Vast majority of Republicans support Bernie's and AOC's 15% cap on credit card interest

ArmenianJohn said:

What do you mean it "doesn't work"???

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The War on Drugs has savaged our society.

ArmenianJohn said:

Yeah, nobody would have addictions to crystal meth, heroin, cocaine, crack, or any other drugs if they could just buy them out of a vending machine or at 7-11. People would miraculously be able to buy and use them without any problems for themselves or for society.

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When you're ready to discuss my actual position rather then the straw man you have constructed let me know.

ArmenianJohn said:

Yeah, nobody would have addictions to crystal meth, heroin, cocaine, crack, or any other drugs if they could just buy them out of a vending machine or at 7-11. People would miraculously be able to buy and use them without any problems for themselves or for society.

Of course that's how it is in libertarian fantasy land. We all know that in the real world there's an actual good and real reason drugs are restricted to requiring a prescription.

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Pommer said:

Well, with nearly a century of prohibition (of one drug or another), under our belts we can safely say that criminalizing drug use doesn’t work and in practice, ensnares more minorities (who have similar drug use rates as whites).

By making the “problem” of drug use a health issue, then treatment is much more probable as the stigma of being found to be engaging in criminal behavior can be a deterrent to treatment.

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You are both operating under the misguided assumption that something should work.

Read it and weep?

Who wouldn’t want lower interest rates on credit cards.

But that one issue does not negate the other blaring issues that would prevent Republicans or conservatives in general from voting for Bernie.

One issue out of 100 that people would vote for is not a game changer so I am not sure what there is to “weep” about.

essentialsaltes said:

By definition, atheists don't believe in any gods. That's about all you can tell about us. We have a wide range of political and social beliefs.

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If "man(or beast) is the measure of all things." There is no Ultimate structure to Reality. It follows, then that there is no soul, and/or that the vector the person has chosen, will lead to annihilation or nirvana "liberation".

Atheism amounts to an Active, and not passive disbelief in God(s) as in Agnosticism. If there is no God(s) as asserted in Buddhism, but deities and impermanence; then there is no soul, and the self is illusory.

RichardY said:

If "man(or beast) is the measure of all things." There is no Ultimate structure to Reality. It follows, then that there is no soul, and/or that the vector the person has chosen, will lead to annihilation or nirvana "liberation".

Atheism amounts to an Active, and not passive disbelief in God(s) as in Agnosticism. If there is no God(s) as asserted in Buddhism, but deities and impermanence; then there is no soul, and the self is illusory.

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Whatever would us atheists do without theists to explain our beliefs for us.

Nithavela said:

You are both operating under the misguided assumption that something should work.

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Well, I read a book once where things all worked out beautifully. I don't recall its title, but its opening line was "Once upon a time".

Desk trauma said:

Whatever would us atheists do without theists to explain our beliefs for us.

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Well if you want to not believe in God, that would be very unwise, biblically speaking.

RichardY said:

Well if you want to not believe in God, that would be very unwise, biblically speaking.

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I’m not convinced that god/s exist, my wants are irrelevant.

Being a Christian rather than a Muslim is very unwise according to the Koran. I imagine that carries as much weight with you as the biblical dictates do with me.

RichardY said:

Well if you want to not believe in God, that would be very unwise, biblically speaking.

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It is unfortunate (personal view) that forum rules seemingly prohibit me from writing what the reverse would appear like. Perhaps that simple observation will be sufficient to remind you that their are multiple perspectives on most matters. For example, a well intentioned concern for the spiritual welfare of another can be perceived as thinly disguised threat delivered with a hint of schadenfreude.

Just thinking out loud.

Desk trauma said:

I’m not convinced that god/s exist, my wants are irrelevant.

Being a Christian rather than a Muslim is very unwise according to the Koran. I imagine that carries as much weight with you as the biblical dictates do with me.

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It doesn't matter to me if you're convinced or not. If your wants are irrelevant, so be it.

They're not dictates. Commandments in the Old testament. Dictates in the Quran, than yes.

Ophiolite said:

It is unfortunate (personal view) that forum rules seemingly prohibit me from writing what the reverse would appear like. Perhaps that simple observation will be sufficient to remind you that their are multiple perspectives on most matters. For example, a well intentioned concern for the spiritual welfare of another can be perceived as thinly disguised threat delivered with a hint of schadenfreude.

Just thinking out loud.

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No, they're are not multiple perspectives on matters. That was demonstrated by the show trial of Jesus Christ. Perspectivism is total garbage from Nietzsche.

I'm primarily concerned for my own spiritual well being and salvation, although the rest is knowledge and a mild form of entertainment (As Aristotle said about entertaining ideas without succumbing).

Being a stranger why invest or not invest, ego on an Internet forum?

RichardY said:

No, they're are not multiple perspectives on matters.

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That's just silly. Some perspectives may invalid, yet they still exist.

RichardY said:

That was demonstrated by the show trial of Jesus Christ.

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While I do not recognise, with certainty, the historical reality of this event, as reported it contains multiple perspectives as to its purpose and significance.

RichardY said:

Perspectivism is total garbage from Nietzsche.

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Nietzsche's perspectivism is not what I referred to. I was taking the Buddhist view.

