Women Preachers...The truth!

Servant of Yeshua said:

We are free from damnation in Hell. I would say that is pretty amazing to know that Jesus has paid your debt and that you will be reconciled to God and not perish. But, on Earth, Yes you are correct in that we may sin less, but we are not sinless on Earth.

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Men who continue to commit sin are not free.
Sinners will see the damnation in hell you refer to.

Thank God for the way to live without sin!

timewerx said:

The most Gender Equal nation in the world is also one of the best countries to live in - eliminated poverty, extremely low crime rate, and eliminated prostitution! See Iceland!

The most Patriarchal countries on the other hand are the worst in everything. Rampant poverty, rampant corruption, dysfunctional government, very high crime rates, high rates of failed justice, high cases of human rights abuse... Note, not all of these countries are Islamic, many are Orthodox Christians.

Coincidence?

Is this proof that man in charge is better?

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This is indeed the case. I am finding faith very hard at the moment because it prevents me being a decent human being.

myst33 said:

Yes, the current relatively new political system in some countries allows that.

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They are not new systems at all. If it was not for the role played by women in both world wars the allied nations would not have won.

Phil W said:

It would be but we have the word of God to guide us.
It states that women are not to usurp authority over a man BECAUSE woman sinned first.

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That doesn't make sense and is not the reason.
Eve was deceived; Adam was wilfully disobedient. He heard God's command for himself, before Eve was created, and disobeyed. Why does that make man a good person to be in authority? Who wants a leaders/pastor who KNOWS what God's will is and ignores it?

And "usurp" means to snatch by force. Authority is given, it cannot be snatched.

Strong in Him said:

Who wants a leaders/pastor who KNOWS what God's will is and ignores it?

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That is why the biblical way is a husband and wife team.

"There are truths," Dr. Bushnell rightly says, "that give light upon problems that women alone are called upon to solve," and "such truths man is not equipped to understand, much less to set forth to the understanding of women." Canon Payne Smith says of the Bible, "A bad translation of this Book exercises a depressing influence upon a nation's civilization; a good translation is one of the great levers in a nation's rise." This is especially so in the effect of a " bad translation'' connected with the status of women in general. For, as Dr. Bushnell observes, the reason why ''so large a proportion of the women of Christendom are given over to fashion and folly" is that they have never been "given a proper and dignified work in the advancement of God's kingdom...." And this because three passages in the epistles of Paul have been rendered into English in such a way that they have entirely misinterpreted the teaching of the Apostle, and by so doing have shut out women from "proper and dignified work" in the church of God."

Jessie Penn-Lewis in The Magna Carta of Woman

Phil W said:

If she is "right with the Lord", why would she balk at 2 Tin 2:12?

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Who is she? And I don't know, why would she balk?

Phil W said:

LOL .
Still persecuting the church...funny.

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Lol well that's what it seems like to me when I read it.....

Sparagmos said:

Scandinavia.

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Scandinavia Countries: Feature some of the most generous welfare states in the world and are more economically egalitarian than the rest of the wealthy world.

Denmark

The rapes rate has increased by 232% since the Liberals came to power in 2015.

From NY POST article: “Sorry Liberals, Scandinavia countries are not utopia.” … by Kyle Smith

[It’s also notable for having the highest taxes on Earth, plus a comfy social safety net: Child care is mostly free, as is public school and even private school, and you can stay on unemployment benefits for a long time. The combination of massive taxes and benefits for the unsuccessful means top and bottom get shaved off: Pretty much everyone is proudly middle class.

In addition to paying enormous taxes — the total bill is 58 percent to 72 percent of income — Danes have to pay more for just about everything. Books are a luxury item. Their equivalent of the George Washington Bridge costs $45 to cross. Health care is free — which means you pay in time instead of money. Services are distributed only after endless stays in waiting rooms.

Denmark suffers from high rates of alcoholism. In its use of antidepressants it ranks fourth in the world. (Its fellow Nordics the Icelanders are in front by a wide margin.) Some 5 percent of Danish men have had sex with an animal.

