Luke 19:43 and Luke 21:20 "Jerusalem surrounded and siege work" 70ad?

LittleLambofJesus · May 18, 2019

Are Luke 19:43 and Luke 21:20 both talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70ad?

Luke 19:
41And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments on Her,
42 saying, "That if Thou-knew, and Thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward peace of Thee, now yet it was Hid from thy eyes.
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and thy enemies shall be casting up a siege-work/circumvallation<5482 to Thee,
and shall be encompassing thee, and pressing thee every which place.
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,
stead which not Thou knew the time of Thy visitation".

Luke 21:20
Whenever yet may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded by war-troops,
then be knowing that come nigh desolating<2050> of Her

5482.rom charasso (to sharpen to a point; akin to 1125 through the idea of scratching);
a stake, i.e. (by implication) a palisade or rampart (military mound for circumvallation in a siege):--trench

Circumvallation: How the Romans Mastered Surrounding Towns To Conquer Populations

Circumvallation was the Roman practice of surrounding a settlement with a ring of defensive siege works. Unlike the blockade camp, its predecessor and easier alternative, circumvallation created a complete encirclement, giving those surrounded no way in or out.

Such a system had distinct advantages. Those besieged could only escape by breaking through the Roman lines so they would have to fight even to send out a message for help. No supplies could leave or enter. No reinforcements could be brought in. Scouts could not sneak around the Roman lines to assess their deployment and look for weaknesses.

Circumvallation was a complex undertaking, one which took not only the Romans’ famed engineering skills but also a lot of resources.

There are reports the Romans used circumvallation against cities near them as early as the 7th and 5th centuries BC. However, these accounts are isolated and potentially unreliable. Written long after the events in question, they may reflect later writers projecting practices of their time back into the past.
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LittleLambofJesus · May 18, 2019

5482.rom charasso (to sharpen to a point; akin to 1125 through the idea of scratching);
a stake, i.e. (by implication) a palisade or rampart (military mound for circumvallation in a siege):--trench

Luke 19:43
That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and thy enemies shall be casting up a siege-work/circumvallation<5482> to Thee,
and shall be encompassing thee, and pressing thee every which place.

I will show some OTverses concerning both Israelites and Foreign Nations using siege works.

6696 tsuwr tsoor a primitive root;
to cramp, i.e. confine (in many applications, literally and figuratively, formative or hostile):--adversary, assault, beset, besiege, bind (up), cast, distress, fashion, fortify, inclose, lay siege, put up in bags.
H6696 צוּר (tsuwr), occurs 38 times in 38 verses

Deut 20
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege<6696> to that city.
19 “When you besiege a city for a long time, while making war against it to take it, you shall not destroy its trees by wielding an ax against them; if you can eat of them, do not cut them down to use in the siege, for the tree of the field is man's food.
20 However, you may cut down trees that you know are not fruit trees and use them to build siege works until the city at war with you falls.

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Brian Mcnamee · May 19, 2019

HI these two passages are about 70AD but God is not done with Jerusalem in prophecy by a long shot. If you look at the description of the 2nd coming Jerusalem is being overrun in Zech 14 then the LORD comes with His saints and the MT of Olives splits in two. The enemies are melted that day and it is the day the LORD is king over all the earth. At the end of the millennium when Satan is loosed he gathers an army and surrounds the city then fire comes down from heaven and that is it. Some people think that Israel is church now and look to these event of 70AD to when we took their place. If you think about the coming 7 year tribulation Jesus gave another warning about the abomination of desolation in Mathew and Mark.
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[fn] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. This abomination is directly linked to the 2nd coming of the LORD. This passage is referring to the time of the abomination of desolation and is just a couple verses later in the same chapter. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

