You misread, please see where I included more than just the OT:
Na, I don't work well with twisted "Grace only" teachers, you guys have a habit of teaching your own doctrine, and we'll end up arguing the Grace only thing and never make it back to the point.
I've done it already but it takes a bit of common sense to understand, so....
Anyone who thinks God doesn't have his hand on our laws, well that's up to you...I'm certain he does. Also, I have never seen anyone tried for murder in war unless it's a war crime or huge injustice/mistake.
And you know, it takes very little of that common sense to see if we draft young men and force them into a war situation to where they have to kill or be killed, a fair God is simply not going to hold that against them as sin. And if you know of scripture that cites that exact scenario and calls it sin, please post it, If you do not have that specifically, then don't.
No I read perfectly fine, but the latter half of the statement if speaking about man isn't true as there are no armies of God on earth made up of men that kill other human beings. If speaking of angels and God himself only then God may meet out justice as he sees fit. So again, the Law of Moses is done and nowhere in the Law of Christ do we see an allowance made for men to kill.
Yes saved by grace through faith, justified by works and faith. This is true. But unlike others I can stay on topic, if you'd notice your the one who brought up salvation and not me.
I haven't seen a single verse yet under grace after Christ's death that says we may harm another human being. I've only seen you post things from under the Old testament/covenant which has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
We find in scripture that God's government is spiritual and that the Governments of this world are not his.
Every man makes the choice on their own, nobody is making them pull that trigger and take the life of another man. As John the Baptist told soldiers we are to do harm to no man. And as Paul said we are as sheep to the slaughter, and John again says that we are to love not our lives unto death, then Christ tells us one last time that all they that take up the sword shall perish with the sword which is then confirmed again in Revelation, all of these apply to this exact scenario.
Luke 3:14
14
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do?
And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
Romans 8:36
36 As it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Matthew 26:51-52
51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Revelation 12:11
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.
There are so many more than these written in the New Testament that prove that to kill or even harm another man is a sin no matter the circumstances. Love worketh no ill to it's neighbor.
Romans 13:
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Here are the rest brother, though I'm still waiting on that verse from the NT under grace that says we are allowed to kill others.
Romans 12:17-21
17
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
James 1:19-20
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak,
slow to wrath:
20
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Ephesian 4:26,31-32
26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
1 Peter 3:8-14
8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
Matthew 5:7-9
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Matthew 5:38-39
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:44
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
1 Peter 3:9 says,
9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
Ephesians 6:15 says,
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
When Paul was struck in the mouth he did not retaliate with violence,
Acts 23:2-3
2 And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth.
3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?
Christ also says we are to be as wise as a serpepnt and as harmless as a dove,
Matt 10:16
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Of course this goes against human nature. But Christ followers are to be separate and different than worldly people. They are peaceful, loving, and kind. When a man kills another man he takes not only his life but also that mans chance to repent and be saved. For all who die in sin are damned. This is why Christians can not harm or kill anyone for any reason.
Again brother there is no New Testament scripture that says we can harm another man for any reason, no not one can be found.