Let’s look a little closer, suggests Michael Booth, a Brit who has lived in Denmark for many years, in his new book, “The Almost Nearly Perfect People: Behind the Myth of the Scandinavian Utopia” (Picador).

Those sky-high happiness surveys, it turns out, are mostly bunk.

The suicide rate is 50 percent higher than in the US and more than double the UK rate.]


Finland #11
Even though some will negate it, Finland’s rape statistics increased since a lot of male migrants crossed their borders.

France #10 – through this in to emphasize what Islamic infiltration has done to these countries.
Alarmingly, France is not a safe destination for females! There has been a sharp increase in sexual assaults in 2017, and no recent news of its resolving, or forming any special units.


Sweden #1 in rapes
Finally, here’s the most talked about a country from our list of 12 countries with highest rape crime statistics in 2018. While some may protest about it, the numbers don’t lie. There has been an increase in rape cases in 2017, and no new laws or organizations have been formed to prevent it, nor are there any reports on lower rape rates. Nothing says the trend won’t continue in 2018, too.

Sweden gets a 75 for economic freedom


HAPPY … Taxed up yin yang … high in rapes, suicide, alcoholism … Utopia is an illusion propagated by the LEFT.

I'll stay here _ thank you very much!

I still dont know what reason why Paul would teach this subject? It's like men who come home from a long hard day of work and expect supper to be on the stove when he walks into the kitchen. Without ever realizing his wife had a long hard day too taking care of the kids, cleaning the house, organizing mail and doing the laundry to wash his filthy draws before she scratch that off her to- do list. LoL. Men will never change I guess. Expecting a woman to do everything for him but never watching a game of football with his friends etc. Paul only said women can't preach because they are women, not because they are ministers and preachers. He just said those things cause she is a woman, not because she is preaching...it seems cliche to me a woman isn't allowed to do anything but cook on a hot stove with boiling water. Well men can cook too, so why not get up and cook already if you are so man enough to yell at your woman " where the food at!?!!!!!!? Why you ain't cook no food woman!!!!!?? Whatcha been doing all day?!!!! I still think Paul was persecuting the church a bit though..ha

timewerx said:

Iceland, #1 in gender equality:

Why violent crime is so rare in Iceland


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Low crime is due to a high percentage of gun ownership, (unlike the philosophy that liberals hold). Almost every household owns a gun and so that is why no one messes with anyone. As mentioned it's all middle class so no one feels deprived. I am certain this country has less of an influx of foreigners, since it is an island, a cold island and so traditional values remain - a good work ethic especially.

If God can create miracles, he can also create and empower a woman to preach...do not limit God and his work...cause everything belongs to him and for everything to belong to us we must belong to him also...stop putting God in some box cause the bible says he does what he will..and will do what he will and whatever pleases him....

Ronald said:

Scandinavia Countries: Feature some of the most generous welfare states in the world and are more economically egalitarian than the rest of the wealthy world.

Denmark

The rapes rate has increased by 232% since the Liberals came to power in 2015.

From NY POST article: “Sorry Liberals, Scandinavia countries are not utopia.” … by Kyle Smith

[It’s also notable for having the highest taxes on Earth, plus a comfy social safety net: Child care is mostly free, as is public school and even private school, and you can stay on unemployment benefits for a long time. The combination of massive taxes and benefits for the unsuccessful means top and bottom get shaved off: Pretty much everyone is proudly middle class.

In addition to paying enormous taxes — the total bill is 58 percent to 72 percent of income — Danes have to pay more for just about everything. Books are a luxury item. Their equivalent of the George Washington Bridge costs $45 to cross. Health care is free — which means you pay in time instead of money. Services are distributed only after endless stays in waiting rooms.

Denmark suffers from high rates of alcoholism. In its use of antidepressants it ranks fourth in the world. (Its fellow Nordics the Icelanders are in front by a wide margin.) Some 5 percent of Danish men have had sex with an animal.