LittleLambofJesus · May 19, 2019

Brian Mcnamee said:
HI these two passages are about 70AD but God is not done with Jerusalem in prophecy by a long shot. If you look at the description of the 2nd coming Jerusalem is being overrun in Zech 14 then the LORD comes with His saints and the MT of Olives splits in two. The enemies are melted that day and it is the day the LORD is king over all the earth. At the end of the millennium when Satan is loosed he gathers an army and surrounds the city then fire comes down from heaven and that is it. Some people think that Israel is church now and look to these event of 70AD to when we took their place. If you think about the coming 7 year tribulation Jesus gave another warning about the abomination of desolation in Mathew and Mark.
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Good post and I, and many other Christians agree those 2 verses are talking about 70 ad. Luke 21:20 is part of the Olivet Discourse concerning 1st century Jerusalem and it's Temple.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus going out of the Temple
Mark 13:1
And of His going out<1607> of the Temple
Luke 21:5
and of some saying concerning the Temple

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell us! when these shall be being?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.

Luke 21
7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?

nolidad · May 20, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Good post and I, and many other Christians agree those 2 verses are talking about 70 ad. Luke 21:20 is part of the Olivet Discourse concerning 1st century Jerusalem and it's Temple.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus going out of the Temple
Mark 13:1
And of His going out<1607> of the Temple
Luke 21:5
and of some saying concerning the Temple

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell us! when these shall be being?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.

Luke 21
7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?

Correct!

Teh disciples asked Jesus three specific questions.

1. When will Jerusalem be destroyed
2. What would be the sign of His return
3. When would the end of the age (pre millenial earth_) take place.

Rubiks · May 20, 2019

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parousia70 · May 20, 2019

nolidad said:
Correct!

Teh disciples asked Jesus three specific questions.

1. When will Jerusalem be destroyed
2. What would be the sign of His return
3. When would the end of the age (pre millenial earth_) take place.

Did Jesus ever answer their question #1?

nolidad · May 20, 2019

parousia70 said:
Did Jesus ever answer their question #1?

Yes in Luke 21:
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The believing Jews took heed to this and fled to Pella in Jordan and it is said not one Christian/Jewish believer lost their life. While over 1.1 million unbelieveing Jews died!

Remember after the leaders of Israel rejected Jesus' Messhiahship on the basis He was demon possessed, in Matt. 12- He told them they would be far worse off! and they were!

IN Matt. 21 He told them the kingdom would be taken from them. For after Matt. 12 , no more was the gospel of the kingdom preached!

parousia70 · May 20, 2019

nolidad said:
Yes in Luke 21:

But They only ask 2 questions in Luke 21...

7 And they asked him, saying, Teacher, when therefore shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign when these things are about to come to pass?

Which of the two do you say Jesus answers in the following verses??
And how many events do you say the apostles' were asking about when they asked about the timing and signs of "these things"?
What things?

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Is that not entirely parallel to this?:

Matthew 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Are not these two parallel passages describing the very same event? The very same "When you see", the same "desolation", the same time to "then flee to the mountains" during the same "Those Days" that bring woe to pregnant and nursing women?

The believing Jews took heed to this and fled to Pella in Jordan and it is said not one Christian/Jewish believer lost their life. While over 1.1 million unbelieveing Jews died!

Indeed.

IN Matt. 21 He told them the kingdom would be taken from them.

Indeed He did. And I gather you believe it was?

In Matthew 21 He told them it would be taken from them at "the Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" to "miserably destroy those wicked men".

Do You say that is past?

nolidad · May 20, 2019

parousia70 said:
But They only ask 2 questions in Luke 21...

7 And they asked him, saying, Teacher, when therefore shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign when these things are about to come to pass?

Which of the two do you say Jesus answers in the following verses??
And how many events do you say the apostles' were asking about when they asked about the timing and signs of "these things"?
What things?

Is that not entirely parallel to this?:

Matthew 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Are not these two parallel passages describing the very same event? The very same "When you see", the same "desolation", the same time to "then flee to the mountains" during the same "Those Days" that bring woe to pregnant and nursing women?

Indeed.

Indeed He did. And I gather you believe it was?

In Matthew 21 He told them it would be taken from them at "the Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" to "miserably destroy those wicked men".

Do You say that is past?

No the Luke passage refers to the 66-70AD Judgment while the Matthew passage refers to the 70th week of Daniel or the great Trib.

Luke has the armies surrounding Jerusalem and Matthew Jesus speaks of the abomination in the temple itself.