RichardY said:

I'm primarily concerned for my own spiritual well being and salvation, although the rest is knowledge and a mild form of entertainment (As Aristotle said about entertaining ideas without succumbing).

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An interesting position. My own Christian education suggested we should seek to show equal concern for others. Naturally most of us miss the ideal, but its refreshing to see you being so accepting of failure.

RichardY said:

Being a stranger why invest or not invest, ego on an Internet forum?

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I don't know. Why do you do it?

@Ophiolite
You have perception, which is limited. But to make personal perspective truth, does not add up to the infinite cognition of God.

Not if they are not in search of salvation for themselves or others. I am. You say you had a Christian education, but you reject Christ and God, through your agnosticism.

Matthew 15 KJV

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.


Trying to adjust my filter closer to God. Not being in a Christian community.

RichardY said:

@Ophiolite
You have perception, which is limited..

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I never suggested otherwise. I simply noted that my perspective is different from your perspective , a point you denied, yet now appear to be accepting, since perspectives arise from perceptions. I suggest - and would be astounded if I was mistaken - that your perception is also limited. Hey! We're humans - different perceptions are in the rule book and so different perspectives abound.

From my perspective that diversity of perceptions is neatly handled by the application of the scientific method, which minimises or eliminates the possibility of confusion, incoherence or ambiguity.

Since you now appear to be agreeing with my original point - i.e.different perspectives exist - I have nothing further to add.

Ophiolite said:

For example, a well intentioned concern for the spiritual welfare of another can be perceived as thinly disguised threat delivered with a hint of schadenfreude.

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That's often the impression I get from fellow Christians who speak in the way that the person you were addressing has in this thread. And I find it shameful, really. The Holy Spirit did not have to subtly threaten or insult me to convince me to believe in Jesus Christ, and I imagine my using those same tactics will not work on any atheists in this community, either.

SarahsKnight said:

That's often the impression I get from fellow Christians who speak in the way that the person you were addressing has in this thread. And I find it shameful, really. The Holy Spirit did not have to subtly threaten or insult me to convince me to believe in Jesus Christ, and I imagine my using those same tactics will not work on any atheists in this community, either.

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Thank you for those comments. I was raised as a Christian and greatly value the ethical qualities that underpin the religion (though I set the belief system aside long ago). It pains me to see actions that seem to ignore or even contradict those qualities. I do not know if such was the case in this instance, but I think - as you rightly observe - that even the appearance of such can be damaging, in several ways. Post such as yours and those of many other Christian members on this forum generate respect and that's always a good starting point.

@Ophiolite

I never denied perspectives are different, I merely said perception is limited, and does not add up to truth. i.e Perspectivism ala Nietzsche is "Garbage." It makes no difference whose shade of perspective it is. Which is why, Nietzsche said "there is no Truth".

I do not agree with any of your posts. You can not logically claim to have no knowledge of Jesus Christ & God(be an agnostic) and claim to have had a Christian education. It is not logical. It amounts to a rejection of logos.

Thank you for conceding the final say.

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To have stated Christians defend Atheists, passive aggressively, i.e the unforgivable sin. Absent of any dogma or doctrine. How does that stand?

Is not usury a sin in Christianity?

So the question is not so much of a plan(which is ridiculous) to cap rates at 15% of fiat currency, but that it should not occur in the first place.

RichardY said:

@Ophiolite
I never denied perspectives are different,

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Yes, you did, here:

RichardY said:

No, they're are not multiple perspectives on matters.

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RichardY said:

I merely said perception is limited, and does not add up to truth. i.e Perspectivism ala Nietzsche is "Garbage."

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I never suggested otherwise and I did not reference Nietzsche's perspectivism. You seem proficient at placing words in my mouth, or - at the least - attacking a strawman.

RichardY said:

I do not agree with any of your posts. You can not logically claim to have no knowledge of Jesus Christ & God(be an agnostic) and claim to have had a Christian education. It is not logical. It amounts to a rejection of logos.

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Agnosticism references my open minded position upon the existence or non-existence of a God, or gods. In the matter of the Christian God I am an atheist.

I can have an in depth knowledge of Steady State Theory, yet reject it completely in favour of the Big Bang. In the same way I can have a knowledge of the Scripture and the beliefs of Christians without accepting the claims made by them. There is nothing illogical about that.

RichardY said:

Thank you for conceding the final say.

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I conceded it on the basis that you would not then deny statements you had already made, nor repeat assertions that implied I had made statements that I hadn't. If you continue such behaviour I shall, naturally, correct you.

RichardY said:

To have stated Christians defend Atheists, passive aggressively, i.e the unforgivable sin. Absent of any dogma or doctrine. How does that stand?

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The absence of coherent grammar renders this passage almost unintelligible. Feel free to restate it with clarity.
For the record, I noted that some Christians attack (not defend) atheists passively-aggressively, by expressing an insincere concern for their souls. I suggested that one of your statements had that appearance. I hoped I was simply misreading it.

Perspectivism is garbage. Whether it's a Buddhist flavour, a Jainism flavour. So what.

Perspective is NOT Truth. Perspectives are different. There are not multiple perspectives on matters. I do not subscribe to a democracy, on truth.

Ophiolite said:

Since you now appear to be agreeing with my original point - i.e.different perspectives exist - I have nothing further to add.

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Seems. Appearance. Subjectivism.

No Logic.