Let’s look a little closer, suggests Michael Booth, a Brit who has lived in Denmark for many years, in his new book, “The Almost Nearly Perfect People: Behind the Myth of the Scandinavian Utopia” (Picador).

Those sky-high happiness surveys, it turns out, are mostly bunk.

The suicide rate is 50 percent higher than in the US and more than double the UK rate.]


Finland #11
Even though some will negate it, Finland’s rape statistics increased since a lot of male migrants crossed their borders.

France #10 – through this in to emphasize what Islamic infiltration has done to these countries.
Alarmingly, France is not a safe destination for females! There has been a sharp increase in sexual assaults in 2017, and no recent news of its resolving, or forming any special units.


Sweden #1 in rapes
Finally, here’s the most talked about a country from our list of 12 countries with highest rape crime statistics in 2018. While some may protest about it, the numbers don’t lie. There has been an increase in rape cases in 2017, and no new laws or organizations have been formed to prevent it, nor are there any reports on lower rape rates. Nothing says the trend won’t continue in 2018, too.

Sweden gets a 75 for economic freedom


HAPPY … Taxed up yin yang … high in rapes, suicide, alcoholism … Utopia is an illusion propagated by the LEFT.

I'll stay here _ thank you very much!

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Denmark, Sweden and Finland all are at the top of quality of life rankings. They blow the U.S. out of the water on pretty much all measures. Seriously, sex with animals? Where do you get this stuff? Oh, the NY Post. Lol.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes

Strong in Him said:

That doesn't make sense and is not the reason.

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That is the reason, and was written by Paul. (1 Tim 2:14)

Eve was deceived; Adam was wilfully disobedient. He heard God's command for himself, before Eve was created, and disobeyed. Why does that make man a good person to be in authority? Who wants a leaders/pastor who KNOWS what God's will is and ignores it?

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Because, as Paul wrote, the woman "was in the transgression".

And "usurp" means to snatch by force. Authority is given, it cannot be snatched.

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Isn't that what women are doing now in order to have headship over men?
Men (and women) of God will not subvert the order of things.

What next?
Adultery or theft being acceptable in "church"?
Idol worship?
Immodest clothing?
Stretching the truth?
Every block removed from the wall of the temple that God has built weakens it.

bmjackson said:

That is why the biblical way is a husband and wife team.

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Scripture, please.
There is an order to the hierarchy.

Jen35 said:

Who is she? And I don't know, why would she balk?

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"She" is the subject of this thread...women who want to overturn what scripture says in order to achieve headship of....fill in the blank.
Why?
Power.

Ok I'll temporarily jump back in to answer this:

Jen35 said:

If God can create miracles, he can also create and empower a woman to preach...do not limit God and his work...cause everything belongs to him and for everything to belong to us we must belong to him also...stop putting God in some box cause the bible says he does what he will..and will do what he will and whatever pleases him....

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BE INCREDIBLY CAREFUL SIR. God will NEVER EVER contradict His word. If He says in 1st Timothy 2:12 what women should do. He won't contradict that.

Of course there are exceptions, like if men are not doing their job, just like a few times in Israel and women temporarily had to come into power due to men being sinners and not doing their God give requirement.

And he will use female pastors because God always uses everything for good, no matter what.

But the exception never overrides the rule. Just as Romans says, do we go against God's wishes because He makes all things good? Of course not. That would be an abomination in my opinion.

Now, i know you aren't purposefully trying to twist the Word, but please just be careful. I feel like your throwing the entire Law out of the bible because of what scripture says about God's will.

Quick tip, if you can view women being submissive to their husbands, and leading in areas that don't override men's leadership, as a beautiful thing because of design. It will help. Don't view it as a negative thing, view it as a positive thing. This is how I approach anything I'm struggling with in the bible, and it helps a LOT to see the positive sides of why God created things the way they are.

Jen35 said:

Lol well that's what it seems like to me when I read it.....

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I'm sorry you feel that way about an apostle of Jesus Christ.