History shows that Christians fled to Pella and were saved. That fulfilled Luke 21. Both passages do speak of haste in leaving.

Matthew 24 speaks of the Antichrist first prophesied by Daniel! Paul reconfirmed this in
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The Luke Passage is an army that is causing desolation, the Matthew passage is a person who is desolation! Though the language is similar in describing the fleeing- when you look it is two separate events.

Matthew 21 can be interpreted 2 ways as to the parable of the vineyard.

If we are speaking of the mystery form of the kingdom which Jesus spoke in the earlier parables then it is the fulfillment in the church which was a mystery hidden in the Old but revealed in teh new!

If it refers to the actual promised kingdom Israel is to have as covenanted by God then it will be given to a future generation of Israel!

No there are three distinct questions asked. Luke has but 2 but Matthew 24 has all three. Remember that both Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are the total Oliver Discourse! They have differing parts depending on what God wished them to write!

But in Matthew 24 the three Questions are:
1. When will the Temple be destroyed (answered in Luke)
2. What will be the sign of His coming back (which are multiple signs)
3. What is the sign of the end of the world!

There is an excellent in depth book I have used to teach eschatology in bible Institute titled "Footsteps of the Messiah"

LittleLambofJesus · May 20, 2019

parousia70 said:
But They only ask 2 questions in Luke 21...

7 And they asked him, saying, Teacher, when therefore shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign when these things are about to come to pass?

Which of the two do you say Jesus answers in the following verses??
And how many events do you say the apostles' were asking about when they asked about the timing and signs of "these things"?
What things?
Is that not entirely parallel to this?:

Matthew 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Are not these two parallel passages describing the very same event? The very same "When you see", the same "desolation", the same time to "then flee to the mountains" during the same "Those Days" that bring woe to pregnant and nursing women?

The believing Jews took heed to this and fled to Pella in Jordan and it is said not one Christian/Jewish believer lost their life. While over 1.1 million unbelieveing Jews died!

Click to expand...

Indeed.

Indeed He did. And I gather you believe it was?

In Matthew 21 He told them it would be taken from them at "the Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" to "miserably destroy those wicked men".

Do You say that is past?

Have you and or others had a chance to look thru my Olivet Discourse thread?

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:1 Temple, Buildings
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:2 "stone upon stone
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:3 When shall these be?and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end of the Age?
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:4-5 For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ....
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:6 Wars rumors of Wars
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:7-8 , nation, kingdom against nation, kingdom; quaking, famines
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:9 Nation against nation--- famines, pestilences, and quaking---sorrows/trevails
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:10 Deliver up one another---brother to death
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:11, 12 False prophets.....multiplied lawlessness...love grows cold
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:13 One enduring to end shall be saved
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:14 Gospel preached, testimony to all nations----then the end
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:15 Abomination desolation....desolating of Jerusalem.
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:16 those in Judea flee
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:17, 18 Those on Housetop---in the field
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:19 "woe to those pregnant and nursing in those days"
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:20 pray flight not in winter or sabbath
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:21 great tribulation, great distress, and wrath
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:22 Days shortened for sake of elect
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 23:23-25 False christs and prophets--deceive the elect if possible
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:26 He is in the desert, in the storerooms.
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:27 Lightening flashes from east, so shall parousia of the Son of Man
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:28 Where the eagles/vultures, there the corpse/carcass/body be
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:29 Signs in sun, moon, stars, powers of heavens shaken
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:30 Son of Man coming upon cloud/s of heaven with power and much glory
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:31 Gather elect in trumpet sound from 4 winds of heaven/s
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:32 Fig tree ripe, summer is nigh
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:33 Nigh is upon doors, Kingdom of God
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:34 Not shall be passing this generation till all fulfilled
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth pass away, but not My words
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:36 Concerning day and hour, no one knows except Father
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:37-39 As in Days of Noah, thus also shall be Son of man
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:40-42 2 will be in the field, two will be grinding----1 taken, 1 left
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:43-44 Homeowner be wathchful, not knowing which hour Son of Man coming

Matthew 24:16
then those in the Judea let them be fleeing! into the mountains
Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination of the desolation<2050>, the one being declared by Daniel the prophet, standing where it is not binding, (whoever is reading let him be understanding!)
Then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains
Luke 21:21
then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains;

Matthew 24:19
Woe yet to those pregnant, and to those giving suck in those the days
Mark 13:17
Woe yet to those pregnant, and to those giving suck in those the days
Luke 21:23
Woe yet to those pregnant, and to those giving suck in those the days
for there shall be great distress on the land and wrath on this people;

Sounds like the fulfillment of Revelation 9:6?

