Was Jesus a Young Earth Creationist?

cloudyday2 said:

Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?

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To be all knowing is essential to being God. Many go by the name of Christian but are devoid of His Spirit and end up denying many parts of His Word...

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(2Ti 3:16)

Yes, He was. As Jesus said in Mark 10:6-8, "But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh."

Jesus didn't say that God created lower primeval slimy organisms and plants, animals and dinosaurs over a period of billions of years. He said God the Father created us male and female. He also mentions Abel as being real in Matthew 23:35, as part of His denunciation of the Pharisees' hypocrisy and murderous antics against true men of the Lord.

cloudyday2 said:

Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?

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Jesus was never mistaken about anything.

It would be very strange indeed if anyone divine even COULD be wrong about anything.

That would be a very very poor divinity. (like most of the false gods?)

Hi cloudyday,

You do realize that you're just making up a situation. I don't think that Jesus was mistaken about anything and I believe that he knew the exact age of this created realm in which we live. For me, the situation is that people such as yourself are mistaken. What many Christians believe, and what is the truth of things, isn't always in agreement. Just because someone believes something to be true, doesn't, in fact, make that thing true.

You are correct that many 'christians' believe a lot of things about what the Scriptures tell us. Just because someone believes something to be true, doesn't, in fact, make that something true.

What I believe is that this entire realm in which we live; that includes all the stars and other physical bodies that are found in our universe, and of course, the earth, is only about 6,000 years old. I base that on Adam being created on the 6th day of God's work in creating this realm and then the genealogical outline from Adam to Noah and then Noah to Abraham and the rest of the timeline found in the Scriptures.

Now, is what I believe the truth? Well, I obviously believe that it is, but the peoples of the world won't know until we stand before our God and Creator. The Revelation describes that God is going to roll it all up just as He rolled it all out.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

I don't think we can answer the OP question. I do think we can refer to literary figures and events as if historical even though we know they are not.

I am moved by the sanctity of Bishop Myriel and his encouragement to Jean Valjean.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Jesus was never mistaken about anything.

It would be very strange indeed if anyone divine even COULD be wrong about anything.

That would be a very very poor divinity. (like most of the false gods?)

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So for you omniscience is a requirement of divinity?

What about Matthew 24-36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

QUOTE="miamited, post: 73956600, member: 270136"]Hi cloudyday,

You do realize that you're just making up a situation. I don't think that Jesus was mistaken about anything and I believe that he knew the exact age of this created realm in which we live. For me, the situation is that people such as yourself are mistaken. What many Christians believe, and what is the truth of things, isn't always in agreement. Just because someone believes something to be true, doesn't, in fact, make that thing true.

You are correct that many 'christians' believe a lot of things about what the Scriptures tell us. Just because someone believes something to be true, doesn't, in fact, make that something true.

What I believe is that this entire realm in which we live; that includes all the stars and other physical bodies that are found in our universe, and of course, the earth, is only about 6,000 years old. I base that on Adam being created on the 6th day of God's work in creating this realm and then the genealogical outline from Adam to Noah and then Noah to Abraham and the rest of the timeline found in the Scriptures.

Now, is what I believe the truth? Well, I obviously believe that it is, but the peoples of the world won't know until we stand before our God and Creator. The Revelation describes that God is going to roll it all up just as He rolled it all out.

God bless,
In Christ, ted[/QUOTE

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Thinking.....

When God Creates the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH,

are we going to have to WAIT A BILLION YEARS !?!? (I think not)

i.e. no reason to think it would take Him that long ......

no reason to think He didn't or couldn't create everything in an instant ! ! !

Akita Suggagaki said:

So for you omniscience is a requirement of divinity?

What about Matthew 24-36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."

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I find my own feelings very mixed on the internet to reply to some groups of people.
(it is not "for me" in any case. Whatever God Says is True, no exceptions)

Every Word of God is TRUTH, perfect TRUTH, with no defect at all.

As God says, anyone denying His Word will suffer for it, and we cannot blame a woman or a snake or the devil for our unbelief - we each, everyone must account for each and all of our words and deeds, as written throughout all Scripture.

crossnote said:

To be all knowing is essential to being God. Many go by the name of Christian but are devoid of His Spirit and end up denying many parts of His Word...

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(2Ti 3:16)

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You left out

Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

That would include the creation story of a literal seven days, the moral law, the dietary laws, the civil laws and the sanctuary message of the Old Testament as GOD spoke them.

cloudyday2 said:

Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?

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I honestly don't think we can ascertain what exactly Jesus professed about Genesis. Not to mention, it seems to me that whether or not he was talking about a literal garden and creation account or an allegorical one as far as his mission to humanity etc. the results would be the same.

Original Happy Camper said:

You left out

Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

That would include the creation story of a literal seven days, the moral law, the dietary laws, the civil laws and the sanctuary message of the Old Testament as GOD spoke them.

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It's one thing to place God"s Word in it's proper setting (e.g. Dietary laws given to the Israelites under the Mosaic Covenant) and another to deny God's Word outright. I was referring to the latter.

cloudyday2 said:

That is true. I guess I am arguing for the possibility that Jesus was human in every sense - including being mistaken at times. How can a human be God? A human with omniscience and omnipotence is no longer human, but I think a human CAN become God by aligning his/her will to God's will. In Genesis, man is created in God's image. Maybe that means man was created with his will perfectly aligned to God's will. When man took the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, it symbolized man's decision to follow his own will.

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Well here a few things you should know.

1) Kenosis (which refers to Jesus emptying himself of many his divine attributes for his time on Earth, to be "true man", tempted as we are etc.)


2) There are heresies that describe what you talk about and they are very common I think in what people often think about. "God in a man suit" is how a Christian Philosopher friend of mind used to described that notion, but Apollinarism is the proper name.

Apollinarism - Wikipedia


Ultimately, Eastern Christians like myself would view trying to fully understand this as Holy Mystery that is beyond our abilities.

Jesus was a person of Jewish background. And Genesis set the creation myth boundaries for the Jewish people back than. That's what they operated from.

Pavel Mosko said:

Ultimately, Eastern Christians like myself would view trying to fully understand this as Holy Mystery that is beyond our abilities.

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But than there are those who are drawn to exploring those Holy Mysteries and often do find a deeper knowing in the process.

cloudyday2 said:

Jesus mentions Noah and the Flood, so Jesus probably believed all the stories in Genesis to be historical.

Many Christians today do NOT believe in a Global Flood and a Garden of Eden, so I wonder how they rationalize their belief that Jesus was divine with the possibility that Jesus was mistaken about the historicity of Genesis?

Is it o.k. for a divine figure to be wrong about those things?

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Jesus undoubtedly was a young-earth creationist, we are talking about the incarnate God who was there at creation, during the flood, and in the garden of Eden. He didn't just believe them, he was there in those accounts.

Modern, American/Western Christianity have and will humanize Jesus, apply non-literal interpretations to Scripture, and compromise doctrine.

dlamberth said:

But than there are those who are drawn to exploring those Holy Mysteries and often do find a deeper knowing in the process.

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I do dabble in that at times. I am Eastern in theology, but Western in the culture I was raised in.

I however see fallout of that though. Such issues like the nature of Free Will vs. God's Sovereignty, or even the Faith vs. Works in the West get very tired when people also tend to argue for a very tight logic on the various subjects (which deal with metaphysical things etc.). So the Eastern viewpoint is more a caution to "not put God in a box" etc. (Some people however can use it to shut down good discussion etc. which I don't approve of).