievers.
Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help. (Qur'an 1:1)
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. (Qur'an 2:6)
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. (John 12:48)
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving... their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
And about the unbelieving Jews:
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan” (Revelation 2:9)
God’s judgment against non-believers in the Bible is no different than what is found in the Qur'an. God will destroy "every ruler and every authority and power” (1 Corinthians 15:24). Here is what the Bible says Jesus is going to do when He returns: "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might" (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9) In the Parable of the Ten Minas, most likely referring to the second coming of Christ, the ruler calls for those who do not want him to reign over them to be brought forward and slaughtered in his presence. (Luke 19:27)
I have acknowledge there are evil and violent elements in the Quran.
As argued above and worth repeating;
However I have argued Christianity has capped off the evil and violent elements with an overriding pacifist maxim of love all, even one's enemies. Note 'overriding' I presume you understand what that means since English is your mother tongue [not mine].
I have also argued with evidence, there is nothing in the Quran to override all the evil and violent elements. Instead Muslims are exhorted to kill non-Muslims under vague conditions and this influence SOME [pool of 300 million] to go on to commit evil and violence on non-Muslims.
Also, just like God in the Bible, Allah/God in the Qur'an is forgiving to those who repent of unbelief.
This is not a relevant point to the OP.
In any case, it is obvious and objective, Allah will surely favor those who convert to be Muslim.
But Christ went much far ahead in loving enemies and commanding Christians to love even their enemies. There is no such comparison in Islam.
Keep in mind that much of what is written in the Qur'an comes from the teachings of Judaism and Christianity. Muhammad borrowed much of what he wrote from what he had heard from Christians and Jews during his travels.
I am well aware of the above from my research.
30% of the 6236 verses in the Quran are stories plagiarised from the OT and NT.
Also many of the good moral and ethics are plagiarized from the Bible and other sources.
Re other sources, not only that Muhammad et al plagiarized ideas from others but made stupid conclusions from these half-baked truths, e.g. the Sun set in Muddy waters, sperm is somewhere between the ribs and pelvic bone, etc.
How many Muslims have you personally met in your lifetime have shown any sign of hatred towards you because you are not a Muslim?
This is irrelevant and bad logic re ad populum fallacy.
I have argued what is critical is the underlying ethos of evil and violence within the ideology of Islam that will influence the zealous critical minority. Note Pareto's 80/20. You understand this Pareto's principles?
The lecturer is Dr. David Shenk. He has a PhD in Religious Studies from New York University and teaches courses in Islam and Eastern Religions. He was born in Tanzania. Lived for ten years in Somalia and lectured in comparative religion and church history at Kenyatta University, Nairobi, Kenya for six years and has spent time several other Islamic countries. I'm pretty sure he knows a lot more about Islam than Bill Warner.
You will have to enroll in the course to get access to the material. Below are some of the resources you will have access to and a course outline:
Textbook #1: A Muslim and A Christian in Dialogue
Textbook #2 for the course: Journeys
Encyclopedia Of Islam.pdf
Concise Encyclopedia Islam.pdf
The New Cambridge History of Islam Volume 1
STUDY WEEK 1
Early Theological Formation in the Arabian Background
VIDEO 3.1.The Christian Context.
VIDEO 3.2. The Jewish Context.
VIDEO 3.3. The Jahiliyya and the Hanif Contexts.
STUDY WEEK 2
VIDEO 4.1. The Muslim Community (Ummah). Part 1.
VIDEO 4.2. The Muslim Community (Ummah). Part 2.
STUDY WEEK 3
Muslim Theology and Praxis
VIDEO 5.1. The Five Pillars of Muslim Theology (Iman).
VIDEO 5.2. Presenting the Gospel to Muslim.
VIDEO 5.3. The Five Pillars of Muslim Praxis (Ihsan).
VIDEO 5.4. The Mission of Islam to the World
STUDY WEEK 4
VIDEO 6. Adam and Eve
VIDEO 7. Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac
STUDY WEEK 5
VIDEO 8.1. The Qur'an and Jesus.
VIDEO 8.2. The Qur'an and Muhammad.
VIDEO 8.3. Is Muhammad the Seal of the Prophets?
STUDY WEEK 6
VIDEO 9.1. Understanding the Qur'an.
VIDEO 9.2. The Arabic Qur'an.
STUDY WEEK 7
VIDEO 10.1. Tanzil and Incarnation. Part 1.
VIDEO 10.2. Tanzil and Incarnation. Part 2.
STUDY WEEK 8
VIDEO 11.2 Migration of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina.
VIDEO 11.2. Jesus's Journey to the Cross.
VIDEO 11.3. The Significance of the Cross.
STUDY WEEK 9
VIDEO 12.1. The Muslim Ummah in Medina.
VIDEO 12.2. The Church in Jerusalem.
VIDEO 13. Tawhid and Trinity
STUDY WEEK 10
VIDEO 14. The Hajj and the Eucharist.
VIDEO 15.1. Shari'a is Muslim Law. Part 1.
VIDEO 15.2. Shari'a is Muslim Law. Part 2.
STUDY WEEK 11
VIDEO 16. The Shi'a or Shi'ite Muslims.
VIDEO 17. Sufi Mystics.
VIDEO 18. Folk and Secularist Islam
STUDY WEEK 12
VIDEO 19. Principles for Ministry Among Muslims
VIDEO 20. An Open Door (Revelation 3:7-12)
There's a lot of information there and the course will take you several weeks to complete. It took me a little over two months because of my work schedule. I always recommend this class to Christians who are looking into witnessing to Muslims. It covers a lot of topics and is a very good introductory course on Islam, it's teachings, and what Muslims believe.
Having read of many Muslim apologists, it is noted they are not objective in the presentation.
It would be very stupid of me to waste my time taking
Dr. David Shenk's course.
Note I have stated many times, I am doing my own detailed research into the Quran and Islam on an objective basis.
I am suggesting you do your own research especially in understanding Islam.
No, what they do is read the surrounding text which clearly shows their a strict limits as to when violence can be used and who it can be used against.
There are verses and surrounding texts that have limits but in the whole contexts of the Quran and Islam, the prevailing ethos is the killing and oppression of non-Muslims under certain vague conditions.
I have spent more than three decades doing this. My conclusions are based on countless hours of coursework in Islamic Studies, my own reading of Islamic texts, spending more than nine years of my life living among Muslims in different parts of the world. My conclusions have been reached based on my own experiences and observations.
You may have spent years with exposure to Islam and Muslims but I don't see you have used the objective approach.
Note I listed a sample of 15 [out of 3400++ or 55%] verses of evil and violent elements from the Quran.
Your approach is so immature on critical and logical thinking by deflecting it with the evil and violent elements in the Bible. I have countered you on this, i.e. you cannot compare on this basis.
I had suggested you suspend whatever your current judgment and scrutinize the 3400++ evil and violent [nb: of
various degrees] elements in the Quran, given there is no overriding maxim to neutralize and cap these evil and violent elements.