Majority of Americans say heartbeat abortion bans are not too restrictive

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Majority of Americans say heartbeat abortion bans are not too restrictive

May 17, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — A recent national poll shows a majority of Americans hold that banning abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy is not “too restrictive” and young people are more likely than their elders to judge laws banning abortion after six weeks as “too lenient.”

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Women and men united in support of greater restrictions on abortion
The poll shows that women (53 percent) and men (57 percent) share approximately the same level of concern about lax abortion laws, debunking hyperbolic claims by supporters of the multi-billion-dollar abortion industry.

Several prominent Democrat politicians seeking their party’s nomination for the 2020 presidential election against pro-life President Donald Trump, such as New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, have decried the legislation, asserting that heartbeat bills are an assault on women and that “abortion is healthcare.”

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It is funny how some will go to extreme lengths to demand their 'rights' yet see no reason to act responsibly with sex in the first place.
The going philosophy is “people are going to do it anyway so...”

But your point is valid. We expect adults to take responsibility for their actions. And if youngsters make adult decisions they are expected to take adult responsibilities. Just not in the lexicon these days.
 
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I have found that this polling statistic remains consistent over time and across party lines:

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Less than half of Americans support abortions conducted in the first or the third trimester when the woman doesn't want the child "for any reason," although there is a sizable falloff in support for this from the first trimester (45%) to the third (20%). (Trimesters Still Key to U.S. Abortion Views. Gallup)

I did a little research on the development of the fetus, after 11 weeks every organ that identifies us as human is developed. After the partial birth abortion bill I was strictly prolife believing compromise would never be possible. Over time I came to realize that the only viable compromise would be abortion on demand in the first trimester. I don't like it and it's not what I think should happen but I think it's a viable consensus that could conceivably bring some balance to the subject.

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I have found that this polling statistic remains consistent over time and across party lines:

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Less than half of Americans support abortions conducted in the first or the third trimester when the woman doesn't want the child "for any reason," although there is a sizable falloff in support for this from the first trimester (45%) to the third (20%). (Trimesters Still Key to U.S. Abortion Views. Gallup)

I did a little research on the development of the fetus, after 11 weeks every organ that identifies us as human is developed. After the partial birth abortion bill I was strictly prolife believing compromise would never be possible. Over time I came to realize that the only viable compromise would be abortion on demand in the first trimester. I don't like it and it's not what I think should happen but I think it's a viable consensus that could conceivably bring some balance to the subject.

Grace and peace,
Mark
I still wonder how many people who reply understand the fact human life begins at conception. I’m sure many do but rely on some subjective philosophy which deems “it’s human life but not a human being or ‘person’”

I’ve heard the “it’s just a bunch of cells” assertion many times. To which you have to ask what kind of “cells” are these? Human of course. Then the reply is usually “my finger nail has human cells.” And the sophistry continues from there.
 
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I still wonder how many people who reply understand the fact human life begins at conception. I’m sure many do but rely on some subjective philosophy which deems “it’s human life but not a human being or ‘person’”

I’ve heard the “it’s just a bunch of cells” assertion many times. To which you have to ask what kind of “cells” are these? Human of course. Then the reply is usually “my finger nail has human cells.” And the sophistry continues from there.
When the egg is fertilized it begins to divide, first it's two, then four, then it's eight. Those cells are not fingernails, those are stem cells with every genetic code for everything in the human body. I remember Clinton early in the campaign made this capricious statement, 'abortion is a health care issue, health care is an American issue, opposing abortion is unamerican'. I don't remember exactly how she said it but it was a gross over simplification of the issue. Women should have total autonomy over what happens to their bodies but where there is an unborn fetus/baby, this is fundamentally different then whether or not you donate an organ. The issue has gotten polarized, which is why I have avoided it like the plague. With Roe v. Wade likely to be revisited I felt it was time to take another look at it. I think conservative states are going too far myself, not that I really disagree in principle. They had better chose their test case wisely or the left will choose for them and conservatives don't want that.
 
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I still wonder how many people who reply understand the fact human life begins at conception. I’m sure many do but rely on some subjective philosophy which deems “it’s human life but not a human being or ‘person’”
How many would kick up a storm if they were told they were going to be exterminated without having any say in the matter. It is ok to make that determination for others, but not have it placed on self. So much for loving neighbour as self. Me me me
 
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It is funny how some will go to extreme lengths to demand their 'rights' yet see no reason to act responsibly with sex in the first place.
Agreed. If someone wants the "right" to do whatever they choose with their own body, they should show they are responsible enough to handle the consequences for the decisions they make with their own body even if their actions stop their own heartbeat. But a woman doesn't have the right to stop the heartbeat of another because of their decisions. It is called being responsible and accountable for your actions.
 
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It is funny how some will go to extreme lengths to demand their 'rights' yet see no reason to act responsibly with sex in the first place.

It is not a rape victim's fault if she gets pregnant. Rape is being forced to have sex after she tells him no. Also, too many states (including Alabama) do not have strict sex education laws. It is not the girl's fault if she has no idea contraceptives are necessary at her age.
 
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They had better chose their test case wisely or the left will choose for them and conservatives don't want that.
No truer words.

@Davidnic opined much on the Alabama law which was an amendment to their Constitution. Perhaps he can lay down here what he posted on another thread. The theme was the Alabama law focuses on the personhood of the fetus as opposed to focusing on a specific procedure.
 
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It is not a rape victim's fault if she gets pregnant. Rape is being forced to have sex after she tells him no.
I agree that is a difficult situation. But if it wasn't for raping and pillaging throughout the ages most villages in the world would have inbred themselves out of existence. Nature has a plan even if it is not exactly desirable. It is the reason why back in the middle ages the child always had the mother's last name. Might be a good idea still today.
 
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How many would kick up a storm if they were told they were going to be exterminated without having any say in the matter. It is ok to make that determination for others, but not have it placed on self. So much for loving neighbour as self. Me me me
You mean making one human being judge, jury and executioner over another? Yes where’s the social justice in that?
 
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It is not a rape victim's fault if she gets pregnant.
Nobody here is talking about rape victims. Only those women who find themselves pregnant as a result of consensual sex.
 
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I agree that is a difficult situation. But if it wasn't for raping and pillaging throughout the ages most villages in the world would have inbred themselves out of existence. Nature has a plan even if it is not exactly desirable. It is the reason why back in the middle ages the child always had the mother's last name. Might be a good idea still today.
I don't think I would have gone there.
 
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Nobody here is talking about rape victims. Only those women who find themselves pregnant as a result of consensual sex.
There has always been an exemption for medical issues and usually one for rape or incest. Whether or not conservative states forget the importance of that, rest assured the courts won't.
 
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