REVELATION 9:6 'MEN WILL BE SEEKING THE DEATH, DEATH IS FLEEING FROM THEM"

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "measure of wheat a denari and three measures of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"." [denotes famine like during a siege]

Revelation 9:6
And in those the days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and they shall be desiring/yearning<1937 epithymeō> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.
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"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived.....................................

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror.....................

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy....................
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Fulfillment of Deut 28 for rebellion 66-70ad [Masada, last fortress stronghold of the Jewish Rebels taken in 73ad] :

Deu 28:52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land[Israel/Judea] the LORD your God is giving you.
53 “You shall eat the fruit of your own body, the flesh of your sons and your daughters whom the LORD your God has given you, in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you. 55 “so that he will not give any of them the flesh of his children whom he will eat, because he has nothing left in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates. 57 “her placenta which comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of everything in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.
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parousia70 · May 20, 2019

nolidad said:
No the Luke passage refers to the 66-70AD Judgment while the Matthew passage refers to the 70th week of Daniel or the great Trib.

Luke has the armies surrounding Jerusalem and Matthew Jesus speaks of the abomination in the temple itself.

And scripture teaches these are separate events separated by thousands of years... where?

History shows that Christians fled to Pella and were saved. That fulfilled Luke 21. Both passages do speak of haste in leaving....
The Luke Passage is an army that is causing desolation, the Matthew passage is a person who is desolation! Though the language is similar in describing the fleeing- when you look it is two separate events.

Before 70AD, how would a Christian who only had access to Matthew's gospel know to flee Jerusalem when He saw armies surrounding it if he believed that Jesus said he should flee when he saw the AoD, and not before?

Matthew 24 speaks of the Antichrist first prophesied by Daniel! Paul reconfirmed this in
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Things here:
1) Antichrist is never mentioned in Daniel or 2 Thess. All the scriptural teaching on antichrist is found in 1 & 2 John. Any definition of, or attribute applied to antichrist that goes outside the explicit teaching in 1 & 2 John has no biblical basis.

2) How would a future to us Temple built by modern-day Christ Rejectors qualify biblically as "the temple of God"?

Matthew 21 can be interpreted 2 ways as to the parable of the vineyard.

Why only Two, and where does scripture teach that these two interpretations are both correct?

If we are speaking of the mystery form of the kingdom which Jesus spoke in the earlier parables then it is the fulfillment in the church which was a mystery hidden in the Old but revealed in teh new!

If it refers to the actual promised kingdom Israel is to have as covenanted by God then it will be given to a future generation of Israel!

A future generation of Israel?
Who would that be? Certainly not the Current, multi-ethnic, Secular Democratic nation of Israel, no? For those people have no relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy whatsoever... not Politically, not religiously and not genetically... so, Who?
Is some "new" Genetic Hebrew populated Theocratic Nation state of Israel going to come along and replace the current, multi-ethnic, Secular, democratic one?

Jesus told the 1st century Chief Priests and Pharisees that they would be destroyed by "the Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard"

Was Jesus wrong?
I believe you agree that They were indeed destroyed, were they not? and that Jesus foretold them of their coming destruction, correct?

Was Jesus wrong to say the event that would be the vehicle by which they would suffer their destruction was rightfully known as "The coming of the Lord of the Vineyard"?

Luke 19:43 and Luke 21:20 "Jerusalem surrounded and siege work" 70ad?

Are Luke 19:43 and Luke 21:20 showing destruction of Jerusalem 70ad?

Yes

No

I don't know

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