My LP Challenge

AV1611VET said:

Kinda, but not quite.

If I had a bicycle that I loved and called it "Red" ... if over time each part is eventually replaced -- the seat, later the handle bars, later the pedals, etc., until every single part is replaced ... is it still "Red"?

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That could be applied to Tyre.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Not technically the same. The Ship of Theseus argument is about COMPLETELY replacing all the parts of the ship and wondering if you can call it the same ship.
Human bodies regrow new cells, new hair, etc, because that's a natural thing for us.

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But how many know how long it takes (very important).

OldWiseGuy said:

But how many know how long it takes (very important).

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... why is that very important? More importantly, HOW is that very important?

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

... why is that very important? More importantly, HOW is that very important?

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It has to do with improving your health over time. If you know it's going to take a full year to replace cells that are damaged by bad habits you won't be dismayed if your progress seems slow.

OldWiseGuy said:

It has to do with improving your health over time.

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... when we're talking about a though experiment about swapping out parts of a construct and wondering if it's the same construct as it was the first time (in the Ship of Theseus experiment) or saying that an LP that's been scratched and then repaired to near pristine condition can be called pristine (as per the OP)?

Are you secretly a transhumanist? (And for the love of God, MAKE SURE YOU READ THE LINK! It's not about what you think it is)

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

... when we're talking about a though experiment about swapping out parts of a construct and wondering if it's the same construct as it was the first time (in the Ship of Theseus experiment) or saying that an LP that's been scratched and then repaired to near pristine condition can be called pristine (as per the OP)?

Are you secretly a transhumanist? (And for the love of God, MAKE SURE YOU READ THE LINK! It's not about what you think it is)

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I like the concept of improving human life. It would be nice if we could extend life through better habits instead of medical interventions.

Actually we are 'swapping out parts' in a sense as new tissue replaces old over time. If we maintain the new tissue in good health over time it may change us genetically for the better.

OldWiseGuy said:

I like the concept of improving human life. It would be nice if we could extend life through better habits instead of medical interventions.

Actually we are 'swapping out parts' in a sense as new tissue replaces old over time.

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No, we aren't. Regrowing minor cells and stuff is not the same as full on replacing a part of the body. Our is skin is still fundamentally our own skin, even if it sheds and regrows.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

No, we aren't. Regrowing minor cells and stuff is not the same as full on replacing a part of the body. Our is skin is still fundamentally our own skin, even if it sheds and regrows.

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Note the semi quotes.

If all the cells are replaced by new ones...you have a new body.

OldWiseGuy said:

If all the cells are replaced by new ones...you have a new body.

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Except they aren't. All the new cells are created in our own bodies. They are a part of us, they are not replacing anything in the way you are suggesting they are.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Except they aren't. All the new cells are created in our own bodies. They are a part of us, they are not replacing anything in the way you are suggesting they are.

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Regardless, the new cells are new.

OldWiseGuy said:

Regardless, the new cells are new.

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But they are still US. A new skin cell created in me is not created by an outside agent, it is still ME.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

But they are still US. A new skin cell created in me is not created by an outside agent, it is still ME.

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Of course. Our design provides for constantly self-renewing cells.

Why Do We Die?

"You will know the truth, and the truth will make you...crazy." -OldWiseGuy

OldWiseGuy said:

Of course. Our design provides for constantly self-renewing cells.

Why Do We Die?

"You will know the truth, and the truth will make you...crazy." -OldWiseGuy

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Lobsters are technically immortal.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Lobsters are technically immortal.

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Not the ones at Red Lobster.

AV1611VET said:

You buy an LP and bring it home and play it on your phonograph.*

It's in pristine condition, but you accidentally scratch it with the phonograph** needle.

Now every time you play it, it sounds like it's been scratched or something.

Later, the LP is restored so brilliantly, it is better than when you bought it.

Bill looks at it and says it was never scratched in the first place.

Here's my challenge:

Is Bill wrong?

* record player to baby boomers

** victrola to the silent generation

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Did Bill ever see the scratched LP? If not, why should he believe you when you say it was scratched?

AV1611VET said:

You buy an LP and bring it home and play it on your phonograph.*

It's in pristine condition, but you accidentally scratch it with the phonograph** needle.

Now every time you play it, it sounds like it's been scratched or something.

Later, the LP is restored so brilliantly, it is better than when you bought it.

Bill looks at it and says it was never scratched in the first place.

Here's my challenge:

Is Bill wrong?

* record player to baby boomers

** victrola to the silent generation

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Question: Has the LP been produced and/or restored in such a way as to make it seem that the LP is much older than it actually is?

AV1611VET said:

This has nada to do with the point I'm making.

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Why?

Your point is obviously a bit about God cleaning up the world to remove evidence of what he did (yet apparently thinking that us knowing he did it was so important he wrote it down, even though it was not important enough to leave any evidence in the real world).

Since you also claim that God has made the world look like it has been around for a lot longer than it has actually been around for, I think this is quite closely related to the point you are trying to make. Specifically, that someone is out there, making things look they've had experiences that are different to the actual experiences they've had.